Talk:John Rambo (film)

Remove unrelated Tarantino paragraph (misleading association)

The Development section includes a paragraph about Quentin Tarantino expressing interest (in 2021) in directing a new adaptation of David Morrell’s First Blood.

This material is not related to the subject of this article, which concerns a separate prequel film (John Rambo) produced by Millennium Media. Tarantino’s comments refer to a hypothetical new adaptation of the original novel, not this prequel project.

Its placement here creates a misleading impression of connection or involvement.

Per WP:UNDUE, WP:COATRACK, and WP:RELEVANCE, this paragraph should be removed or relocated to a more appropriate article.

Thank you. ~2026-23988-80 (talk) 00:00, 20 April 2026 (UTC)

 Not done: according to the page's protection level, you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. DiscoursesonLivvy (talk · contribs) 00:11, 20 April 2026 (UTC)

Inclusion of cited trade reports regarding production timeline and WGA status

There is an ongoing issue with the systematic removal of fully cited, reliable source material from this entry. Per Wikipedia:Verifiability (WP:V), information must be supported by reliable, published sources. The recent deletions of the production's documented timeline, the WGA Strike/Unfair list status of the IP holder, and the documented filming overlaps reported by major industry trades (Variety, Deadline, TheWrap, Collider) constitute a violation of Wikipedia:Neutral Point of View (WP:NPOV). Blanking verified text that outlines conflicting public statements from studio executives and lead talent—all directly attributed to reputable secondary sources—is an inaccurate application of the "vandalism" label. Per Wikipedia:Vandalism (WP:NOTVAND), the introduction of factual, cited controversies does not constitute vandalism. To maintain encyclopedic integrity, the text concerning the documented labor actions and chronological trade contradictions must be restored under a dedicated production sub-header. Editors objecting to these specific trade citations should detail their policy-based reasoning below rather than executing unilateral rollbacks. ~2026-32229-45 (talk) 01:14, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

1. You didn't provide direct links to the articles so it's not "fully cited"; only links to the homepages of the articles' publications were provided. That's the biggest reason it looked like vandalism.

2. Casting announcements during/after filming doesn't mean they literally were just cast and hadn't been involved in the production prior. It's simply the declassification of information.

3. The headline of the Hindustan Times article is misleading/inaccurate; although dated in June and saying filming has "begun", the article states "According to studio updates and entertainment reports, filming for John Rambo reportedly began in Thailand earlier this year", and mentions Screen Global Production a source whose own article matches up with the January dates of other sources.

4. Apparent WGA violations without significant coverage don't need to be noted, especially as there are details missing that'll determine how notable this is (eg. punishment for violating?; did the writers leave the WGA prior?; is WGA even aware?).

In short, your contributions were not helpful. IAmNMFlores (talk) 18:27, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

This LLM-generated text has been collapsed and should be excluded from assessments of consensus. AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:56, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Let's address each of your points systematically by referencing the documented trade record and core Wikipedia policies, specifically Verifiability (WP:V) and Reliable Sources (WP:RS).

Verification of the Global Lionsgate Press Rollout (May 2025–June 2026)

The assertion that these production milestones lack adequate context or trade coverage is fundamentally inaccurate. The chronological paper trail originates entirely from Lionsgate’s official publicity and marketing division, which heavily disseminates these updates to international trade, mainstream media, and global social media networks—and has been doing so continuously from May 2025 to date.

The May 2025 Cannes Launch: Lionsgate's ongoing promotional rollout dates back into May 2025. This is explicitly proven by the director's own public statements regarding development and pre-production milestones. Ironically, this is verified by the director's quote already cited as an established source on this very Wikipedia page, providing an undeniable, internal contradiction to your claim of a 'lack of context.' Furthermore, WGA screenwriters Rory Haynes and Sohrab Noshirvani very publicly shopped the screenplay package alongside Millennium Media at the Cannes Film Market during this exact window, a timeline thoroughly documented by widespread media coverage, public photographs, and videos.

January 29, 2026: Lionsgate’s publicity and marketing division issued a global press release confirming the official commencement of principal photography in Bangkok, Thailand. This opening salvo was widely picked up and reported via major industry authorities—including comprehensive breaks by Variety, The Hollywood Reporter, and Deadline—and broadcast across mainstream media. Furthermore, Lionsgate themselves pushed this announcement directly to social media alongside the film's initial promotional poster.

Mid-April 2026 (CinemaCon in Las Vegas): Lead actor Noah Centineo and Lionsgate Motion Picture Group Chair Adam Fogelson stated ON LIVE CAMERA during official studio presentations that principal photography had formally concluded. This Lionsgate executive himself explicitly stated filming wrapped in April. This live camera footage was actively published across verified studio networks, and their explicit statements were subsequently documented and quoted verbatim by major entertainment trades worldwide.

The Immediate Casting Contradiction: Merely hours after the Lionsgate Executive himself, and Noah, very publicly stated on live camera that the film had 'wrapped,' Lionsgate's publicity division issued an overlapping cross-press wire completely contradicting their own presentation, announcing that David Harbour had just signed onto the film to portray Colonel Sam Trautman.

May 2026 (Cannes Film Festival Casting Drop): In continuing contradiction to the studio's April 'wrap' announcement, James Franco very publicly announced his casting at the Cannes Film Festival in May 2026. Parallel to his announcement, Lionsgate's publicity division immediately disseminated an official cross-press release to trades, mainstream media, and social media networks confirming the casting. This was met with an immediate wave of independent investigative articles across all major media outlets corroborating that Lionsgate was actively adding lead cast members weeks after declaring the movie was finished.

June 3, 2026: Lionsgate’s publicity division issued subsequent promotional statements asserting that principal photography in Thailand was currently beginning.

Documenting these utterly contradictory public relations milestones and marketing issues issued directly on the record by a major studio's executive tier and marketing department is standard, encyclopedic production history. It does not constitute rumor or speculation.

Institutional Severity of the WGA Strike and Unfair List Placement

Characterizing the documented Guild actions as 'apparent violations without significant coverage' overlooks the standard legal and financial weight of union compliance notices within the entertainment industry. This regulatory dispute dates well prior to 2026.

The Disciplinary Orders and Violations: In May 2025, screenwriters Rory Haynes and Sohrab Noshirvani—who have been active, card-carrying WGA members since 2019/2020 following The Mauritanian—very publicly shopped the screenplay package alongside Millennium Media at the Cannes Film Market, drawing heavy media attention. This occurred while Millennium Media was subject to active, escalating disciplinary measures enacted by the Guild. The WGA issued a binding 'Do Not Work' order in October 2024, which was subsequently escalated to a formal, active 'Stop Work' order in January 2025.

The Official Guild Mandate & Executive Registry: Both of these active orders are issued directly on the official WGA Guild website as a blunt, explicit mechanism to inform ALL WGA writers, ALL WGA MBA signatory studios, and the industry at large of non-compliant entities. Announcements in trade media roll forward, but anyone cited as being on these active lists stays on the list until compliance is reached. Anyone can look this up directly on the alphabetical WGA registry itself to find the blacklisted film intellectual property holder, Millennium Media, along with individual top executives explicitly named alongside it, including Avi Lerner and Trevor Short. Every writer accepted into the Guild is fully aware of these operational boundaries, as membership directly impacts the accrual of critical pension plans, health insurance benefits, and completion bonds paid for by compliant, signatory WGA studios.

The MBA Signatory Breach, Escalating Penalties, and Freezes: Shopping the package with Millennium Media at Cannes was a blatant violation of these orders and the WGA Minimum Basic Agreement (MBA) signed by major studios, including Lionsgate, in both 2023 and 2026. Millennium Media actively failed to sign the 2023 WGA MBA, resulting in these ongoing orders and its subsequent upgrade to the WGA Strike and Unfair List in January 2026. Under the legally binding MBA, studio signatories are explicitly prohibited from working with non-signatory entities. The film is effectively frozen and cannot clear the institutional compliances needed for filming, post-production, or distribution. No WGA MBA signatory (such as Lionsgate and AGBO) can legally 'cleanse' the two writers who very publicly went into business with the IP holder against the strict orders of their own guild. Furthermore, under the newly ratified and signed 2026 WGA MBA—which governs compliant studios, distributors, theater chains, and streaming platforms—no alternative union writers can be hired to salvage or rewrite the material. Active WGA members violating these orders face severe institutional sanctions, including permanent expulsion for life, placement on the union's active 'scab list,' and a forfeiture of up to 100 percent of all compensation received. These seized funds are applied directly to cover Millennium's debt regarding outstanding, unpaid profits, residual earnings, contractual bonds, health insurance contributions, and pension funds owed to WGA writers.

Production Discrepancies and Regulatory Documentation

The query regarding whether the Writers Guild of America is 'aware' of these developments is structurally flawed. The provided citations map directly to the official, internal WGA West registry and legal database. The Guild is the sole authoring and enforcing body of these orders. Furthermore, the absolute lack of standard logistical logs filed with the official Thai Film Office for any active Rambo production throughout this year underscores the critical breakdown between the studio's publicized timeline and verified field metrics.

Per WP:V, Wikipedia is a repository for verified facts documented by high-tier, reliable secondary and primary sources. Editors cannot selectively scrub global trade announcements, global media coverage of the Cannes shopping window, mainstream social media collateral, or multi-million dollar labor disputes to streamline a studio's preferred marketing narrative. The chaotic, publicly documented timeline of this production is factually accurate, thoroughly verified, and structurally relevant to the film's encyclopedic record. ~2026-32229-45 (talk) 23:05, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

Posting LLM-generated slop is a complete and utter waste of time. We don't read it, since the bots routinely hallucinate material, including supposed Wikipedia policies. If you can't make a clear argument in your own words, citing sources that can be verified to directly support your claims, don't bother to post anything. AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:04, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

AndyTheGump, I am following your direction to bring this to the Talk page. Let's look at the literal text of the reliable sources rather than deflecting with accusations about AI formatting.

The previous version of the article stated that Lionsgate 'gained the rights' to the film based on a November 3, 2025, Deadline article by Justin Kroll. However, the literal text of that exact Deadline source states:

'Lionsgate has made a deal with Millennium Films to acquire rights to develop and produce all derivative works, including future film and TV productions, of The Expendables franchise, as well as worldwide distribution rights to John Rambo.'

The source explicitly shows that Lionsgate only acquired global distribution rights for John Rambo, while the actual intellectual property buyout applied solely to The Expendables. The text I added simply corrected this severe misquotation to match the source per WP:V and WP:RS.

Furthermore, the WGA 'Do Not Work' and 'Stop Work' orders against Millennium Media are primary facts hosted directly on the official WGA West registry database, and the chaotic production timeline—including Lionsgate executives announcing a wrap on live camera at CinemaCon followed hours later by David Harbour's casting announcement—is fully documented across Variety and Collider.

I am not misrepresenting policy; I am correcting a page that was selectively misquoting its own trade sources to create a false corporate narrative. The text belongs on the page to maintain factual accuracy." ~2026-32229-45 (talk) 00:53, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

Stop hiding behind the AI excuse to bury actual trade facts. I am typing this directly from my phone. Collapsing my response because you don't like the formatting is a blatant attempt to hide a severe WP:V violation.

The literal text of the Deadline article states that Lionsgate only bought 'global distribution rights' for Rambo, while the IP buyout applied solely to The Expendables. The existing Wikipedia page is actively misquoting its own sources to print a corporate lie, and you are gatekeeping the page to protect it. Uncollapse the text, stop deflecting with AI accusations, and address the actual Deadline quote." ~2026-32229-45 (talk) 00:56, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

I had typed out a response to your 00:53, but was edit-conflicted, and given your later posts, I can see little point in continuing this conversation, since you seem to be relying on the entirely fallacious misrepresentation of multiple Wikipedia policies your bullshit-bot generated. I'm not interested in arguing with next-word-guesser algorithms, or with people who take the output of such algorithms as credible. And nor am I interested in debating with someone who's response to being reverted is to invent facile conspiracy theories. AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:19, 6 June 2026 (UTC)