Talk:Andrew Oliver (New Zealander)

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The result was: promoted by Darth Stabro talk 14:38, 12 August 2025 (UTC)

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• ... that a New Zealand dairy co-operative adjusted their collection schedule so that Andy Oliver could go to bed on time?

• Source: Stewart, Indira (2025-07-27), "Nobody loved tankers like Andy: global dairy giant farewells a special man", 1News, retrieved 2025-07-28

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Nancy Sullivan (activist)

Created by Cloventt (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.

David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 03:18, 28 July 2025 (UTC).

• I will review this. TompaDompa (talk) 12:15, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: - See below.
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - See below.
• Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article created on 28 July, and meets the length requirement. All sources are, as far as I can tell, reliable for the material they are cited for. There are no obvious neutrality issues. Earwig reveals no outright copyvio and I didn't spot any instances of unacceptably WP:Close paraphrasing. The hook is interesting. This is kind of silly, but the hook doesn't technically meet the sourcing requirement since the article doesn't currently state that Fonterra is a "New Zealand milk exporter" (just a "dairy co-operative", without the country or the export side of the business being mentioned) with a source cited no later than the end of the sentence per WP:DYKHFC. QPQ has been done. Some comments about the content:

• Andrew Francis Oliver – the middle name needs to be sourced somewhere in the article, and it currently isn't.
• Oliver was born with a swollen head and neck. – I don't find this in the cited source. Did you mean to cite a different source?
• As an infant, Oliver was diagnosed with Langer–Giedion syndrome. During his childhood he underwent multiple surgeries, and developed epilepsy. – ditto.
• By age 6, his mother had begun to doubt that his original diagnosis was correct. – ditto.
• After other diagnoses, he was eventually diagnosed – I don't find this in any of the three cited sources.
• Oliver was called "Andy" by those that knew him. – the cited source does use both "Andrew" and "Andy", but I think you meant to cite one of the sources that explicitly say that he was known as Andy.
• Oliver's condition caused him to like strong routines – the cited source does not attribute the preference for strong routines to the condition like this.
• Fonterra adjusted their collection routine to guarantee a pickup between 6pm and 8:30pm. – the cited source says "Ken is now guaranteed a pick up anywhere between 6:30pm and 8pm."
• He was buried in a coffin – this is definitely on the pedantic side, but "buried" technically means underground and the sources only say "laid to rest" (which doesn't rule out being entombed above ground).

Ping Cloventt. TompaDompa (talk) 13:22, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

• Thanks, very thorough feedback, all resolved now. David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 23:17, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
  • The article still says "buried" and Fonterra being a New Zealand company is still not mentioned, but the former is as I said rather pedantic (and as far as I can tell not universally accepted either?) and "a New Zealand dairy co-operative" could be taken to mean one operating in New Zealand but not necessarily from there (and this all taking place in New Zealand is amply covered in the article), so I'm not going to hold the nomination up on account of either of those things. If you want to tweak the hook to say "a dairy co-operative in New Zealand" instead that would also be fine by me. TompaDompa (talk) 23:55, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Title parenthetical

I think using the word disabled in the title is quite bizarre and basically just reduces him to his disability. I think the titles Andrew Oliver (New Zealander) or Andrew Francis Oliver would both be much better title options. Would anyone else like to give their input on the title, propose alternatives, etc? ArtemisiaGentileschiFan (talk) 00:22, 21 August 2025 (UTC)

Citation for "Andy"

I'm sure the cited source is legitimate, but Andrew being called Andy is absolutely ordinary and expected; explanations and evidence are not required for it. TooManyFingers (talk) 05:40, 21 August 2025 (UTC)

Some people don't use nicknames, I think it's fair to have a citation that his friends called him Andy instead of Andrew. ArtemisiaGentileschiFan (talk) 11:42, 22 August 2025 (UTC)

Absolutely it's fair, it's just silly, in the same way that it would be silly to cite the fact that I call my refrigerator a "fridge"; both facts are so common that they're not worth mentioning. TooManyFingers (talk) 04:55, 23 August 2025 (UTC)