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Hi Rosbif73. I've been looking at the recent Alto NG crash near Moscow (20 March). Initially I thought it was just another light aircraft accident, but digging into it, I found solid coverage — Meduza has a detailed analysis with photos, and SotaProject provides a good summary. Both are Russian outlets, but I can read them fine. I'm not sure this is enough for a standalone article, especially given the sensitive context. What do you think? Worth pursuing or still too soon? Thanks. Shiningr3ds (talk) 09:00, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

Hi @Shiningr3ds, I can only read the Meduza link via google translation, and the other one doesn't want to translate, so it's hard to give a solid assessment. Meduza's reporting seems to be rather tentative, based on Facebook posts, blogs and Telegram channels, and I'm not convinced it would qualify as reliable. If I were you I'd wait for other reports to emerge, ideally in English (though I realise this is the sort of event where reliable reporting is going to be hard to come by), or perhaps put something together in draftspace; if you were to start an article now, with only those sources, I strongly suspect you'd get shot down at AfD pretty fast (pun not intended). Rosbif73 (talk) 17:17, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

@Rosbif73, thanks for the reply. I was also looking at the Tema plane crash in Ghana (March 16). Small aircraft again, but this one seems to have gotten significant local attention. The parliament held a minute of silence, and there's been coverage for several days (today too). I'm thinking there might be enough for a WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE case, possibly even SUSTAINED, but I'm not sure if it would hold up for a standalone article. What do you think? Worth pursuing? Shiningr3ds (talk) 19:43, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

Hi @Shiningr3ds, I very much doubt it. Almost all accidents are considered newsworthy and get attention during a relatively short initial news cycle (typically two or three days, with local coverage sometimes lasting a week or more), but very few light aircraft crashes get more than that. Mourning, obituaries of victims, tributes and the like are totally routine. I'd say that coverage continuing at least two weeks would be a bare minimum for CONTINUEDCOVERAGE or SUSTAINED, and in any case would need to include proper analysis or discussion, not just routine reporting. Again, I'd say this is WP:TOOSOON. Rosbif73 (talk) 07:49, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the reply. I think if detailed coverage emerges, I'll work on an article about this crash. Shiningr3ds (talk) 11:49, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

Hi @Rosbif73. Quick follow-up on the Alto NG crash — I've since found two more secondary sources: TVP World (English-language) and Mediazona. Would that be enough for a standalone article now, or still too soon? Shiningr3ds (talk) 06:32, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

I'm not convinced yet, particularly as multiple discussions at WP:RSP seem to have doubts about the neutrality of TVP's reporting on politically sensitive subjects. With better sourcing, a shootdown allegedly caused by Russian soldiers mistaking a light civilian aircraft for a Ukrainian drone could be notable, but as it stands I suspect it might be better to find an appropriate sub-article on the Russo-Ukrainian war in which to mention it. Rosbif73 (talk) 08:06, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

Also, would you mind if I keep checking in with you on various aviation accidents from time to time? I'm trying to avoid getting into disputes — the 2026 Paipa Piper PA-31 crash discussion really drained me, and as I said before, I probably won't be taking part in those kinds of discussions anymore. That's why I'd rather check with you first about notability, so I don't have to defend articles at AfD. Shiningr3ds (talk) 07:42, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

Feel free to ask, though I can't guarantee that I'll have the time to check out sources in detail. Rosbif73 (talk) 08:09, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

Thanks again for being willing to answer my questions.

I've been looking at the 2025 São Paulo King Air F90 crash. It was redirected at AfD last year as too soon, but now I've found several sources: G1, Terra, Record/R7 (May 2025 follow-up on survivors, WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE?), GaúchaZH (March 2026 article). Would this be enough for a standalone article now? Shiningr3ds (talk) 08:41, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

At a brief glance, the first two are routine reporting from the initial news cycle, and the follow up on survivors is hardly encyclopedic. The last one seems to be reserved for subscribers but judging from the first paragraph it's just a vague status update on the investigation and probably counts as routine reporting too. Rosbif73 (talk) 08:54, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

I'd push back a bit on the first two. G1's piece isn't just initial reporting — it covers significant damage from a previous emergency landing in Venezuela, which is background investigation. Terra provides a detailed timeline with exact timestamps — that's more than a routine news brief.

The Record/R7 piece and GaúchaZH are meant to show WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE — the story didn't disappear after the first week. Even if the survivor piece isn't encyclopedic on its own, combined with the ongoing investigation, it suggests lasting significance. Shiningr3ds (talk) 09:04, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

I think you'd need something a bit stronger than that to justify overturning the AfD decision: from what I can see, it remains a run-of-the-mill event with no greater significance than the hundreds of other light aircraft crashes that occur around the world every year. Duration of coverage is an indicator of notability, but the mere existence of continued coverage is not sufficient on its own to give a routine event encyclopedic notability. Rosbif73 (talk) 11:05, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

Hey, Rosbif73. Can you give your comment on this? Shiningr3ds (talk) 18:28, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

Hi Rosbif73. Regarding the Tema crash, do you still think it's too early for an article? The subject appears to be quite prominent in Ghana — coverage has persisted, with several new publications just recently, and I personally think the requirements of WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE, or even WP:SUSTAINED, are now met. Shiningr3ds (talk) 18:43, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

If you can post the links that you think meet those requirements, I'll take a look. Rosbif73 (talk) 06:57, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

I asked the DeepSeek AI to pull together a more complete picture of the sources. It broke them down by month (March, April, May 2026). Feel free to open a few of them — I'm not asking you to check every single one. Also, AI can make mistakes, so if there are any errors, I'll take responsibility for those.

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8. . Shiningr3ds (talk) 08:57, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

And please forgive me in advance for nearly 50 sources... Shiningr3ds (talk) 09:11, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

I've only looked at some of the May ones, but I don't see anything other than routine reporting of (a) the reopening of the place the aircraft crashed into and (b) the preliminary investigation results. Nothing WP:INDEPTH. Rosbif73 (talk) 09:51, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

I wasn't talking about INDEPTH, but still, thanks anyway. Shiningr3ds (talk) 11:56, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

INDEPTH isn't optional. To quote from that criterion:

An event must receive significant or in-depth coverage to be notable.

Rosbif73 (talk) 12:04, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

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