Talk:1972 Sacramento Canadair Sabre accident

Requested move 26 March 2026

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) TarnishedPath^talk 07:41, 20 April 2026 (UTC)

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1972 Sacramento Canadair Sabre accident → Farrell's Ice Cream Parlor disaster – Multiple sources cited in the article referred to this accident as "Farrell's disaster" or "Farrell's crash" or other similar labelling other than the one we currently use which referred to the city. Since this is a one of a kind accident (involving air show aircraft crashing into unrelated civilian building), I think this should be changed accordingly to reflect the key point of this disaster. NotKringe (talk) 11:29, 26 March 2026 (UTC) — Relisting. Jeffrey34555 (talk) 06:42, 2 April 2026 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPath^talk 08:40, 9 April 2026 (UTC)

Holding off for now Oppose unless you got sources calling it "Farrell's Ice Cream Parlor disaster". If there isn't a WP:COMMONNAME for it we would do better sticking to standard naming conventions. ―Maltazarian ^{(talk$\lor$investigate)} 15:34, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

To be honest, there isn't any source which specifically used that name, but other sources referring to it along the line of that name.

• Flight Journal referring to it as "Farrell's crash". (1)
• The Sacramento Bee referring to it as "Farrell's jet-crash" or "Farrell's disaster". (1) (2)
• Check Six referring to it as "The Crash at Farrel's Ice Cream Parlor". (1)

Since all the aforementioned sources referred to Farrell's as the key point of the disaster (as this is where the casualties were found), I think this can be condensed into the proposed title or similar alternative. NotKringe (talk) 17:10, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

Hmm, after searching around and also seeing the article 2002 Pirelli Tower airplane crash I'm more persuaded by your argument. I was basing my response off a bunch of different policies and guidelines here and most of them are intentionally vague so it gets a bit messy. The starting point is WP:NCE which gives a style guide on naming articles on events, and has a guide for aviation accidents in it, and we should be following that unless it's overruled by WP:COMMONNAME, but if 2002 Pirelli Tower airplane crash is fine despite there not being many sources outright calling it that then 1972 Farrel's Ice Cream Parlor airplane crash might be fine. We do have to keep the 1972 per WP:NCWWW. Usually the length of the title would be an issue here but the current title is also long so it shouldn't be a WP:CRITERIA conciseness issue. Hopefully we will get some more input because I feel a bit unsure now honestly. ―Maltazarian ^{(talk$\lor$investigate)} 17:44, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject California and WikiProject Aviation have been notified of this discussion. Jeffrey34555 (talk) 06:42, 2 April 2026 (UTC)

• Leaning opposed (in the primary proposed phrasing): The word "disaster" is non-neutral and should only be used with evidence that it is a dominant "common name". Airline accident experts should chime in on what phrasing is typically preferred on Wikipedia, but I suggest some phrase using "accident" or "crash", probably including the year. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 15:14, 8 April 2026 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Disaster management has been notified of this discussion. TarnishedPath^talk 08:42, 9 April 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose. The current title is in line with WP:NCE#Aviation incidents and WP:AVTITLE. Many sources mention Farrell's but I'm not convinced that they do so in a way that makes the ice cream parlor part of the COMMONNAME for the accident. Rosbif73 (talk) 06:46, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Sources

• Flight Journal — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Rambling Man (talk • contribs) 19:24, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
• Desert Sun — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Rambling Man (talk • contribs) 19:24, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
• HONORED ASHES, STORIES UNTOLD: Sacramento's deadliest plane crash — Preceding unsigned comment added by RecycledPixels (talk • contribs) 18:41, 7 January 2023 (UTC)