Talk:Attempts to arrest Ronald dela Rosa

We have arrest of Apollo Quiboloy, how should we name an article about an attempted arrest?

Because that is what this article ultimately is about. Howard the Duck (talk) 17:57, 13 May 2026 (UTC)

Maybe Attempts to arrest Ronald dela Rosa? Since there are already two attempts now, first on Monday and second yesterday. Or perhaps ICC arrest warrant for Ronald dela Rosa? Aligning the title to ICC arrest warrants for Russian leaders. HueMan1 (talk) 23:07, 13 May 2026 (UTC)

I think the Russian leaders article, and ICC arrest warrants for Israeli leaders, are vnamed that way is because the Russians and Israelis are not stupid to put themselves in the position to be arrested. We also have Category:Manhunts (which is what this is right now), and taking cue from Manhunt for Osama bin Laden, one option is Manhunt for Ronald dela Rosa. The thing with that is WP:RS does not mostly use the term "manhunt". I'd be fine with Attempts to arrest Ronald dela Rosa. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:20, 13 May 2026 (UTC)

I have initiated a WP:RM below to discuss the title formally. HueMan1 (talk) 23:24, 13 May 2026 (UTC)

At What point do you compare the 2026 Philippine Senate Riots to January 6th, 2021 attacks on US Capitol

We keep running into comparisons to that event with the Philippine Senate that comes off as insurrection like due to the abuse of power issues surrounding Alan Peter Cayetano.~2026-29689-67 (talk) 18:29, 17 May 2026 (UTC)

Requested move 13 May 2026

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Moved to Attempts to arrest Ronald dela Rosa per consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) {{GearsDatapacks|talk|contribs}} 07:07, 21 May 2026 (UTC)

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2026 Philippine Senate lockdown → ? – The lockdown and the subsequent shooting incident were partly caused by attempts to arrest Senator Ronald dela Rosa. My suggestions are Attempts to arrest Ronald dela Rosa, since there are already two attempts now, first on Monday (May 11) and second yesterday (May 13), and ICC arrest warrant for Ronald dela Rosa, focusing on the warrant of arrest instead and aligning the title to "ICC arrest warrants for Russian leaders". HueMan1 (talk) 23:14, 13 May 2026 (UTC)

Note: Tambayan Philippines, Tambayan Philippines/Philippine history task force, and WikiProject Politics/Philippine politics have been notified of this discussion. HueMan1 (talk) 23:14, 13 May 2026 (UTC)

• Move to Attempts to arrest Ronald dela Rosa; it exactly describes the event.

Ieditarticles (talk) 19:25, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

• Move to attempts to arrest Ronald dela Rosa; describes concretely what happened. Russian counterpart article is more theoretical (since no attempt has been made). Lockdown and gunshots stemmed directly from the attempt to serve the arrest warrant. If dela Rosa is indeed successfully arrested, move to arrest of Ronald dela Rosa. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:26, 13 May 2026 (UTC)
• Lean move to Attempts to arrest Ronald dela Rosa; describes the event but does the title even cover the shooting incident inside the Senate and the Senate going into lockdown? Wilson Palacpac III (talk) 23:46, 13 May 2026 (UTC)

  Well, we don't need to include every detail in the title, and there probably wouldn't have been a lockdown or shooting incident without the attempts to arrest Bato, so I'd say the proposed title suffices. HueMan1 (talk) 00:01, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

  Yes, because as stated above, Trillanes trolling dela Rosa, the lockdown, the shooting, Sharon Cuneta's exes shouting at each other, etc. won't happen if there was no attempt to arrest dela Rosa. (You can also argue that the Senate presidential election was connected to this but that maybe an event that is notable by itself whether or not someone was being arrested.) Howard the Duck (talk) 00:02, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

  Okay then,

  Move to Attempts to arrest Ronald dela Rosa: after seeing the defence of HTD and HueMan1, i fully support the move to the new title. Wilson Palacpac III (talk) 00:14, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

• Move to Attempted arrest of Ronald dela Rosa, or alternatively, NBI–Senate of the Philippines standoff; per the past cases of Arrest of Yoon Suk Yeol and the Arrest of Apollo Quiboloy. In the case of Yoon, the previous name before the move was Yoon Suk Yeol residence standoff, while the previous article name of Quiboloy's arrest was Kingdom of Jesus Christ compound standoff. A similar move could apply in this case as well. CastleFort1 (talk) 01:21, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

FWIW, I prefer "attempted arrest". I'd oppose "standoff", as we've moved past that not just on this article but on the others (Quiboloy, Yoon) as well. I also do not see "standoff" being used by WP:RS, with them using terms such as "lockdown" or "siege". Howard the Duck (talk) 01:30, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

2026 Senate of the Philippines Siege? Wilson Palacpac III (talk) 02:16, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

Let's keep ourselves together. All of these were caused by attempts (as of now just two, not just one, so naming it Attempted arrest of Ronald dela Rosa is slightly misleading) to arrest Bato, so the article's title should reflect that, not the other way around. And 2026 Senate of the Philippines Siege seems a little extreme and one-sided, given that the cause of the shooting is currently inconclusive. HueMan1 (talk) 02:37, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

Also per WP:COMMONNAME, many people and WP:RS have called it a siege? Wilson Palacpac III (talk) 04:11, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

All WP:RS describe this as the government attempting to arrest dela Rosa. Howard the Duck (talk) 07:16, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

with the statements of the big Jonvic, he said that they were there NOT to arrest Bato. Perhaps we could keep the current title? Wilson Palacpac III (talk) 02:12, 15 May 2026 (UTC)

They were not there to arrest Bato at that time, because, as per Jonvic, the Senate gave the Bato protection. Just a few hours before, the sergeant-at-arms said they'd be "arresting someone". Either way, someone was planning on arresting someone. Howard the Duck (talk) 22:33, 15 May 2026 (UTC)

• Concurring vote to Move to "Attempts to arrest Ronald dela Rosa" - For the same reasons laid out by Howard the Duck. - Chieharumachi (talk) 02:35, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
• Move to Attempts to arrest Ronald dela Rosa; concurring with other people. I think it's a more apt description of what went on. kulupu ko (talk) 20:15, 16 May 2026 (UTC)
• Move to attempts to arrest Ronald dela Rosa - I think it’d be better move here. Considering that this title describes attempts to arrest him. Hotrodguy84 (talk) 12:17, 17 May 2026 (UTC)
• Comment, it has not established who the unknown shooters are and the NBI/DOJ explicitly stated their response yesterday (April 13) is to secure the safety of the senators and not to arrest Dela Rosa. But also we also know dela Rosa is holing up in the Senate as part of a protective custody due to a possible arrest. So I'm inclined to support the current title for now.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 04:31, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
• Comment, according to recent sources, Dela Rosa has left the Senate. Wilson Palacpac III (talk) 04:35, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
• Admin comment I've just move protected the page as it shouldn't be moved whilst it's on the main page as per Wikipedia:MPNOREDIRECT. Any move can only be done by an admin for the time being. Schwede66 07:16, 16 May 2026 (UTC)
• Move to attempts to arrest Ronald dela Rosa. The lockdown occurred (per my understanding of the current text) because of the attempts to arrest dela Rosa. The ICC warrant title would be less useful, because the Senate lockdown, the ICC warrant against dela Rosa, and the 2026 President of the Senate of the Philippines election#Leadership coup are closely interlinked topics, but distinct. The lockdown is very likely a specific incident of democratic backsliding; the Senate leadership election that is currently labelled a coup in the Wikipedia entry may or may not be an incident of democratic backsliding (this will require WP:RS, i.e. political scientists to make expert judgments); and the ICC arrest warrant is part of global democracy. It makes sense thematically to keep these as three separate, though related, articles. The way that the Philippines political/judicial system, especially the judicial system, handles the lockdown and apparent leadership coup will be a sign of the extent to which democratic resilience is present in the Philippines political/judicial system. It will make sense to add these future WP:RS to the articles in complementary ways, rather than as a single merged article. Moreover, if dela Rosa is arrested and rendered to the ICC in The Hague, the Senate lockdown will be of only background relevance to the ICC court case. Boud (talk) 11:27, 16 May 2026 (UTC)

  @Boud, as per HueMan1, there were multiple attempts to arrest him, so plural "arrests" may be better. Howard the Duck (talk) 12:22, 16 May 2026 (UTC)

  Agreed that attempted arrests of Ronald dela Rosa would also be fine. Boud (talk) 13:28, 16 May 2026 (UTC)

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the proper Short description of this article

The current short description of this article is "2026 Event in the Philippine Senate" but i think that dosen't sum up or describe the things going on, its not just an event, it is literal disorder or "chaos". Wilson Palacpac III (talk) 00:35, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

On celebrity statements

Just wanted to clarify this part of the article:

Kim Chiu described the shooting as "unbelievable" and said, "this would not happen if the person claiming to be innocent would voluntarily surrender." Ogie Diaz also said, "How far will this go before the person who should surrender finally gives up?"

Would it be better to remove this and just stick to the news and statements from the involved state officials? Not sure if these celebrity statements are really necessary huhu Arandomoven (talk) 06:11, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

Clear-cut remove. Refer to WP:NOTEVERYTHING. TofuMuncher (talk) 06:37, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

we could make a Reactions section Wilson Palacpac III (talk) 08:41, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

@Wilson Palacpac III Good idea, I don't think the Events section should carry everything. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 (My "blotter") 08:47, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

When did this lockdown ended and start of the aftermath?

Did the lockdown ended at May 13 or May 14 because when did the aftermath began? I think the lockdown began and ended on May 13, do any y'all agree? Wilson Palacpac III (talk) 11:02, 15 May 2026 (UTC)

I think it May be referring more to the shooting more than the lockdown. The prior events which caused the intensification (May 11 to 12), the shooting (May 13), and the aftermath and what happened after (May 14 to now). 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 (My "blotter") 14:17, 15 May 2026 (UTC)

dela Rosa capitalization in mentions by last name

> ICC warrant against Dela Rosa

> an arrest warrant against dela Rosa.

The above 2 quotes from the article exist at the same time; what is the convention for capitalization here? Should dela be capitalized? Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people) does not seem to give much guidance on this. Hypnoticreflection (talk) 20:02, 16 May 2026 (UTC)

In the Manwal sa Masinop na Pasulat (the official Filipino language orthography), on section 14.2 paragraph 2, it says that:

Ang mga de, de la, dela, o de las sa apelyido ay isinusulat sa maliit na titik maliban kung nása unahan ng pangungusap.
[The de, de la, dela, or de las in surnames are written in lowercase except when starting a sentence.]

Juan dela Cruz; dela Cruz
Jose Corazon de Jesus; de Jesus
Dela Cruz ang isa sa pinakapopular na apelyido.

Since there is no official guidance in English regarding this usage, the Filipino orthography rules are sometimes being used and sometimes not. — 🍕 Yivan000 ^view_talk 07:31, 17 May 2026 (UTC)

I've done analysis on the dela Rosa RM; some WP:RS capitalize "dela" while others don't. There's a handful that spell it as "de la". Howard the Duck (talk) 10:30, 17 May 2026 (UTC)

"dela Rosa" seems to be more used in WP:RS than "Dela Rosa" even tho both of them are used constantly. Wilson Palacpac III (talk) 10:30, 17 May 2026 (UTC)

WikiProject importance levels

Can someone clarify whether the importance levels of this article to the WikiProjects this article is assigned to are accurate? The article on the Arrest of Rodrigo Duterte is Mid-importance to Tambayan PH and Low-importance to the other WikiProjects, but this article is High-importance to Tambayan PH and Mid-importance to the other WikiProjects? Ganmatthew (talk • contribs) 06:19, 28 May 2026 (UTC)

I don't edit on these importance levels, but I've rated these as low. Howard the Duck (talk) 13:58, 31 May 2026 (UTC)