Talk:2024 Abundant Life Christian School shooting

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we need to change the image. The image shows the front of the adjacent daycare not the school part Cyber the tiger🐯 (talk) 18:49, 20 August 2025 (UTC)

Good article

Hiya! I want to make this a good article but I am unfamiliar with the criteria and process.

1) Do y’all think it meets criteria 2) If it does, can I nominate Zulresso! :D (talk) 22:34, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

Can I make a audio of me reading the article?

Is that ok? We do it with other pages. Edittorzzzz (talk) 02:34, 19 April 2026 (UTC)

Please go ahead and do so Trade (talk) 13:38, 26 May 2026 (UTC)

Requested move 31 May 2026

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Consensus to move per WP:NCWWW. (closed by non-admin page mover) ⹃Maltazarian ^{ᚾparley$\lor$investigateᛅ} 23:27, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

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Abundant Life Christian School shooting → 2024 Abundant Life Christian School shooting – Not notable enough to have a WP:NOYEAR title NesserWiki (talk) 20:31, 31 May 2026 (UTC)

• Support per nominator. A. Randomdude0000 (talk) 21:51, 31 May 2026 (UTC)
• Support per nom and as the default per WP:NCWWW is to have a year. Just because the title is more specific than a city does not mean NCWWW does not apply. You need to establish with evidence that WP:NOYEAR is met, and I do not believe that such evidence exists. Raskuly 🐰 05:05, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

Oppose

Forgetting the historical context of Natalie being a female mass shooter and a young one. Also: Were there more shootings at this school? ButteyFelicity (talk) 14:19, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

Point me towards the female mass shooter means an article title can't have a year naming guideline. And no, that would only be relevant for if it happened in the same year. Raskuly 🐰 17:09, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

Technically yes but one is forgetting:

“In a historic perspective, the event is easily described without it.”

The event is notable for a Female Mass Shooter how many are there? https://abc7ny.com/post/teen-suspect-deadly-wisconsin-school-attack-points-rarity-female-shooters/15670797/

As well as this becoming (unfortunately) another infamous school shooting as it has: Copycats, which proves its notoriety. https://fox11online.com/news/crime/gallery/report-teen-suspects-in-nashville-and-madison-school-shootings-may-have-been-in-contact-solomon-henderson-opened-fire-parkland-uvalde-columbine-california-abundant-life-christian-school-antioch-high-school-natalie-rupnow?photo=2

https://fox11online.com/news/state/report-details-colorado-school-shooting-suspects-connection-to-madison-school-shooter-natalie-rupnow-desmond-holly-denver-columbine-neo-nazi-evergreen-high-school-white-supremacy

https://www.channel3000.com/news/minneapolis-school-shooter-wrote-name-of-alcs-shooter-on-gun-seen-in-video/article_6f23f0ee-d812-43e1-aad8-b54a985f02e2.html

as well as outside the U.S

https://www.metrotvnews.com/read/bzGCR8jJ-siswa-pelaku-ledakan-di-sman-72-jakarta-terinspirasi-6-tokoh-ekstremisme

There’s a bit more but they’re not widely published.

The Graz Austria Shooting was another one of her copycat, but I need to find an article showing it. ButteyFelicity (talk) 17:42, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

Your argument boils down to female mass shooter (unusual, but again this in of itself does not establish WP:NOYEAR) and other degenerates like her taking inspiration from her–when she also took inspiration from other degenerates. At this point, is not nearly every notable school shooting inspired by another (or multiple others)? Raskuly 🐰 18:08, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

That’s my point. Your also forgetting: “when, in historic perspective, the event is easily described without it.” It’s a main talking point sadly. And saying “its not notable” (not you the nominator) is kinda downplaying the consequences of it. At least they should provide evidence instead of the naming convention and calling it that. That’s what happened on another article saying “It’s a trend so let’s do it.”

Not really. That statement is basically assuming every school shooting that happens days in a row, inspires the next, which neglects the key factors and isn’t logical. There are main components for it to be notable not just: “Oh He shot up a school yesterday and he’s cool so Im gonna do it, rinse and repeat.” It’s more intricate than that.

The main prominent ones are:

Columbine - Prominent Copycats: Parkland, Suzano, Jokela, and Kerch.

Isla Vista Attacks - Prominent Copycats: Toronto Van Attack, Umpqua Communtiy College Shooting, and Plymouth.

Christchurch Shootings - Prominent Copycats El Paso, Poway Synagogue, Buffalo, and recently San Diego Mosque.

Abundant is coming more and more prominent.

Graza Austria School, Annunciation, Evergreen, and Antioch.

Yes there are other small ones that inspire other school shootings, but there not as prominent as the ones I listed.

(sorry if this seems rude it’s not) ButteyFelicity (talk) 18:28, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

Look, I don't feel like continuing this, as you'd also argue for every single one of those copycats to not have a year either. But to be clear, NesserWiki did not write "not notable" in the sense that it had no notability, but rather that it was notable enough to have a WP:NOYEAR title, which is a completely different meaning and relevant to naming guidelines, not notability guidelines. Raskuly 🐰 18:33, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

Alright I just feel like it’s taken too seriously. I mean I can Identify it without the year. And at least when someone nominates it, research on the notability would be nice. ButteyFelicity (talk) 20:16, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

@ButteyFelicity Do you have a source for it inspiring Graz, or are you talking about the picture he took of his boots? (Like Natalie and Solomon did) Militant.Insurgency (talk) 13:38, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

Support per nom and WP:NOYEAR, it is for identification, because this is not an incident most people would know. It does not in any way indicate there were multiple incidents. It is not over precision, just as much as saying the location is not. That one personally doesn't like the naming guideline for events doesn't mean we can ignore it. PARAKANYAA (talk) 18:32, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

Support per nom, WP:NCWWW is clear here, and per PARAKANYAA. —Locke Cole • t • c • b 22:43, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

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