Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indonesia

Splitting proposal at Talk:Kampong#Splitting_proposal

Please come join the discussion at Talk:Kampong#Splitting_proposal, this is in regards to the Cambodian section, but your input would be greatly appreciated. TansoShoshen (talk) 21:50, 3 February 2026 (UTC)

Translation help needed for bilingual welcome template

 Courtesy link: Template:Welcome-foreign/Indonesian

Hello. Can you help verify a brief, English-to-Indonesian translation in a welcome template?

Template:Welcome-foreign is a bilingual welcome template used to welcome new users who have written content in some other language besides English. The template welcomes them first in English, then in their own language, as long as it is one of the three dozen languages it can handle. New languages are easily added. Someone added support for Indonesian, creating Template:Welcome-foreign/Indonesian from the original at Template:Welcome-foreign/English, but it looks like they used a pre-AI machine translation to do it. I'd appreciate it if a native Indonesian speaker could verify or improve the translation. Feel free to edit it directly, or paste a better translation below, if you prefer not to edit a template. Thanks! Mathglot (talk) 06:16, 9 February 2026 (UTC)

Kisah Klasik Untuk Masa Depan

Could someone please translate the sources from the Indonesian article and add at least three of them to the English language version? You could earn points for the Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Backlog drives/March 2026. Bearian (talk) 20:42, 17 February 2026 (UTC)

Join Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026 – Create New Articles & Win Prizes

Hello WikiProject Indonesia Members,

You are warmly invited to participate in Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026 on the English Wikipedia.

This campaign focuses on improving content related to Ramadan, its history, traditions, culture, heritage, notable events, and global observances.

You can participate by creating new articles related to Ramadan and its associated topics. Your contributions will help bridge content gaps and improve coverage of Islamic culture and history on English Wikipedia.

There are also International Prizes for eligible participants.

Please visit the project page for full details, timeline, and guidelines: Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026

We look forward to your participation. Warm Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 09:08, 26 February 2026 (UTC)

List of sacred places in Java

Please add reliable sources. Note that if you register for the Unref backlog drive, you can earn a Barnstar! Bearian (talk) 04:41, 2 March 2026 (UTC)

About the block of auth.wikimedia.org in Indonesia.

Crossposting this to Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#CentralNotice_banner_in_Indonesia_explaining_the_recent_block_on_auth.wikimedia.org_and_linking_to_ID_WP_community_statement

As you might have heard, Indonesian government blocked the login/registration authentication subdomain in Indonesia since Feb 25th.

• (Indonesian) Kemkomdigi Batasi Fitur Login Wikimedia
• https://en.tempo.co/read/2091029/contributors-urge-indonesia-to-unblock-wikipedia-login-access
• https://voi.id/en/news/561350
• https://www.techinasia.com/news/indonesia-limits-wikimedia-access-after-registration-delay

The Indonesian Wikipedian community have discussed and written a response to this development, and asked for a Central Notice banner. I would like to invite members of WP Indonesia to decide if EN.WP would like to put a banner (targeted geographically for readers from Indonesia, which according to stats.wikimedia.org, in February 2026, English Wikipedia has 58 million page views from Indonesia), and sign as one of the signatories of the Community Statement, together with 20+ communities that have done so.

• (Indonesian) https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Pernyataan_resmi_komunitas_Wikipedia_bahasa_Indonesia_terhadap_pembatasan_akses_auth.wikimedia.org_di_Indonesia
• Place to discuss this statement in English
• Banner (ongoing) request in Meta.

Banner content (feel free to copyedit):

Since February 2026, registration and login access to Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects has been restricted in Indonesia. We urge the Ministry of Communication and Digital Technology to revoke this restriction so that we can continue to disseminate knowledge together!

Read more →

1. Bennylin (talk) 06:04, 10 March 2026 (UTC) As initiator.
2. Support. Jack Wylde (talk) 08:30, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
3. Support. Achmad Rachmani (talk) 00:16, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Mister Teen Indonesia 2015

The article Mister Teen Indonesia 2015 has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

This has been Unreferenced for over 10 years. No other language has a reliably sourced article from which to translate. Fails the relevant notability guidelines. None of the contestants nor judges are notable. Lacks significant coverage.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion based on established criteria.

If the proposed deletion has already been carried out, you may request undeletion of the article at any time. Bearian (talk) 22:01, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

If anyone who's watching this from outside Indonesia, and would like to give them an extension considering the political situation, please ping me. Bearian (talk) 22:02, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

Assessment Request: Wiki Batu Basurek Project

As organizers of the m:Wiki Batu Basurek project—a project focused on creating articles about Minangkabau inscriptions—we have recently created several articles in English. We would like to ask the members to review them for quality assessment or other feedback.

The articles are:

• Pagaruyung I inscription - unrated yet
• Pagaruyung II inscription - unrated yet
• Pagaruyung III inscription - unrated yet
• Pagaruyung IV inscription - unrated yet
• Pagaruyung V inscription - unrated yet
• Pagaruyung VI inscription - already rated B-class by the community
• Pagaruyung VII inscription - previous unfinished version rated C-class by the community
• Pagaruyung VIII inscription - unrated yet
• Pagaruyung IX inscription - unrated yet
• Ponggongan inscription - previous unfinished version rated start class by the community

Thank you in advance for your kind assistance. Rgds, Naval Scene (talk) 10:10, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

proper name for referring?

At the article Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, the hatnote—{{Indonesian name}}—says, "In this Indonesian name, there is no family name nor a patronymic, and the person should be referred to by the given name, Susilo." However, the entire article is written referring to him as "Yudhoyono". Which is correct? — Fourthords | =Λ= | 13:08, 25 April 2026 (UTC)

I would say the person who wrote it as Yudhoyono thought it sounded more proper in English, perceiving it as a family name and that calling him Susilo is too informal. However, per the norms described in that style guide you are correct. I think there's a case for saying SBY as well. It's how I heard him referred while he was still alive, not the other options. Dan Carkner (talk) 13:34, 25 April 2026 (UTC)

Well technically "Yudhoyono" could count as family name now, since it's part of his children name (Agus Harimurti Yudhoyono and Edhie Yudhoyono). Though whatever to remove the hatnote or not is up to consensus. - Ivan530 (Talk) 17:00, 11 June 2026 (UTC)

Assessment of Importance for Indonesian President

I'm being WP:BOLD and set all of Indonesian president to Top Importance for WikiProject Indonesia.

• Sukarno was High Importance
• Suharto was High Importance
• B. J. Habibie was High Importance
• Abdurrahman Wahid was High Importance
• Megawati Sukarnoputri was High Importance
• Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono was High Importance
• Joko Widodo is already in Top Importance (the only one different here)
• Prabowo Subianto was High Importance

According to Wikipedia:WikiProject Indonesia/Assessment for Top Importance articles: Subject is extremely important, even crucial, to its specific field. Reserved for subjects that have achieved international notability within their field.. Since being the president of indonesia would receive international coverages during their tenure, it can be argued that they have international notability. - Ivan530 (Talk) 16:46, 10 May 2026 (UTC)

Any specific reason why Sukarno and Suharto are lower importance than Joko Widodo? If anything, they should be the TOPs? Juxlos (talk) 07:26, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

Absurd right? Well that is why I made this threads in the first place. I set them all as Top Importance after making that post since there is no objection at that time. Not to mention there is only eight of them, and deciding which one is more important than the other would just make it heated discussions. Also there is only 53 articles Category:Top-importance Indonesia articles with presidents included. - Ivan530 (Talk) 07:48, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

well it is possibly fair to say that B. J. Habibie is less important than Suharto and Sukarno, but it's fine for now; we can revisit this in maybe 2100 when there are enough Indonesian Presidents to have too much. Juxlos (talk) 08:11, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

Draft:1998 Indonesian coup d'état attempt

I'm quite surprised this hadn't been made, nor existed even in Indonesian. Might be an interesting article to review/expand. Kaliper¹｜t. 15:28, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

Looks interesting, I didn't know about this coup attempt. I'm on vacation now but someone can feel free to tag me later if it needs attention in being moved to mainspace. Dan Carkner (talk) 22:46, 11 June 2026 (UTC)

RfC: Notability of Regents and Mayors

Should Indonesian regents and mayors (bupati/walikota) qualify for WP:NSUBPOL? Juxlos (talk) 07:48, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

Discussion

Recently, a number of AfD proposals have been opened for Indonesian bupati and walikota (second-level executive officers), e.g. ; ; ; . In most of the delete cases, it's a matter of an undeveloped article, which I believe could have been avoided with a better searching of sources. To non-Indonesian editors, Indonesian bupati and walikota are directly-elected government officials responsible for the administration of regencies and cities respectively; second-level administrative divisions with populations ranging from ~25,000 (Supiori Regency) to ~6 million (Bogor Regency).

In most countries, second-level executive officers do not particularly hold much political power; but I believe that this is not applicable to Indonesia, where these guys are nicknamed "little kings":

• New York Times, 9 July 2024: "The case has highlighted how widespread corruption is at the regional level in Indonesia, where governors, regents and big-city mayors are often called “little kings."
• Jakarta Post, 24 September 2014: "In a bid to curb the abuse of power by local heads, some of whom have become little kings ruling over fiefdoms"
• Decentralization and Economic Performance in Indonesia, 2010: "In Indonesia, the result of these dynamics is the creation of raja kecil (little kings) who are unaccountable to their citizens."

And hold enough power, relative to legislators, that members of the national House of Representatives would resign from their position to run in regional elections for local posts (19 newly elected members did this in 2024, to be exact, excluding incumbents). It feels like the local executives should be as notable as national legislators, if not more, with how much political influence and autonomy they have. Juxlos (talk) 08:07, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

While I haven't formed my opinions on this yet, I'm pretty sure that bupati and walikota before Reform Era (before 1998, especially during New Order) wouldn't be presumed as Notable. - Ivan530 (Talk) 08:35, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

After some research, I believe that bupati and walikota are notable, but not only because of their executive power. The perda legislation that they can create and modify is formally subordinate to higher-level legislation - however, seen that perda can influence a wide range of subjects, even including healthcare and the environment, the "subordinate legislation" designation becomes nearly meaningless.

This breadth is no accident: despite the fact that Indonesia is officially a unitary state, the International Journal of Constitutional Law (see here) describes it as more of a quasi-federal state, in which these officials would hold substantial legislative authority.

Due to the widespread and overarching power in their hands, I believe that bupati and walikota should be notable as per Wikipedia policies. Giovanni Guasconti (talk) 14:40, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

• Comment - I was asked to weigh in on my talk page due to my longstanding contributions to Indonesia-related articles. I tend to believe that most bupati will have enough SIGCOV that they can pass the GNG—especially in today's "always online" world. The power wielded by officials at this level is not directly comparable to those in many Western countries, and the populations they serve are almost always larger than populations of similar polities in other countries. Whether this means an automatic assumption of notability... I couldn't say. I do feel that we should expect any article to have at least enough supporting it that it could stand on its own, whereas automatic notability lends itself to perma-stubs. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 20:30, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

  I was also asked to comment and I think I pretty much agree with your framing of it. Not all of them would be notable enough, but many would and should get similar treatment on Wikipedia to their Western equivalents in systems which are organized differently. Dan Carkner (talk) 03:55, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

Comments

(Summoned by bot) While great for general discussions, this is the wrong venue for attempting to change long standing consensus at AFD. Maybe Village pump for possible submission at WP:Village pump (proposals)? I fully support WikiProjects and I would not want a project to go off on a tangent not supported by the Wikipedia community. WP:POLITICIAN is "part of" the notability guideline Wikipedia:Notability (people), which has had 1,077 editors and 957 watchers since 2003. WP:NSUBPOL is an "explanatory essay about the Wikipedia:Notability (people) guideline", and has had 22 editors since 2022.

• Concerning Similar treatment on Wikipedia to their Western equivalents:

Comparing apples and oranges is not a good example for gaining large support. An MP is an elected lawmaker as opposed to a regent which is an elected chief executive of a local government. A more close comparison would be a council leader or a borough/county mayor in Great Britain, a reeve, mayor, or warden of a lower-tier municipality in Canada, or some (not all) US counties, police juries in Parishes, and Boroughs in Alaska. It varies, but some US counties have an elected county executive. Some parishes a Council-President Form (Home Rule Charters) or a consolidated City-Parish government, where the president holds significant power. These last two are more similar to the regent.

A subject at least needs to pass GNG. I don't think there are a lot of articles on the "regent equivalent" on the English Wikipedia. Significant coverage in reliable and independent sources are required for GNG and not a presumption of notability for the office. As far as crooked politicians and corruption because of power, I don't find this a good argument.

I think the authoritarian dictator Huey P Long was treated too nice. He once stated, "I'm the Constitution around here now". His slogan was "Every Man a King", and there is evidence he acted like one. There weren't "little kings" but there was certainly a "Kingfish". U.S. Representative Billy Tauzin once stated "Half of Louisiana is under water and the other half is under indictment". This often produces "Breaking news" and Wikipedia is not a newspaper. It is ingrained in the voting public in Louisiana, "the devil you know versus the devil you don't". Anyway, the three sources above are about the same thing. While likely great for content, not so much for advancing notability. -- Otr500 (talk) 05:27, 18 June 2026 (UTC)