Talk:2026 Michigan synagogue attack

ADL is not a reliable source of anything

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title Rokerekor (talk) 23:02, 12 March 2026 (UTC)Reply

I don't think it's being used anywhere as a source. Guettarda (talk) 23:38, 12 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
@Guettarda It's currently being used as a source of background. Its current inclusion hurts the credibility of the article altogether, as the ADL has a strong tendency to conflate antizionism with antisemitism.
Conceptually, I totally agree with the inclusion of context about levels of antisemitism, but I'm not sure about appropriate sources. Maybe hate crime reporting from the federal government is a more properly distilled representation? Maxtheax (talk) 13:46, 13 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
Per WP:ADLPIA, the ADL is considered GUNREL for topics related to the Israeli–Palestinian conflict and the intersection of that conflict with antisemitism, due to its role as an advocacy organization and prior issues with publishing misleading claims. Since this statistic was sourced solely to the ADL, I have removed it. If a high-quality independent secondary source reports the same statistic, it could be reintroduced. Paprikaiser (talk) 17:13, 14 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
@Paprikaiser, It only counts as anti-Zionism if the synagogue was Zionist? Israel in the name doesn't necessarily mean Zionist, e.g. 2024 Melbourne synagogue attack was a synagogue with "Israel" in the name and a non-Zionist congregation. But even if it's not a Zionist synagogue, there are other ways to describe it such as "revenge", "retaliation", "racism", or "collective punishment", so "Antisemitism" still needs attribution. Late Night Coffee (talk) 21:52, 21 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
I am not sure what point you are trying to make. The ADL was cited to support the claim that 2024 recorded the highest number of antisemitic incidents in the United States since data collection began in 1979. This is precisely the type of statistical claim for which the ADL is not considered a reliable source. On that basis, the material was removed. Paprikaiser (talk) 20:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
SPLC says in 2024 the fbi reported the highest ever recorded number of hate crimes on the basis of religion against Jewish people since record keeping began in 1991. Does that get us anywhere? Mikewem (talk) 21:03, 23 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
@Paprikaiser: do you have any stance on whether this is a sufficient second source to allow us to include the ADL stat along with this FBI stat? Does it matter that ADL goes back to 1979 and fbi only goes back to 1991? Are they close enough to the same start year without being precisely the same start year? Would we be allowed to say that the fbi and adl report the highest levels in 2024 since fbi recording began in 1991? Mikewem (talk) 21:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
The FBI and ADL datasets are not interchangeable. The FBI tracks criminal hate crimes, whereas the ADL's dataset includes a much, much broader range of non-criminal activity. Attempting to combine or compare these metrics to produce a unified trend would be misleading and technically inaccurate.
We need to be careful to avoid veering into WP:SYNTH territory. While the FBI may provide data on 2024 trends, those reports were (obviously) published well before this event. The SPLC article you cited was also published months before this, last year. Including "record-high" 2024 statistics in the Background section implicitly suggests a causal link between them and Ghazali's specific actions. In the absence of a high-quality secondary source that explicitly connects those 2024 statistics to this attack, their inclusion constitutes original research by introducing an editorial narrative.
Currently, the article leans toward characterizing the incident as a general act of antisemitism in the editorial voice, largely based on statements from politicians and advocacy groups. However, since the investigation remains ongoing and the evidence points toward a specific motive of retaliation for family deaths, we should adhere to WP:NPOV. We should limit the background to established facts directly related to this case, rather than framing the event through historical statistical trends that have not been linked to it by independent RS. Paprikaiser (talk) 22:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
What degree of specificity of connection would suffice? If a source covers Temple Israel, and says ‘hate crimes against Jews have risen in recent years’, is that statement alone enough of a connection to introduce the fbi data?
Or, if a source about TI says ‘hate crimes against Jews have risen in recent years according to the fbi’, would that be sufficient to introduce the data? Mikewem (talk) 23:26, 23 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
A source simply mentioning that "hate crimes against Jews have risen in recent years" in an article about Temple Israel would likely still fall under WP:SYNTH if we used it to justify importing the full 2024 FBI dataset. Per WP:CONTEXTMATTERS, the connection needs to be explicit, not just proximity-based. If a high-quality secondary source specifically analyzes this 2026 attack within the context of those 2024 statistics, we could certainly mention that. Paprikaiser (talk) 12:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 13 March 2026

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. There's a lot of discussion here but I've done my best to summarise it. There are two main discussions: Whether to include the year, and how to refer to the location of the attacks. The consensus is generally that per WP:NCWWW, the year should be included in the title. No policy-based counterarguments have been made here. As for the location of the attack, the strongest argument seems to be in favour of "2026 Michigan synagogue attack" due to it being the WP:COMMONNAME for the event. Per Yeshivish613's source analysis and my own, about half of the sources in the article use "Michigan synagogue", with the other half being divided between "Temple Israel" and "West Bloomfield synagogue". Of the latter half, roughly half of those are local news sources, using names that make sense in context of locals to the area, not necessarily a global audience. (non-admin closure) {{GearsDatapacks|talk|contribs}} 15:02, 16 April 2026 (UTC)Reply


Temple Israel synagogue attack2026 Temple Israel synagogue attack – Event appears to fail WP:NOYEAR requirements. A lack of other notable attacks at West Bloomfield's Temple Israel does not imply that a year is not necessary, factors such as how identifiable the incident does, and even at this early stage this incident does not appear to reach that level of notoriety quite clearly. Please note that WP:NCWWW states that most events titles should say when, where, and what happened.

Edit: Possible alts may be 2026 Michigan synagogue attack, 2026 West Bloomfield Township synagogue attack, or 2026 West Bloomfield synagogue attack. Raskuly (talk) 03:40, 13 March 2026 (UTC)  Relisting. TarnishedPathtalk 10:48, 30 March 2026 (UTC)  Relisting. TarnishedPathtalk 10:26, 9 April 2026 (UTC)Reply

Support 2026 West Bloomfield Township synagogue attack and 2026 Michigan synagogue attack due to being the WP:COMMONNAME. Noting that "Temple Israel" is also a very generic name for a synagogue Beeswax1999 (talk) 01:32, 13 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
I suggest a move to 2026 synagogue attack in West Bloomfield, Michigan, because the location should also be included in the title per WP:NCWWW and because including "Temple Israel" along with "synagogue" is unnecessary disambiguation. I2Overcome talk 03:27, 13 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
Or 2026 Michigan synagogue attack I2Overcome talk 03:30, 13 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
Having the full address like that is not common practice, if anything it would be 2026 Michigan Temple Israel synagogue attack. Chattenoir (talk) 03:31, 13 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
Articles are not titled like that, so that would be against WP:CONSISTENT. Raskuly (talk) 03:35, 13 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
What about 2026 Michigan synagogue attack or 2026 Michigan Temple Israel synagogue attack? I2Overcome talk 03:39, 13 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
"2024 Melbourne synagogue attack" against Addas Israel synagogue. Late Night Coffee (talk) 22:16, 21 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
Adidas Israel synagogue? Raskuly (talk) 22:29, 21 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
Typo Late Night Coffee (talk) 22:31, 21 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
I don't know how many S or D it should have, but I fixed the I. Late Night Coffee (talk) 22:34, 21 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
Plus 2025 Manchester synagogue attack. Yeshivish613 (talk) 11:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
"West Bloomfield" isn't recognisable to people from far away, so 2026 Michigan synagogue attack is the best option. Alternatively 2026 Michigan Temple Israel synagogue attack or Michigan Temple Israel synagogue attack. Late Night Coffee (talk) 22:15, 21 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
It’s not clear that there’s any opposition to including the year. I would actually just withdraw this, make the change, and then see what happens. Mikewem (talk) 02:07, 13 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
I've done many requested moves for older articles lacking years, and believe me there is often opposition, even if I think the arguments against it are weak or often come from a place of ignorance to the guidelines. Raskuly (talk) 02:22, 13 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
For the record, Support Mikewem (talk) 03:18, 13 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
And prefer 2026 Michigan synagogue attack over 2026 Temple Israel synagogue attack Mikewem (talk) 04:31, 13 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
Agree Chattenoir (talk) 03:13, 13 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
Comment Folks, the format is Support or Oppose, not Agree or presumably Disagree. Raskuly (talk) 03:35, 13 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
Support 2026 Michigan synagogue attack: I'm not a big fan of it being as broad as an entire state, but that appears to be the WP:COMMONNAME based on sources. It doesn't matter what I like, it matters what best matches the guidelines and policies. Raskuly (talk) 03:56, 13 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
Support 2026 West Bloomfield Township synagogue attack and 2026 Michigan synagogue attack, though all other proposed names are ok. AnthonyTheGuy (talk) 00:33, 14 March 2026 (UTC)Reply

Oppose The news is reporting this as a terrorist attack on Temple Israel. https://www.mlive.com/news/2026/03/what-to-know-about-the-temple-israel-synagogue-attack-in-west-bloomfield.html  Preceding unsigned comment added by ~2026-15785-47 (talk) 04:07, 13 March 2026 (UTC)Reply

I'm not sure what the argument is here. Raskuly (talk) 16:29, 13 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
Raskuly, please refrain from bludgeoning the process. Gjb0zWxOb (talk) 16:38, 16 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
Not bludgeoning, I was unsure what the editor was even arguing. I was trying to get them to amend their argument to make sense or explain what they meant. Raskuly (talk) 16:57, 16 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
Per WP:BLUDGEON, "Bludgeoning is when a user dominates the conversation in order to persuade others to their point of view." You do not WP:OWN the article either (though you accused another of this) and made about a dozen comments so far. Allow consensus to form organically and maybe walk the dog. Gjb0zWxOb (talk) 19:47, 16 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
This comment is invalid anyway. Per WP:CT/A-I, only extended-confirmed editors can participate in RMs on this topic. I already tried striking it, but it appears they reverted it. I2Overcome talk 02:53, 17 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose since Temple Israel synagogue attack would appear to be the WP:COMMONNAME and is used in many mainstream and reliable sources. The date should be added if there is confusion over multiple shootings with the title "Temple Israel", but I do not see that as the case here at all. Pittsburgh synagogue shooting does not include the date/year and is another major American based attack on a Temple/synagogue, so it would seem that leaving this with the current title as it presently is would be the best and most precise article title. Iljhgtn (they/them · talk) 16:18, 13 March 2026 (UTC) Blocked sock. Yeshivish613 (talk) 14:10, 12 April 2026 (UTC)Reply
    Of course the year isn't part of the common name, it just happened, but I don't think you're arguing that. So what do you have to say about WP:NOYEAR and WP:NCWWW, especially Some articles do not need a year for disambiguation when, in historic perspective, the event is easily described without it. and that in the majority of cases it should say when, where, and what happened. The date should be added if there is confusion over multiple shootings with the title "Temple Israel". Where does it say that in the guidelines? A reader should expect that if there have been other notable attacks or similar incidents at a location it would be clarified in the article. Also, just because one significantly more notable attack at a synagogue is titled on way does not mean that this can't be titled differently, and looking through the archive there hasn't even been a proper discussion about adding a year. Raskuly (talk) 16:26, 13 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
    "As this is a judgement call, please discuss it with other editors if there is disagreement." Justification for why its needed per WP:ONUS should be supplied in argument. I don't see the need for the year, but don't feel strongly about it. Iljhgtn (they/them · talk) 16:29, 13 March 2026 (UTC) Blocked sock. Yeshivish613 (talk) 14:10, 12 April 2026 (UTC)Reply
    "Pittsburgh" is more recognisable as a specific place, "temple Israel" could be anywhere, and some might think it's in the State of Israel. Late Night Coffee (talk) 22:11, 21 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
Support adding date per convention of similar articles. Oppose "Michigan synagogue attack" as the title, as the name of the state is broad and is not the best descriptor of the site. 42-BRT (talk) 16:25, 13 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
Support 2026 Temple Israel attack (Michigan) per WP:NCWWW, WP:NOYEAR, WP:COMMONNAME, and to disambiguate from other Temple Israels per AnthonyTheGuy. Raskuly (talk) 11:10, 14 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
I feel the title doesn't really need the year since (Michigan) already disambiguates it, like the Cleveland Elementary School shooting (San Diego) article. If the year is included then I support 2026 West Bloomfield Township synagogue attack, like the 2025 Grand Blanc Township church attack article. AnthonyTheGuy (talk) 21:06, 14 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
Support 2026 West Bloomfield synagogue attack per WP:NCWWW, WP:NOYEAR, and WP:COMMONNAME. Raskuly (talk) 21:32, 14 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose as I had created the article, which with its current name as "Temple Israel synagogue attack" clearly and concisely states the nature of the incident. Alansohn (talk)
You don't own the article, did you read the guidelines presented in the argument or any argument? Raskuly (talk) 12:16, 15 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
Note: WikiProject Jewish history, WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography, WikiProject Judaism, and WikiProject Michigan have been notified of this discussion. TarnishedPathtalk 10:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
  • Support 2026 Michigan synagogue attack. There's really two discussions going on here: Regarding the inclusion of the year, and the common name of the attack. Wikipedia policy for the first one (and the only one I can see mentioned in the discussion above) should be simple enough: WP:NCWWW tells us to include the year, and this obviously is to early to invoke WP:NOYEAR.
Regarding the common name of the attack, WP:COMMONNAME tells us that this is determined by "its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable, English-language sources." No one has brought any above, so I'll look at some myself (in order of how I found them from the first few pages of Google results):
Michigan synagogue is used by the BBC, CNN, New York Times, PBS, Guardian, Times of Israel, Sky News, and Jerusalem Post.
Temple Israel is used by The Detroit News, FOX 2 Detroit, and WDIV-TV, which are all local Michigan sites.
NBC seems to use either, and there are no results for West Bloomfield. Clearly the majority of reliable sources refer to it as a Michigan attack, which makes it the WP:COMMONNAME. Yeshivish613 (talk) 11:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Vehicle

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Does anybody have any sources or know information about the manufacturer or the model of the truck the suspect was using? ImVeryStupid (talk) 02:16, 13 March 2026 (UTC)Reply

Hello @ImVeryStupid: Please dont repeatedly reinstate unsourced material in breaking news sensitive topics. You can either provide a source that says it’s “an unidentified make and model pickup truck”, or you can stop reinstating the edit, or you can get potentially blocked for edit warring. Do you have any preference between those 3 choices? Mikewem (talk) 02:28, 13 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
I'm very sorry Mikewem. All I want is to help, but I won't reinstate it again until it was officially identified. I appreciate everything on what you said. I'll just stop reinstating, but if you want to potentially block me, it'll be better for you, go right ahead. I'm not going to edit for now anyway. ImVeryStupid (talk) 02:33, 13 March 2026 (UTC)Reply

Cause of death

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@Raskuly Previously the sources were saying cause of death is unknown due to severe burning making it difficult, and it was unclear whether the explosives killed him or gunshots. When you made this update https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Temple_Israel_synagogue_attack&diff=prev&oldid=1343300138 is that reflecting new sources? Chattenoir (talk) 12:59, 13 March 2026 (UTC)Reply

I was putting what was already in the article in the lead. If the sources don't support that, then it shouldn't be in the article anywhere. Raskuly (talk) 13:02, 13 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
What do you mean? The sources in the lead? The source in the last sentence of the lead says cause of death unknown Chattenoir (talk) 13:04, 13 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
Oh sorry misread you, you mean what is in the body? Look if you read the sources they all say cause of death unknown. I don't have EC, please can you remove that from the body and lead. Because it is not true Chattenoir (talk) 13:05, 13 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
In the Attack section it previously stated that the perp was killed in an exchange of gunfire with security personnel despite the source saying that the cause of death was unknown. I trusted whoever wrote that and didn't check the source and added that to the lead, but your ping notified me that was incorrect so I amended the wording in both the lead and body of the article. Raskuly (talk) 13:15, 13 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
Yeah dw and thanks for amending.
The source of what was put in the attack section was of lower quality, and when it comes to initial reporting of ongoing events only high quality news sources should be used imo because there is a tendency for tabloids and such to make assumptions and misreport (which they did in this case). Chattenoir (talk) 13:55, 13 March 2026 (UTC)Reply

Hezbollah ties

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Add that the perpetrators brothers were believed to be members of Hezbollah.

Source: https://nypost.com/2026/03/13/us-news/first-photo-of-michigan-shooter-who-tried-to-murder-jewish-toddlers/ Hej34 (talk) 18:53, 13 March 2026 (UTC)Reply

That's probably not a usable source, per WP:NYPOST. Here are some better sources which might be useful to a more experienced editor than I:
NBC News:

The two brothers were known to be members of Hezbollah, the Iranian-backed militant group, the official said. But it was unclear what role they played in the organization or whether they were the target of the strike.

CBS News:

Ghazali was originally from Machgharah, a town in southern Lebanon with a significant Hezbollah presence and influence. His two brothers stayed in Lebanon and were both members of Hezbollah's rocket unit in southern Lebanon, CBS News has learned from sources on the ground in Lebanon, who said the two brothers were killed in a drone strike carried out by the Israel Defense Forces on March 5.

IncidentallyOpposite (talk) 19:19, 13 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
I'd say the latter part (that his brothers were killed in an Israeli attack) is likely to be far more relevant than their membership in Hezbollah. Guettarda (talk) 16:58, 14 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
The IDF claimed responsibility for killing the father of the family, as an intentional targeted killing. Their alleged reason for this was that he was in Hezbollah. They described the target as a "military structure", no other sources are taking that description seriously, they describe it as a family home. The Israeli Air Force appear to have targeted the family home based on a suspicion that the father was an enemy combatant. Hezbollah told the New York Times that he was not part of the group.
Most sources say only one brother was in Hezbollah, both kids were his. Late Night Coffee (talk) 13:51, 24 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
Are you talking about this NYT article?
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/15/world/middleeast/israel-lebanon-michigan-synagogue-hezbollah.html
https://archive.is/x6EUi
"A Hezbollah official, speaking on condition of anonymity to talk to the media, denied that Ibrahim or his family were affiliated with the group. He told The New York Times the Michigan attacker had been motivated by revenge for his family." Ayjazz (talk) 14:09, 31 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
New York Post is not a reliable source. Late Night Coffee (talk) 13:39, 24 March 2026 (UTC)Reply

New footage shows the suspect purchasing fireworks.

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New footage was released to the public, showing that the man entered the Phantom Fireworks store in Livonia, Michigan, two days prior to the attack. The video shows him walking in, buying $2,000 worth of fireworks, paying at aisle 5, parking his dark gray fourteenth-generation Ford F-150 Lariat Luxury (4-door), and loading his fireworks in the truck. The F-150 is most likely the pickup truck that was used in the attack. The shooter shot himself in the head.[1] ~2026-11888-56 (talk) 00:24, 14 March 2026 (UTC)Reply

"2026 Ghazali family killing" listed at Redirects for discussion

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