Talk:2023 Hamra junction shooting

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Arutz Sheva

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There being no response, I am again removing this as an unreliable source. nableezy - 16:26, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 May 2023

Please change the hyperlink for Yitzhak Herzog in the section Reactions ("The attack was condemned by Israeli leaders including Benjamin Netanyahu and Yitzhak Herzog") to Isaac Herzog ("The attack was condemned by Israeli leaders including Benjamin Netanyahu and Isaac Herzog"), as the article cites Isaac Herzog's reaction to the murders, not Yitzhak Herzog (who died in 1959). OctaviusSlockpit (talk) 01:41, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Ok, done. Iskandar323 (talk) 04:11, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 14 May 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} (please mention me on reply) 19:25, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

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Murders of Lucy, Maia and Rina Dee → 2023 Hamra junction shooting – Since Draft:2023 Hamra junction shooting, which it was suggested this be merged with, appears to be going nowhere and is no longer being updated, it makes sense to simply move this page to the neutral event title (when, where, what, per WP:NCE), copy any missing information (if any) from the draft here, and then delete the draft. Iskandar323 (talk) 13:25, 14 May 2023 (UTC)— Relisting. >>> Extorc.talk 10:04, 20 May 2023 (UTC)— Relisting. ExtorcDev (talk) 11:25, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose article title is already clear. In ictu oculi (talk) 21:41, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support - per WP:DEATHS murder is a criminal charge that is applied after a trial. There has been no arrest much less a conviction here. Shocking development that the AFD argument that this is a news event that will not have sustained coverage has proven itself true, just absolutely shocking. nableezy - 22:54, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. The family and individuals names are far more recognizable than some obscure junction name. The terrorists responsible were killed in an armed raid incidentally last week. Researcher (Hebrew: חוקרת) (talk) 17:43, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose: article title is clear and precise, proposed title is more obscure. No objection to creating a redirect if there is a consensus for one.  // Timothy :: talk  19:37, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

• Please see WP:DEATHS, and we dont ascribe blame for criminal acts to people without a criminal conviction. This is, as the AFD was, a blatant example of editors ignoring our policies and guidelines with nakedly emotional and partisan reasons. nableezy - 19:38, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

• Support Mass shootings are typically referred to by the year/date and location of the incident, rather than by the names of the individual casualties, unless those casualties are notable figures. Additionally, and as noted above, murder is a criminal charge that is applied after a trial per WP:DEATHS. Mooonswimmer 23:40, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support The current title is not clear because the named persons are not notable. It is not usual to name articles as it is presently, the earlier draft proposed by another editor was titled as proposed and in the customary way. In addition, "murder" is a presumption that cannot be made.Selfstudier (talk) 16:28, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
• Relisters comment: This discussion could benefit from more participation.>>> Extorc.talk 10:05, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per IIO. The article title is clear and describes exactly what it is about, better than using a vague title saying where it happened.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:26, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

  Who exactly has even been charged with murder here? nableezy - 15:48, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

  By the guidelines it either needs a neutral WP:NCE title or, per WP:DEATHS, it could be "Killing of", but the current title is untenable by any of the naming convention guidelines. Iskandar323 (talk) 16:34, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

• Support We tend to avoid using the term "murder" without a criminal conviction. PatGallacher (talk) 12:26, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support per nableezy. 〜 Festucalex • talk 12:50, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Correction request

In the section under Attack, the third sentence reads:

The Israeli vehicle carried 3 family members from Efrat, a 40-year-old mother and her two daughters, both in their 20s.

Request it be changed to:

The Israeli vehicle carried 3 family members from Efrat, a 48-year-old mother and her two daughters, aged 20 and 15.

Sources:

Times of Israel https://www.timesofisrael.com/to-lose-a-mother-is-to-lose-life-hundreds-at-funeral-for-terror-victim-lucy-dee/

NBC News https://www.nbcnews.com/news/mideast/israel-palestinians-dee-balhan-killed-west-bank-grief-rcna78904

BBC News https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-65224751

I haven't enough article edits for permission to edit this article myself, otherwise I would do so. Lorelai Bennet (talk) 20:56, 12 July 2025 (UTC)