Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Highlander/Archive 1

Archive 1

HL template and WP Television

I have tagged pretty much every article I could grab with my stubby fingers. I don't think I missed much, but it's still possible.

Other projects about series have listed Wikipedia:WikiProject_Television as their parent project so I had a look there. They suggest projects like us become task forces of WP Television, as explained here. What do you think ?Rosenknospe 15:42, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I think the task force suggestion applies to small shows such as Boy Meets World or The View, and considering Highlander is not confined to only the world of television I believe this WikiProject is appropriate. Stormin' Foreman 16:39, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Highlander character template

The template as it currently stands is too crufty, full of In-Universe stuff that likely doesn't need to be there - stuff that is better explained at length in the article itself. I've marked in bold those categories that I think should remain.

Highlander character

image =

image_size = 300px

highlander = Highlander (franchise) - crufty. they wouldn't be part of the project if they weren't

name =

alias =

race =

gender =

hair =

eyes =

age =

born =

immortalized =

affiliation =

previous_affiliations =

status =

killed_by =

teacher =

teacher_of =

weapons =

watchers =

portrayed =

first =

movies =

seasons =

- Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 06:22, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you on the whole. Beside what you said, the infobox appears far too big on articles. I don't think the "teacher" and "teacher of" field should stay, either. But I feel the need for a "death/deathdate/time of death/whatever" field, and I suggest the "immortalized" field be renamed "first death" as it is called so. Thoughts ? Rosenknospe 14:11, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree, although I think the "status" and "watchers" should be included Stormin' Foreman 18:33, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Why not replace "status" with "deathdate" then ? "Status" only states that someone is "alive" or "deceased" while "deathdate" would give the year, a more accurate information. And if there is no deathdate-- well, then we know they are not dead ;D I don't think we should keep "watchers" though, because except Joe, they're mostly faceless names, so I feel it's too trivial information. No ? Rosenknospe 14:28, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I think if we do that, we run the risk of crufty OR. Take a look at the Harry Potter character pages from a month ago and look at the same pages' infoboxes now (actually, it's a pain in the ass to do that, so I'll make the point). Most people do not know how to say/admit/realize that they don't know something. Given the medium of the internet and the genuine level desire to add stuff, leaving a box open when we cannot be sure of its value opens the door to cruft. It opens it, spikes the door open and breaks the lock and hinges so it cannot be closed again without caterwauling.

We don't know who everyone's watcher is. We don't know what everyone's status or deathdate/demise is. Because we don't - as all the characters are different, that sort of info can be included in the actual article. The infobox is for constant, consistent info that every subject of the wikiproject will possess, like their First Quickening (coming back from death as an Immortal) or their name.

On a side note, I wonder if there is a category/article that collects all the Highlander in-universe terms like Quickening, Gathering and the Rules of the Game. These might be worth merging separate articles fro efficiency's sake. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 19:59, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually, we do know everyone's watchers and status. It's on the Watcher CD/episodes Watcher Chronicles. My point is, we should not include watchers in the infobox because, you're right, it's too crufty, I think so, too. By "deathdate" I don't mean the guy died on March 31, 1992 or something, just 1992. If the "deathdate" field is empty because, say, Amanda is still alive, then it won't appear on the article page at all and shouldn't attract cruft.

The article that collects all those in-universe terms is, I think, Immortal (Highlander). I'm currently pushing it to GA status. I don't think it should be split up at all, it looks fine (for me, anyway ;). I'm actually considering merging Quickening (Highlander) and Watcher (Highlander) with it in a far future. I haven't suggested it yet because I'm not finished with this particular article and can't see yet if it's a good idea. But I still think it's worth considering. Rosenknospe 15:04, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Personally I think that the information is rather nice and helpful, so I actually like it as it is. Can you give an example of what is currently being displayed and what you'd prefer it to look like? -- UKPhoenix79 07:54, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

These are the template categories I think we should be using, and do away with the non-encyclopedic and crufty:

Highlander character

image =

image_size = 300px

highlander = Highlander (franchise) - crufty. they wouldn't be part of the project if they weren't

name =

alias =

race = - this sort of thing is non-encyclopedic, and easily identified by an image (and cannot be used in absence of one)

gender = as above

hair = as above

eyes = as above

age =

Found = - in every instance, Immortals are all Foundlings, not born

immortal =

affiliation = - this is unencyclopedic and cruft, as there are certainly affiliations exisiting outside the scope of the show/film

previous_affiliations= as above

status = this should be covered within the article

killed_by =this should be covered within the article, as well

teacher =

teacher_of =

weapons =cruft. These folk use whatever is handy

watchers = I am torn on this one, as it wasn't something that came into play until the series, three movies later

portrayed =

first =

movies =

seasons =

These crufty things need to go the way of the dinosaur, and right quick, before the number of Highlander characters becomes unwieldy. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 05:47, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I think you can remove the "watcher" field as well. The only significant Watcher is Joe and he will be mentioned in the Duncan MacLeod article, the others are mainly faceless names and so I feel it's crufty as well. About the "age" field : it changes every year, do you think it's manageable ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rosenknospe (talk • contribs) 07:40, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I forgot to sign earlier. The "found" field doesn't show on the articles, maybe you can get a bot to correct them ? Come to think of it, should we name that field "found" at all ? Even foundlings are born from someone, after all. Rosenknospe 07:54, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Such would be the case with normal folk, but where Immortals come from is deliberately left vague in the series. Born is therefore inaccurate, whereas 'found' crystallizes the difference.

As for changing them, I would love to. However, my operating system can't use the bots, so i cannot automate it. If you can, or know someone who can, that would be awesome. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 17:30, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Also, I've tried to adjust the template, and it shows up correctly in the edit screen, but the inforbox categories that appear in the normal page appear unaffected. I am not sure why...- Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 17:40, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry if I'm being picky about that, but I still feel bothered by "found". You're right, we don't know where Immortals come from, but still "born" is the word used in the series. I mean, Duncan says he was born in the Highlands. The Watchers use that word in the chronicles too. "Born" and "found" have different meanings. I understand to be born is to come into existence, while to be found is to be picked up by someone. Immortals all come into existence, I mean there has been a time before, say, Amanda existed, but to be found is a matter of chance. To be born is a biological experience, while to be found is a social one, and I think that field is about biology. My two cents ;D Rosenknospe 08:03, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

No, there's no problem with still talking about it. Consider the fact that we are talking about people who can only be killed if you cut off their head. I mean, we've seen some pretty horrific ways in which they take a dirt nap. We have to keep in mind that the Highlander logic isn't completely solid. A great deal of it appears to be magical in nature - no one pulls a sword out of a short jacket unless it's in a very uncomfortable sheath (ouch!). Since logic isn't a part of it, applying logic to it isn't appropriate. Connor and Duncan were foundlings, and anytime the subject is brought up, the word birth is used vaguely - but the words and descriptions of being found are continuous and unchanging. Where do baby immortals come from? I don't know. Maybe they come from an immortal stork. In the absence of confirmation, we have to go fromt he info given us. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 19:16, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I've fixed the template. You won't believe it, but there was a "=" not in line with the others, and that's what jammed the whole thing ! Also, I've fixed the syntax display. The syntax is actually hidden at Template:Highlander_character/Syntax so I've modified it and now it's showing ;D Rosenknospe 11:24, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Where the hell was it? - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 19:16, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

It's there. Scroll to the bottom of the box and check the 4th "=". Now it toes the line, hee hee :D Rosenknospe 15:17, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Could you point me to some sources for the words and descriptions of being found ? Especially for Connor, because I said in Immortal (Highlander) that he's never said to be a foundling, so if I messed up, I need a source. I must admit I find it hard to ignore the "I/He was born four hundred years ago in the Highlands of Scotland" that begin each episode, or the Watcher chronicle of every Immortal beginning with "Born". I mean, if it's their words, why don't we use them ? On the other hand, to be born and to be found don't exclude each other, so I guess my line of thinking it that they are born first and then found, while yours is that we don't know what happens first, and then they're found. Am I right ? Rosenknospe 15:26, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Featured list

List of Highlander: The Raven episodes is now a Featured list ! ♫ Dam, dam dam ♪ :D Rosenknospe 11:55, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

List of Highlander: The Raven episodes is now featured in the Wikipedia Signpost ! Rosenknospe 16:12, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Something to kick this Project off

We just got tagged as inactive, so in order to keep this place busy I suggest once a month (or week, or whatever) we choose an article to improve (at least to GA status if at all possible) Suggestions? Comments? Feedback? Stormin' Foreman (talk) 01:09, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I feel Tessa Noel is nearly good enough for GA. It needs a bit more outside references, a good pruning of the citations that are there (I like to have the original text under my eyes until it's time for the final copyediting) and a real good picture because we won't be able to keep the three ones that are there. So if you feel the need ;D Rosenknospe (talk) 17:21, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Timeline issues

Hi, I just read across the various timeline pages. Apparently their talk pages are all blank, so I put my remark here. These timelines seem to be somewhat incomplete. Specifically, there seem to be very few references to season 3 events. Is this work in progress ? Wefa (talk) 03:55, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm concerned as to the lack of a Connor timeline. Unless there is some reason I don't see one, I'll get to work on it. Hooper (talk) 22:21, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Start-of-the-year sweep

Well, as it's time to get back to work and you asked for it ;D Here's something we could do :

I intend to make a massive cleanup on Highlander pages, which is why I bring the discussion here rather than on the particular pages; there are too many of them. I want to make redirects of all articles on immortals that appear only once, be it in a movie or a serie (animated or not). Those redirects would point to a projected List of Highlander characters, of which there is a draft in my sandbox to see and discuss and make better. (Please ;). There those characters would be briefly described.

I list here the pages I feel should be kept :

• Connor MacLeod
• Ramirez
• Heather MacLeod, not sure if we can keep her, but she appears in two movies
• Rachel Ellenstein, not sure if we can keep her, but she appears in two movies
• Duncan MacLeod
• Joe Dawson
• Methos
• Richie Ryan
• Tessa Noel
• Charlie DeSalvo, though at the moment I don't have much sources on him, not sure if he can stay
• Anne Lindsey, same as Charlie
• Darius (already a GA ;)
• Xavier St. Cloud, I couldn't find much on him either, maybe he'll have to go
• Amanda
• Hugh Fitzcairn
• James Horton
• Maurice, listed here only because he's in a lot of episodes, but I don't have much on him either
• Kronos, Caspian and Silas, not sure if they can stay as separate articles because of lack of sources, we might have to merge them to Four Horsemen instead.

Everyone else doesn't deserve their own article, in my opinion, because they are non-notable and fail WP:NOTABILITY, and because there is no way whatsoever to make GAs from them without sources.

This merge would likewise affect several lists that would also become redirects:

• Characters of Highlander Movies
• Characters of Highlander Series
• List of Highlander Books Minor Immortals
• List of Highlander Immortals
• List of Highlander Watchers
• List of Highlander movies minor Immortals
• List of Highlander series minor Immortals

So, guys, what do you think ? I eagerly welcome and await comments, ideas, criticism, etc. Please go ahead. Rosenknospe (talk) 17:40, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

It's been five days... No opposes ? OK, I'm going for it. Rosenknospe (talk) 14:27, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

It makes sense. Though wait on Charlie/Maurice/et. al. all the other people that I also agree should be kept. I'll do a source search as well to see if we can make them better as their own article. Hooper (talk) 22:17, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

No worries, take all the time you need. I'm concentrating on the articles that are not in the list and you won't believe how many of them there are ;D Rosenknospe (talk) 11:28, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Let me know if you need any help Rosen.  Stormin' Foreman ^{Got something to say?} 12:17, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Foreman, I'm fine. I actually enjoy this, y'know ;D *slashes at another bad-behaving article* Rosenknospe (talk) 16:55, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Trying to up your Quickening count,"Kell"? :-P (j/k)  Stormin' Foreman ^{Got something to say?} 18:14, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

LOL Rosenknospe (talk) 08:47, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Award

Like I said the other day, nothing to do at work + internet access = way too much time on the ole Wiki. I got to playing around with WikiProject Awards and made this. You guys feel free to alter it and vote for something good so we can then reward those of you who deserve it. The code is located at User:HooperBandP/Sandbox2 if you wish to edit it and make it pretty. Its just very rough and basically a starter layout at moment, so feel free to change the image and rename and reword it and all that. Hooper (talk) 05:45, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

User:HooperBandP/Sandbox2

Unfortunaltly fair use pics can not be used anywhere else but articles themselves. Give me a couple of days and I'll see if I can find a free version of the MacLeod claymore.  Stormin' Foreman ^{Got something to say?} 13:28, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

What about using the clan tartan, as seen on Clan MacLeod? Just a thought. Hooper (talk) 16:57, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Highlander (Dynamite Entertainment)

Guys, Highlander (Dynamite Entertainment) is tagged for deletion. The discussion is at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Highlander_(Dynamite_Entertainment). A good way to help our case would be to improve the article, add references, etc... Rosenknospe (talk) 16:55, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm trying to find information on the two trade paperbacks that were released to furthur the article. But other than the official dynamite site there isn't much other than speculation about before they were released. Just a heads up if anyone else knows anything about it. Hooper (talk) 17:58, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

I love our local Suncoast

They put The Source out a week and a day early. I even was honest and told them, and they still let met buy it. Nothing Wiki-related, just had to tell people who would care. Hooper (talk) 03:52, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

And to note: DVD was alot different than the SciFi or other region versions. Some for the better, most for the worst. Hooper (talk) 14:43, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Another Featured List

Rosenknospe (left) after 29 days of waiting at FLC. A fellow editor (right) stands in line waiting for the result of her own FLC.

Highlander WikiProject members celebrate the success of another FLC. Their meeting is graced by the presence of Methos, who drinks from the biggest beer mug.

After 29 days, 18 hours and 37 minutes of unbearable suspense...

Highlander: The Series (season 1) is a Featured List !

♫ "I'm a man that will go far, fly the moon and reach for the stars" la la la ♪

So what can I tell you... Bring on the beers !

Cheers, Rosenknospe (talk) 09:16, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Amazing work. What list is next? Hooper (talk) 15:29, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm planning to do season 2, but first I want to make Tessa Noel a GA, and it needs to be knocked into shape. And frankly, see how I look like ? I need some rest ! ;D In the meanwhile, don't be shy, take a seat and join in the fun ! And oh, have a beer, there's plenty in the fridge ;D Rosenknospe (talk) 07:14, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Media franchises

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List of multimedia franchises

I have decided to tackle the creation of a single comprehensive List of multimedia franchises. If you feel that Highlander is an appropriate addition to this list, please add it, with links to the supporting media. Cheers! bd2412 T 19:23, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

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Application of the new Highlander Template

Gah! all of them, done by hand, using the following template:

{{Highlander character
| image = |
| name = |Grayson
| alias = |Claudianus
| age =  |+ 1800
| found = |
| immortal = |178 A.D,fighting invading Goths
| teacher = |Darius
| teacher_of = | 
| portrayer = |
| first = |
| movies = | 
| seasons = |
|}}

Wow. All of them by hand ! That is awesome. Excellent job ! *hands Arcayne some salve to soothe his aching fingers* Rosenknospe 07:21, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Highlander: The Source character articles

Should any of the new characters deserve an article?--SGCommand (talk • contribs) 17:37, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I should think so, as this is canon, at least, far more canon than any of that animated garbage. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 17:52, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

In that case, who should vonenteer creating the articles (since I have not yet seen the film)?--SGCommand (talk • contribs) 19:51, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure... We dont have much background info on the characters. There was no flashbacks scenes in The Source.. All present day scenes Stormin' Foreman 19:58, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Surely the characters can be expanded upon?--SGCommand (talk • contribs) 20:09, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I think there is an article for minor characters in the Highlander universe (and if not, there shoulkd be, as this would really be a one-stop shopping solution for a lot of the readers). Why not put it there? If we learn more, the entry for the character will expand into its own article, if the new information is 3-D enough to warrant its own article. Honestly, I think that might be a better solution, as a weak, stand-alone article is ripe for beheading...er, deletion, I mean. ;) - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 20:51, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

You are correct Arcayne. That list is here. Stormin' Foreman 21:03, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

There are also List of Highlander Books Minor Immortals, List of Highlander Immortals, List of Highlander Watchers and List of Highlander series minor Immortals if you feel in the mood of killing cruft. By the way Arcayne, you archived our discussion but you forgot to answer the question I asked last Friday, do you care to do it now ? Thanks. Rosenknospe 17:43, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

I added the characters in the film list and am removing the character list in the film, Okay?--SGCommand (talk • contribs) 20:08, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I had completely forgotten the question, and had to look at the archives for a reminder. Here was the post in question:

Could you point me to some sources for the words and descriptions of being found ? Especially for Connor, because I said in Immortal (Highlander) that he's never said to be a foundling, so if I messed up, I need a source. I must admit I find it hard to ignore the "I/He was born four hundred years ago in the Highlands of Scotland" that begin each episode, or the Watcher chronicle of every Immortal beginning with "Born". I mean, if it's their words, why don't we use them ? On the other hand, to be born and to be found don't exclude each other, so I guess my line of thinking it that they are born first and then found, while yours is that we don't know what happens first, and then they're found. Am I right ? Rosenknospe 15:26, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Again, sorry for not answering this when asked. I was dealing with a big bag of crazy in another article at the time, and got sidetracked.

To answer your question, I think that Duncan (and others) are very like human babies in that they don't remember their births or origins, and are given the info from those who find and take them in. Some will claim to be their parents and some will simply parent them, letting them know they were foundlings. In each instance in the series and films where the topic comes up, they are foundlings (in one episode, it was suggested that they were changelings, left by the elves, which only convolutes the origins all the more). Since Watchers don't watch everyone, and concentrate on those Immorals who begin taking heads, they cannot speak with certainty as to whether immortals are born, found, or carved out of wood by a very tired Gepetto. Who knows? Pinocchio or Jesus might just be Immortals themselves. lol. Seriously, they assume that because they look human, they must be born the regular way., However, they cannot have children, so Immortal babies don't come from Immoprtal parents. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 20:46, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

That's okay :D I think Gepetto did quite a good job with Duncan, even if he was tired. :D Rosenknospe 11:12, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I just saw the film last night - what an utter pile of rubbish. While not quite as bad as Highlander 2 (and really, only those Batman films done by Schumacher deserve that distinction), it was an eye-rolling example of style over substance. It was like Highlander was crossed with The Fountain and any direct to DVD apocalyptic dredge. And the Guardian - gosh, do all European actors chew the scenery and ham up their lines as much as the actor did?

this movie was the entertainment equivalent of Taco Bell - eat it, and pray that you don't catch anything before it passes through you. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 02:37, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Couldn't agree more. I've seen both versions and both should have been completely, re-written and re-filmed. The DVD version of Endgame was actually really good and the Celtic score was a beautiful touch. It took from the best elements of the TV series and went from there... yes it did have its problems and could have done with the TV series writers putting the finishing touches on the script but it was still very good... This one was horrid from beginning to end... And don't get me started on the soundtrack <<yuck>> -- UKPhoenix79 07:00, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

We are talking about Source, not Endgame (which was particularly vile in its own speacial way - and solid evidence that Panzer/Davis have long since surrendered the right to operate anything more complicated than a pudding cup and spork) For me, a little bit of my soul died when the Guardian starts badly singing Queen tunes from the first movie. Some in-jokes are truly kneecapping offenses. This guardian guy apparenlty is up on all pop cuclture, despite the fact that he spends all of his time living in an interstellar litter box. Don't even get me started on the short-attention-span editing. Grrr. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 21:40, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Created (Guardian) Highlander

EDIT: I created Guardian (Highlander). Please help us expand upon it.--SGCommand (talk • contribs) 20:08, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Image provenance

(cross-posted from the Connor McLeod Article here)

I am a bit concerned that the press photo for the series showing Paul/Lambert

has been licensed as a free image released by the copyholder. A closer look at the uploading indicate it was taken from a MySpace page of someone named "Donut", who I am guessing wasn't closely associated with any aspect of the series aside from watching it on tv. I am afraid this image is facing speedy removal for improper licensing. I am noticing this license side-stepping popping up more and more, but then it could just be due to me learning more about them.

I am thinking we might want to go over all the images (in all the Highlander articles) and make sure of the licensing. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 22:12, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Most of them are listed at Category:Highlander screenshots. Have a nice day. Rosenknospe 11:19, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for checking. Wait...most of them? Which ones weren't? - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 21:57, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, actually it was a manner of speaking as I was not sure if all HL screenshots were actually in this category. If all of them are, that's excellent, but I haven't checked ;D Rosenknospe 10:42, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Trilogy

I'd say its safe to assume that there won't be a trilogy and the source is stand alone, but you don't assume on wikipedia, so has anyone found anything online discussing this since The Source's release? Hooper (talk) 19:47, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Start-of-the-year sweep (end)

Okay, I'm done (since last week actually, but what with this AfD and other things... ;). Here are the character articles I've kept, with my comments :

• Ahriman (Highlander)
• Amanda (Highlander)
• Anne Lindsey : not much on her, don't know if she should stay
• Caspian (Highlander) : should he be merged with Four Horsemen ?
• Charlie DeSalvo : not much on him, don't know if he should stay
• Connor MacLeod
• Darius (Highlander)
• Duncan MacLeod
• Four Horsemen (Highlander) : should it stay or be divided into the respective Horsemen articles ?
• Heather MacLeod : not much on her, but features in two movies
• Hugh Fitzcairn
• James Horton
• Joe Dawson
• Juan Sánchez Villa-Lobos Ramírez
• Kronos (Highlander) : should he be merged with Four Horsemen ?
• Maurice (Highlander) : not much on him, don't know if he should stay
• Methos
• Nick Wolfe : I kept him as a second thought, but much work needed on this one
• Rachel Ellenstein : not much on her, but features in two movies
• Richie Ryan (Highlander)
• Silas (Highlander) : should he be merged with Four Horsemen ?
• Tessa Noël
• The Kurgan : kept on second thought, but not sure if he should stay... hey... he's... looking at me...
• Xavier St. Cloud : not much on him, don't know if he should stay

Well then, everyone's up for grabs, you know the drill, it's GA or bust ! Of course you have all the time in the world to do this, and I have updated the to-do list on the main page to highlight the most urgent work. Happy editing ! Rosenknospe (talk) 14:00, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Card Game

Sorry, not much to do at work today so I've been wiki'n away, came across this very rough page: Highlander: The Card Game. Anyone know anything more about the old games? Hooper (talk) 21:45, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Comics and Game

Several new or still-unmade articles are being worked on. Any help or assesment is valuable. These include the Highlander: The Game article, the two Dyname Ent. Comic Book articles, and once some more information gets released Owen MacLeod, the main character of the game. If he is a MacLeod I'd say he deserves a page. Hooper (talk) 15:22, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, if you can find information about how the game designers found him out, developed his character, designed his appearance, and how much money was used in the process, and the public reception, and so on, then yes, he deserves his own page. A good article contains a lot of out-of-universe information. Rosenknospe (talk) 16:48, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm guessing we won't have enough info till either after the game is out or near it. Best to wait. Hooper (talk) 20:46, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree. Also, I hope you won't mind if I remove OwenMacLeod'd redlink from the template until then, but people are currently mistaking him for Colin MacLeod. Rosenknospe (talk) 14:39, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, go for it. Jumped the gun. I'll have the second comic page up today with good refs and I'll correct the ref on the first one. Hooper (talk) 17:08, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Now that you mention it though, why doesn't Colin have his own page? Is there a particular reason or is it just one of those no-ones-got-around-to-it things? Hooper (talk) 20:17, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

In response to myself, I now have in my sandbox User:HooperBandP/Sandbox a possible page for Colin if he is deemed worthy and notable enough. Any assistance is appreciated. Hooper (talk) 19:25, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, I'd say the biggest problem is, you haven't any reliable source for your article yet, and to answer your question, that's why I redirected it in the first place. The article was a proposed merge months ago diff. Unless you can prove Colin had an impact on the real world, I'm afraid he won't keep his own page very long. Tell you what, I suggest you work on the Highlander: The Search For Vengeance article, and if you find enough stuff on Colin on your way, you can improve your sandbox article. I admit I don't have much hope, though, but if you can prove me wrong - please do ! Rosenknospe (talk) 09:03, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah reading thru that merge I see what everyone is saying. I'll keep the sandbox for a while in case I do find stuff but I'd say its about right about just having the one page for the movie and thats all. I'll keep looking though, just cause I got the time to kill. Hooper (talk) 15:36, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Franchise naming convention discussion at WikiProject Media franchises

Dear WikiProject Highlander participants...WikiProject Media franchises is currently discussing a naming convention for franchise articles. Since this may affect one or more articles in your project, we would like to get the opinions of all related projects before implimenting any sweeping changes. Please come and help us decide. Thanks! LA (T) @ 22:42, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Highlander: The Game

Was recently removed off pre-order lists and the release date(s) where revoked. Trying to find some sources to ref for the article. Any help is appreciated. Hooper (talk) 15:55, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

I have added some but couldn't find much. Looks like the game is pretty doomed at the moment, from where I'm standing. Rosenknospe (talk) 12:00, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Sadly I think you're right. They refunded my pre-order (wasn't even going to play it, but wanted it for the collection). I guess I'd actually have to be immortal to see it released eventually. Such is the life of a Highlander fan though. Still waiting on the other two films in the Source trilogy.......... But back to wikiness, thanks for trying. Hooper (talk) 14:43, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

New DVD

Highlander: Reunion . Anyone know anymore about this? Hooper (talk) 21:20, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm... Didn't they do that for a Highlander Worldwide convention ? Or something. ;D No, sorry, I don't know anything about it. Have a nice day, Rosenknospe (talk) 20:47, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Another Comic Coming

Just a head's up on this comic coming in February. Hooper (talk) 03:27, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Highlander character infobox

Hello, there. I'm going to list Tessa Noel for GAC in the close future, and I noticed the Template:Highlander character infobox doesn't work for mortal characters. Compare for example Tessa and Darius:

{{Highlander character | image = (Fair use images not allowed here) | image_size = 240px | name = Tessa Noël | age = 35 (at time of death) | born = {{birth date|1958|8|24|mf=y}}, [[Lille]], [[France]] | portrayer = [[Alexandra Vandernoot]] | first = "[[Highlander: The Series (season 1)#ep01|The Gathering]]" | seasons = [[List of Highlander episodes#Season 1: 1992-1993|1]], [[List of Highlander episodes#Season 2: 1993-1994|2]], [[List of Highlander episodes#Season 4: 1995-1996|4]], [[List of Highlander episodes#Season 6: 1997-1998|6]] |}}

{{Highlander character | name = Darius | image = (Fair use images not allowed here) | image_size = 220px | age = 2123 (at time of death) | found = 130 B.C, [[Ural Mountains]] | immortal = 92 B.C | teacher = Ahasuerus the Parthian | teacher_of = Grayson, [[Duncan MacLeod]] | portrayer = [[Werner Stocker (actor)|Werner Stocker]] | first = "''[[Highlander: The Series (season 1)#ep13|Band of Brothers]]''" | status = Deceased (1993) | seasons = [[List of Highlander episodes#Season 1: 1992-1993|1]] |}}

(Right, the boxes display in a strange way for some reason, but bear with me, okay?)

Note that the "Found" parameter doesn't work for Tessa. It's a parameter intended for immortal characters and thus doesn't display here, which leads to information loss (Tessa's dates are here, but don't show). Though at this time I cannot guarantee I can make a GA of either Charlie DeSalvo or Maurice Lalonde, we'll need the template at least for Joe Dawson, so it has to work for everyone.

So, what I propose would be that the "age" and "found" parameters be dropped and be replaced by "birth date" and "death date" parameters, showing their respectives dates of birth and/or death. This would have the additional advantage of enabling us to use Template:birth date and age and Template:death date and age where applicable, thus displaying the age without the need of a parameter and automating the age count in the process instead of people having to do it by hand every year.

I'm not sure we need the "alias" and "watchers" parameters either, because they look rather crufty to me, but I'm open to your comments.

I also think we could replace the "movies" and "seasons" parameters by a single "appearances" parameter where we could list the works in which the character appeared. That would be in my opinion more simple of use.

The new box would look something like this:

Highlander character
(Fair use images not allowed here)
Darius
Born	130 B.C
Immortality	92 B.C
Died	1993 AD
Mentor	Ahasuerus the Parthian
Pupils	Duncan MacLeod
Portrayed by	Werner Stocker
Appearances	"Band of Brothers", "For Tomorrow We Die", "The Beast Below", "Saving Grace", "The Hunters"

This template has been discussed before; in this discussion Arcayne introduced the term "Found" for Immortals because they are supposed to be all orphans and thus found on a certain date, but we don't know when they are born. I would like to stress out that I'm not discussing this point again here. Independently of whether Immortals are foundlings or not, I'm trying to make this template work for all characters, immortals and mortals, on a technical point of view, which is why I deemed the word "born" more practical in my proposal.

Questions ? Comments ? Thoughts ? Let's start the discussion ! Have a nice day, Rosenknospe (talk) 11:54, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

It was months ago when the 'birth vs. found' discussion was made, and I've had ample time to reflect upon it. I have come the conclusion that the discussion of a lot of this is rather non-notable and crufty, not to mention a bit of synthesis. Unless someone is quoting a notable source we are not privy to here, the date of death is being extrapolated from the broadcast date of the episode, and we have no basis to determine dates within the episodes. We are also extrapolating the age for the characters (with the exception of those whose age is stated in the episode/film in which they meet final death).

I appreciate the attention to detail offered by Rosenknospe, but I am thinking that the dates are as largely superfluous and unnecessary as is the coloring of the infobox. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 14:40, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Rosen always does great work, and I support whatever decisions he may make in regards to this. Hooper (talk) 22:40, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind words, both of you. Arcayne, you are absolutely right to ask for reliable sources, and in this case the dates are provided in the Watcher chronicles on the DVDs of each season of the series. This is where I got the ones for Darius and Tessa. Darius' dates are actually referenced in his article, I just removed them when I copied the box here because there are no reference list on this page. The chronicles count as DVD bonus material, which are widely accepted as sources for Featured Articles, see for example Khan Noonien Singh, Jack Sparrow and Bart Simpson. So I think we can safely use them as sources here. I hope this addresses your objection. I have no opinion about the coloring and no objection if it is dropped. Have a nice day, Rosenknospe (talk) 14:20, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

So you are saying that the DVD sections deliver exactly this info as to birth and death? What I mean is, are we taking the date of death from the date of broadcast, or from an actual dating which indicates such? If its the former, my original reticence remains. If it is cited (and I agree that citing video is acceptable, so long as it can be verified), then there isn't really a problem.

And I am glad that we are of a mind to remove the infobox coloring. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 19:19, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the info actually comes from the bonus material on the DVD, not from any extrapolation from the episode. For example, on my copy of Highlander season one (Anchor Bay Entertainment, 2001), the bonus material includes a page about Tessa, describing her character, that she is an artist and MacLeod's lover, etc., and which very clearly says, "Born : 24 August 1958", and then "Shot and killed in a random mugging incident 23 October 1993." (As a side note, the episode where she died actually first aired on October 18, 1993.)

So can I assume that we have a consensus ? Have a nice day, Rosenknospe (talk) 13:24, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

I think so, yes. Make sure to cite each date appropriately, though. Someone will almost assuredly attack the veracity of it otherwise. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 15:50, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Remake

Should we start preparing for the remake at all? I'm sure a lot of incorrect information is going to continue being placed on the wiki about it. Hooper (talk) 00:29, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Request for comment on Biographies of living people

Hello Wikiproject! Currently there is a discussion which will decide whether wikipedia will delete 49,000 articles about a living person without references, here:

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people

Since biographies of living people covers so many topics, nearly all wikiproject topics will be effected.

The two opposing positions which have the most support is:

1. supports the deletion of unreferenced articles about a living person, User:Jehochman
2. opposes the deletion of unreferenced articles about a living person, except in limited circumstances, User:Collect

Comments are welcome. Keep in mind that by default, editor's comments are hidden. Simply press edit next to the section to add your comment.

Please keep in mind that at this point, it seems that editors support deleting unreferenced article if they are not sourced, so your project may want to pursue source these articles as soon as possible. See the next, message, which may help..

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List of cleanup articles for your project

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Moving unreferenced blp articles to a special "incubation pages"

If you are interested in moving unreferenced blp articles to a special "incubation page", contact me, User talk:Ikip

Watchlisting all unreferenced articles

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Ikip 02:20, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Redirect

Whats with the redirect and deleting some of the original character's pages? I tried to get the page of Sean Burns up from wikipedia and it redirected me to a two line summary of the character. There was tons of other information on Sean and his backstory, I believe. Please fix up and repair the page for sean burns.

67.167.21.138 (talk) 04:09, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

I redirected that article as part of the start-of-the-year sweep (see above) because there was not enough out-of-universe information from reliable third party sources. This includes things like, why was Michael J. Jackson chosen for this role, how did he envision it, what was the function of the character, how was the job made, what did they change, how did they work together, what the audience said about it, did the character have an influence on the series, etc. It is really difficult to find this kind of information for a recurring character and so I couldn't keep the article. Please see Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) for more details. Have a nice day, Rosenknospe (talk) 14:49, 1 March 2008 (UTC)