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Disambiguation Help

Okay, so I just wrote an article about a defunct regional airline in Alaska called "Air North" and inadvertently ran headlong into a disambiguation problem: there's so many Air Norths! I went into it knowing that an active Canadian airline by the same name existed, so I named the new article "Air North (United States)". However, I come to find out that there was another defunct American airline named Brockway Air that used to use the name as well. So, "(United States)" is no longer a sufficient disambiguation. (In fact, "Air North (US)" links to it.) Then throw in that there's an active Australian airline called Airnorth another active airline in Alaska called Northern Air Cargo and another active airline in Canada called Canadian North! Then, as if just to drive the problem home, I come across this anecdote from a newspaper article while researching the first one that explained I wasn't the first one to deal with this problem:

And they almost had to cancel plans again recently because of difficulty in obtaining an appropriate name for the new airline.

"If you've ever tried to name an airline in this era of deregulation, I'll tell you it's one of the most difficult tasks you will ever run into because you have to have a name no one else has. There are literally thousands of air taxi services, feeder airlines, and major airlines that have names and trying to find a name that is somewhat descriptive of what you are doing and meets your communication needs, that's difficult," said Bergt.
"We wanted a name that didn't have to be reduced to initials so you had to tell people what the initials meant and then what the airline did.["]
"So after months of haggling, fighting and fussing and searching and consulting, we finally came up with the name North Air. It was really nobody's first choice[,] but it was one we thought would work. We had to worry about one airline called Air North based here in Fairbanks. We called Air North and told them we wanted to change our name to North Air and they said there wase [sic] 'no problem.'["]
"So we settled on North Air and printed all of our media things with North Air and then one day we got a call from Charlie Cole saying we were being sued by a company called Northern Air Cargo over our name.["]
"I said you've got to be kidding and I called the chairman of Northern Air Cargo to discuss the matter with him[,] but as soon as the girl answered the telephone "Northern Air" I knew we were in trouble.
"That left us with only three days to change the name of the airline. We went back to the drawing board, but every name we came up with didn't meet our tests or was a name that was not available.["] "About two weeks ago on a Friday evening, and we had to have a new name for the airline by Monday morning, I was sitting in my living room with one of my bankers when the door bell rang. My wife answered it and she came back saying it was just "Mark" and he had come looking for Brian. The banker said, 'That's it, MarkAir, and that's how we named the airline.'["]

"Brian" is Bergt's 19-year-old son, a freshman at the University of Alaska. And "Mark" is one of Brian Bergt's friends, approximately the same age, of San Diego.

— Snapp, Tom (20 January 1984). "MarkAir". The Pioneer. p. 16. Retrieved 6 July 2025.

So, how the heck do we handle this mess? My vote is for:

• Air North – to disambiguation page
• Air North (Alaska) – defunct Alaskan airline
• Air North (Canada) – active Canadian airline
• Air North (United States) – to disambiguation page
• Air North (US) – to disambiguation page

...with the disambiguation page listing the above plus Brockway Air, Canadian North and Northern Air Cargo. –Noha307 (talk) 19:45, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

I was unaware of this thread before recently making some bold moves of the articles in question. Air North remains the title of the Canadian airline and the primary topic; see others at Air North (disambiguation). 162 etc. (talk) 19:36, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Egyptair#Requested move 8 November 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Egyptair#Requested move 8 November 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 06:44, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

RSN on FR24, FlightConnections and Flights From

Morning all (or good timezone) - I've started a discussion at WP:RSN#Flightconnections, Flightradar24 and FlightsFrom - reliable to verify airline routes? for the three sources listed, for the simple reason that there's been a bit of back and forth between various editors on numerous talk pages, so I felt it was time to get a consensus one way or the other at the appropriate venue. Just to note that I'm not trying to get them deprecated, rather I just want clarity on whether they're reliable or not for the sake of stopping the arguments. Danners430 _{tweaks made} 11:18, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

Discussion about WikiProject banner templates

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Joining

Do I need to specifically list something or do I have to sign up to be here? I want to partake in Wikiproject Airlines but I'm not sure if I can do it on a temp account.... ~2025-38174-90 (talk) 01:12, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

I think it's preferably better if you create an account. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 01:28, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Proposed merge of 2025 IndiGo disruption into IndiGo

See Talk:IndiGo#Proposed merge of 2025 IndiGo disruption into IndiGo. Thanks. 10mmsocket (talk) 11:12, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

List of airline destinations in airport articles

Would this be a proper place to discuss the airline destination chart in most airport articles. There are some destinations that are listed under the main airline brand even though they are operated by an affiliated regional airline / commuter airline. I believe the proper method would be to list, for example, a city under "United Express" instead of "United Airline", if operated by Skywest as United Express. Vanguardnew (talk) 20:40, 1 January 2026 (UTC)

A new member message

Good morning everyone. I'm relatively new to WP English. I come from WP Italy, which I had to leave due to numerous disagreements with some members and even a couple of administrators. I'm Italian and live and work in Italy. I started following commercial aviation at the age of 16 (!!!). Civil aircraft have been my great passion, and still are... Professionally, I edited a monthly aviation magazine and later collaborated with various other tourism and transport periodicals. I've written countless reports and published directories on regional airlines, charter airlines, and Italian airports. I worked for four years at the Rome airports operating company, then for 13 years at what was the largest Italian aerospace company between 1980 and 1995. I was also part of the joint Italian-French team that managed the ATR 42/72 program. I'm currently retired but continue to follow commercial aviation passionately. I have a vast archive of printed matters, photographs, and books on civil/commercial aviation. In recent years, along with several other professionals, I created a website dedicated to the tourist attractions of Tuscany, my home region. I know English language quite well and French fairly well. I would be delighted to connect with other members who share my interests and might be interested in collaborating. Settignano (talk) 14:20, 1 May 2026 (UTC)

You are doing really good work on Italian airline articles. Keep it up and thank you. 10mmsocket (talk) 14:26, 1 May 2026 (UTC)

Thank you very much indeed! Settignano (talk) 13:21, 2 May 2026 (UTC)