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The purpose of this discussion page is to select 50,000 topics for which Wikipedia should have high-quality articles.

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Swap Shirakawa, Gifu (village) ◎ 5 with Historic Villages of Shirakawa-gō and Gokayama 

Shirakawa, Gifu (village) owes its fame solely to the World Heritage Site Historic Villages of Shirakawa-gō and Gokayama that it contains. Apart from this, there is nothing particularly special about this village of just over one thousand inhabitants.

Support

1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 15:18, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
2. Shirakawa, Gifu has more editors (146 vs 119) and pageviews in last 30 days (5,348 vs 2,221) but fewer iwikis (24 vs 37); the second sentence of the former article (in both English and Japanese) says "It is best known for being the site of Shirakawa-gō". ARoseThorn (talk) 15:27, 13 May 2026 (UTC)

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Remove Namche Bazaar ◎ 5

This small mountain village with just over a thousand people has gained a bit of fame because it is a village of the Sherpa people . Yet our Level 5 list does not even include the Sherpa people.

Support

1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 20:04, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

   Per above, and I think Everest base camps  is more significant. Melozone crissalis (talk) 20:15, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

   No longer supporting addition or removal. The village itself is an important settlement near Mt. Everest. Melozone crissalis (talk) 04:40, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

2. Swap with Everest base camps . ChaoticVermillion (converse, contribs) 12:48, 2 March 2026 (UTC)
3. Support swap with Everest base camps; it's more general, and also has far more editors (527 vs 216) and views in the past 30 days (15,290 vs 3,380), though it has fewer iwikis (30 vs 25). ARoseThorn (talk) 15:30, 13 May 2026 (UTC)
4. Support - at first glance base camps don't feel vital, and I have't checked which "peoples" we list or don't and the size and history or each, but my instinct say Sherpa people feels like a better article to have... around 300K people but pretty relevant.  Carlwev  05:32, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Oppose add Everest base camps, it's merely a camp, not a settlement at all. Besides, there has never been a tradition of adding mountain camps to the Level 5 list.飞车过大关 (talk) 19:28, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

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Swap Chaoshan ◎ 5 with China proper 

"Chaoshan" is merely a collective name for Jieyang ◎ 5, Chaozhou ◎ 5, and Shantou ◎ 5—an area roughly equivalent to a big single prefecture-level city in China. As a small regional entity, it is no is no more significant than the ancestral home of the Teochew people  in Minnan region . The so-called "Chaoshan culture " and "Chaoshan cuisine " are in fact variants of Hokkien culture  and Fujian cuisine . By contrast, "China proper" (汉地) has 30 interwiki links and represents a major regional concept in China, on par with Manchuria ◎ 4, Tibet ◎ 4, and Xinjiang ◎ 4.

Support

1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 15:31, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

   Neutral on addition. I agree with KhaiDo, and just because a concept has a broad scope doesn't mean it necessarily belongs on the Level 5 list.飞车过大关 (talk) 20:24, 1 May 2026 (UTC)

2. Support removal, neutral on addition. I'm hesitant to equate purely geopolitical terms with actual geographical regions. We don't list stuff like Mainland China . KhaiDo (talk) 09:51, 1 May 2026 (UTC)

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Remove Special Region of Yogyakarta ◎ 5 or Yogyakarta ◎ 4

The narrative focus of the two articles is relatively similar, I believe only one article needs to be retained.

Support

1. Only support remove Special Region of Yogyakarta.飞车过大关 (talk) 15:49, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
2. Remove the special region. ChaoticVermillion (converse, contribs) 12:47, 2 March 2026 (UTC)
3. It seems obvious to me that one should be removed. Just from reading the articles, the capital of the administrative region seems much more important than the administrative region; the article for the Special Region largely focuses on its titular capital. Support removal of Special Region of Yogyakarta. ARoseThorn (talk) 04:47, 16 May 2026 (UTC)

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1. • Yogyakarta:
     • 89 iwikis
     • 1,885,994 lifetime views (daily average 476)
     • 139 watchers, 374 editors
   • Special Region of Yogyakarta:
     • 66 iwikis
     • 687,534 lifetime views (daily average 303)
     • 108 watchers, 303 editors ARoseThorn (talk) 04:47, 16 May 2026 (UTC)

Removing minor Antarctic bodies of water

Remove Hope Bay, Antarctica 

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Less than 6km long. The only thing that would arguably make it notable enough for VA5 is the Hope Bay incident , but that's not even VA5.

Support

1. As nom. ChaoticVermillion (converse, contribs) 23:37, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
2. Per nom. I have made a proposal to reduce the physical geography quota by 50. Melozone crissalis (talk) 00:19, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
3. 飞车过大关 (talk) 05:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
4. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:25, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

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Remove Antarctic Sound ◎ 5

Separates the Antarctic Peninsula ◎ 4 from the Joinville Island group . Cruise ships sometimes traverse the sound. Nothing much else to say about it.

Support

1. As nom. ChaoticVermillion (converse, contribs) 23:37, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
2. Melozone crissalis (talk) 00:19, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
3. 飞车过大关 (talk) 05:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC)

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ChaoticVermillion (converse, contribs) 23:37, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

Add Maasai Mara 

Large national park in Kenya ◎ 3 contiguous with Serengeti National Park ◎ 4. Home to the largest lion population in Africa.

Support

1. As nom. Dess Dedalus (talk) 20:53, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
2. Support adding and remove Rig-e Jenn.飞车过大关 (talk) 08:37, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
3. Maasai Mara seems roughly as important ecologically as Serengeti National Park, though in my personal experience the latter is more widely known and as such likely has slightly more cultural importance outside of central Africa (note 50 iwikis vs 67 iwikis). Regardless, support inclusion. As for the removal of Rig-e Jenn, The lack of activity on Wikipedia (even within the Persian and Arabic language wikis) makes me think it's not very important, but I'm not knowledgeable enough on the topic to feel comfortable deciding.ARoseThorn (talk) 04:46, 16 May 2026 (UTC)

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Dess Dedalus (talk) 20:53, 26 February 2026 (UTC)

Canadian city removals

These Canadian cities don't have much going for them other than being Canadian provincial and territorial capitals.

Whitehorse

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 15:16, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
2. 飞车过大关 (talk) 16:33, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
3. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:46, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
4. The Account 2 (talk) 17:53, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

Oppose

1. The largest city in Northern Canada. This and Alice Springs ◎ 5 (the largest city in central Australia) are good to include as the largest in a region although they're relatively small. This has a lot of pageviews and makes sense to list. Melozone crissalis (talk) 19:23, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
2. Important to the history of northern Canada and especially the history of mining in the region. I’ve been on trains with hundreds of miles of tracks that were specifically built with the express purpose of just going to Whitehorse. Dess Dedalus (talk) 13:02, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
3. B3251_(talk) 15:14, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

Discussion

Charlottetown

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 15:16, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
2. ChaoticVermillion (converse, contribs) 00:51, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
3. The Account 2 (talk) 17:53, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

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1. Weak oppose, a moderately significant history, and PEI is somewhat isolated from the rest of Canada making its capital somewhat more important. Melozone crissalis (talk) 19:24, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
2. B3251_(talk) 15:14, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

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Add some World Heritage Sites in Vietnam

We've already got Hạ Long Bay ◎ 5 and recently added Phong Nha – Kẻ Bàng National Park , but I think some other sites are worth including as well:

• Complex of Huế Monuments : A set of remnants from the Nguyễn dynasty ◎ 4. The list actually links to Imperial City of Huế ; however the Imperial City is only part of the complex and much of the content of this article should be in the article for the complex.
• Hội An . Technically the heritage site is Hội An Old Town , but it would make more sense to add the city first. And although it is a former adminstrative unit, it has a long history and we also have other former cities of Vietnam like Vũng Tàu ◎ 5 and Nha Trang ◎ 5.
• Mỹ Sơn ◎ 5: One of the foremost Hindu temple complexes in Southeast Asia.
• Imperial Citadel of Thăng Long : The foremost cultural site of Hanoi ◎ 4, with an important role in the political power of Đại Việt ◎ 5 for centuries.

Support

1. KhaiDo (talk) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
2. I have been to Hoi An and its definitly important. Ipedecha (talk) 16:58, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
3. The Account 2 (talk) 17:54, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
4. Support all except Complex of Huế Monuments, I think Imperial City of Huế is more famous. And I firmly oppose adding this kind of abstract article about the ancient monument complex of a certain city.飞车过大关 (talk) 03:40, 2 March 2026 (UTC)

   They are definitely not abstract but very clearly defined and collectively listed as a UNESCO World Heritage Site, of which Imperial City only makes up a small portion. KhaiDo (talk) 10:00, 1 May 2026 (UTC)

   My English isn't good, and I failed to express my true meaning clearly. This led you to latch onto a single word I used and argue against it, but the reality is, you aren't actually refuting the point I was trying to make. My view is that many World Heritage designations are inherently just artificial concepts that bundle multiple ancient structures together, like Silk Roads: the Routes Network of Chang'an-Tianshan Corridor  (Silk Road ◎ 3), Historic Monuments of Ancient Nara  (Heijō-kyō ◎ 5, include Tōdai-ji ◎ 5) and Imperial Tombs of the Ming and Qing Dynasties  (include Ming tombs ◎ 5). Similarly, the Complex of Huế Monuments  is merely a defined concept that stitches together various architectural clusters in Huế ◎ 4. It is neither a concept of an ancient city (and thus cannot represent the ancient urban history of Huế), nor is it a single monument or a standalone architectural complex. Moreover, the Imperial City is the most significant architectural cluster within it, so how can it be dismissed as a 'minor concept'? It’s like assuming that because the Beijing Central Axis  is a World Heritage site, the overarching concept is therefore more important than the specific landmarks it encompasses, such as the Forbidden City ◎ 4, Zhongnanhai ◎ 5, Tiananmen Square ◎ 5 or Temple of Heaven ◎ 5.飞车过大关 (talk) 13:17, 1 May 2026 (UTC)

   Unless the content of this concept's article is exceptionally well-written, I don't see why I should support a Start-class article that merely describes a World Heritage project and only has 11 interwikis, over a C-class article that covers the architectural complex with rich content and boasts 18 interwikis. 飞车过大关 (talk) 13:25, 1 May 2026 (UTC)

   I think the word you were looking for was "arbitrary", which I can get behind. Still, aren't most concepts artificial? Borders are as much of a human construct as heritage sites. It's better to look into the reason behind the concept. In this case, it's because these monuments were commissioned by the Nguyễn dynasty ◎ 4 kings and resided at their capital, which was Huế. They have a very clear architectural style and embodies their lasting influence as well as that of the French colonizers. They were not constructed by UNESCO but recognized as such by our state and people, so by no means are they arbitrary. In Vietnamese media, "Complex of Huế Monuments" is much more common "Imperial City of Huế", precisely because the Imperial City, while important in its own right, takes up a small portion of the complex in terms ofscale and quantity, which includes many more notable structures like Thiên Mụ Temple. If anything, Seven Wonders of the Ancient World ◎ 4 is a more arbitrary concept than this. And finally, isn't the VA project supposed to improve and/or maintain the quality of articles deemed important? It's such backwards logic to hold the poor quality of an article against it. KhaiDo (talk) 15:29, 1 May 2026 (UTC)

   As we all know, ancient architecture is certainly not a product of modern construction. I have never claimed that ancient buildings were constructed by UNESCO; I only hold that the concept itself is a term popularized by UNESCO. Furthermore, my core objection has never hinged on article quality. The fundamental reason is that the Level 5 list never includes general overview articles covering a city’s architectural landscape. For instance, it does not feature the New York Skyline  but includes the Empire State Building ◎ 4; it excludes the Imperial Palaces of the Ming and Qing Dynasties in Beijing and Shenyang  while listing the Forbidden City ◎ 4; it omits the Historic Centre of Saint Petersburg and Related Groups of Monuments  but incorporates the Winter Palace ◎ 5. In my view, the Level 5 list should not set a precedent for accepting such general urban architectural overview entries merely for the sake of diversity. 飞车过大关 (talk) 19:43, 1 May 2026 (UTC)

   I think you misunderstood. I meant that UNESCO did not contruct the concept of the complex out of thin air, but rather it was a concrete concept recognized by Vietnam. KhaiDo (talk) 20:00, 1 May 2026 (UTC)

   I see. I was under the impression that the name of Vietnam's World Heritage site, like many others, was a term coined during the nomination process, rather than a concept that was already widely accepted beforehand. However, even if the 'Complex of Huế Monuments' is indeed a widely accepted concept in Vietnam's architectural history, it is still closer to an artificially designated classification.飞车过大关 (talk) 20:12, 1 May 2026 (UTC)

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KhaiDo (talk) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

1. @Q.Khải: Additionally, one of your addition proposals (Mỹ Sơn) overlaps with mine, please read through previous votes more carefully, and stop coming up with repetitive proposals each time.飞车过大关 (talk) 03:40, 2 March 2026 (UTC)

Remove 9 Japanese cities

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In the level 5 list, Japan has nearly 50 articles on its prefectures (each roughly equivalent to the size of a city in Asia countries) located in the region and country sections, along with 66 articles on Japanese cities in the city section. This gives Japanese cities a disproportionate representation in the level 5 list. To address this issue, I have decided to remove some articles about Japanese cities:

1. Fukui (city) :With a population of only 250,000 (which is relatively small for an Asian city), its coverage overlaps with that of Fukui Prefecture ◎ 5, and the city itself has no notable features.
2. Toyama (city) :With a population of over 400,000 and covering nearly 30% of the area of Toyama Prefecture, Toyama (city) serves as the prefectural capital. Considering that the city also has no particularly notable features,, I believe Toyama Prefecture ◎ 5 alone is sufficient.
3. Fukuyama, Hiroshima :Aside from housing Japan's largest steelworks and offering views of the Seto Inland Sea ◎ 4, this satellite city of Hiroshima ◎ 4 has little to offer that is particularly attractive.
4. Wakayama (city) :With a population of just over 350,000, this city accounts for nearly 40% of Wakayama Prefecture ◎ 5's population and also serves as the prefectural capital. Due to the development of Osaka ◎ 4, Wakayama Prefecture has become the only prefecture in Japan to experience population decline over the past four decades, and the city's importance has been steadily diminishing. If it weren't for the Kishū Domain  having a trace of historical recognition in Japan, I wouldn't even bother to pay attention to this city.
5. Funabashi :A populous satellite city of Tokyo ◎ 3 and the second-largest city in Chiba Prefecture ◎ 5, it has no particularly noteworthy features. Considering that the Level 5 list doesn't even include Shinjuku , I believe there is no need to include this city, much like Sanhe, Hebei  near Beijing ◎ 3 or Taicang  near Shanghai ◎ 4.
6. Mito, Ibaraki :With a population of just over 260,000, the prefectural capital of Ibaraki Prefecture ◎ 5 is renowned for the Mitogaku  and the Mito Tokugawa family , but apart from this, there is nothing particularly outstanding about it.
7. Takasaki :The most populous city in Gunma Prefecture ◎ 5, with a population of over 370,000, it appears quite unremarkable compared to Maebashi ◎ 5, which has a similar population size, and has no outstanding features.
8. Kurume :A small city with a population of just over 290,000, it pales in insignificance compared to Fukuoka ◎ 4 and Kitakyushu ◎ 5, which are also located in Fukuoka Prefecture ◎ 5.
9. Yamagata (city) :A satellite city of Sendai ◎ 4 with a population of just over 240,000, it serves as the prefectural capital of Yamagata Prefecture ◎ 5, but it has no distinctive features. Even the GA-level Chinese Wikipedia article about this city fails to demonstrate that it possesses any truly important characteristics.

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1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 07:54, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
2. I not that found of this proposal cause while japan may be over, asia urban population is underepresented and there is few proposal going on to add asian cities, but i agree with the removals. Ipedecha (talk) 11:09, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
3. ChaoticVermillion (converse, contribs) 10:15, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
4. The Account 2 (talk) 03:52, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

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Swap Sagamihara ◎ 5 with Kamakura 

Although Sagamihara is the third most populous city in Kanagawa Prefecture ◎ 5, aside from its proximity to the Tokyo ◎ 3 metropolitan area and its role in absorbing some of Tokyo's population, it does not possess outstanding significance. In contrast, Kamakura, also located in Kanagawa Prefecture, has a population of just over 170,000, yet it is one of Japan's most historically significant cities. As a major tourist destination in the Kanto region and one of Japan's ancient capitals alongside Kyoto ◎ 4 and Nara (city) ◎ 5, this city deserves to be included in the level 5 list to address the list's erroneous overemphasis on population size.

Support

1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 08:10, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
2. Melozone crissalis (talk) 22:43, 27 April 2026 (UTC)
3. Agree with nom here. Assessing vitality purely on statistics is very problematic at any level. Personally speaking, my district has a population of over 500,000, yet I would never consider it VA5-worthy. KhaiDo (talk) 20:10, 1 May 2026 (UTC)

Support only adding Kamakura

1. Every city with more than 700.000 should be included, they arent, especially in China and India, but they should. Ipedecha (talk) 11:47, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

   Population is a criterion for classifying cities, but not the only one. In particular, certain satellite cities of major metropolises may qualify for Level 5 status due to meeting population thresholds, which would squeeze out slots for many ancient cities. For a city to be included, I believe only those exceeding 5 million should be admitted unconditionally; cities above 1 million may be considered with confidence, while those below 1 million require evaluation of their historical significance, cultural heritage, economic importance, and overall influence to determine eligibility. 飞车过大关 (talk) 12:04, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

   The above scenario applies exclusively to Asia, given its massive population where cities ranging from 100,000 to 800,000 inhabitants are far from uncommon. 飞车过大关 (talk) 12:07, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

   I strongly disagree that asians people should count less just because there are more asians than every other continent population combined, a life is a life no matter if they are one in many or one in few. If a sattalite city has enought people to qualify than it should be include, one can see that as giving more slot to cities that deserve more slots. I agree that culturally and historically important cities that have small pop should be included (I propose Ouro Preto ◎ 5 afterall), but there is not a cities is currently underquota and there is not a bunch of proposals going on, and others may disagree, but i dont believe any of the v5 actors can be more important than a city of 700.000 not matter if one could argue is effectivelly a part of another city (obviously variety and all that matters) and ideally the quota of cities should be increase (i think there is other stuff that should be increase first, so that probably not going to happen anytime soon). Ipedecha (talk) 12:36, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

   I need to remind you that according to my research, there are approximately 515 cities in China with a population of over 500,000 (see 中华人民共和国城市人口排名 in zhwiki). Moreover, there are also many counties or districts with populations exceeding 500,000. For example, the district where I live covers less than 90 square kilometers but has a population of over one million. However, since the city this district represents is already on the Level 4 list, I will not propose adding this district. Attention to population should also take diversity into account. It is absurd to insist that a city with a population of just over 700,000 must automatically rank among the 1,000 most important cities in the world. A population of 700,000 can only be considered a truly large city in regions outside Asia, and this perspective itself reflects a Western-centric view. 飞车过大关 (talk) 14:33, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

   In comparison, in Brazil, there are only about 50 cities that meet this standard. No wonder you would consider a city of 700,000 to be a true metropolis. If it weren't for my Eastern-centric perspective at play, I would certainly also think that a city of 700,000 deserves a spot on the list. 飞车过大关 (talk) 14:47, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

   China has 7 times the population of Brazil, of course it has way more cities with over a million. Brazil also has a bigger area that is not desert plus mountain and China has centrally planed economy. The urban density of China is not foreign to me as i known people who travel to it yearly and tell tales of driving for 6 hours and still being in a city, and i have been to Asia beforeIpedecha (talk) 19:12, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

2. The Account 2 (talk) 12:41, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

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Add 2 Iraq's renowned cities

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1. Add Kufa ◎ 5: one of the most important holy sites of Shia Islam ◎ 3 alongside Qom ◎ 4, Mashhad ◎ 4, Karbala ◎ 5 and Najaf ◎ 5, it is formerly the capital of the Caliphate ◎ 5. Its associated script, Kufic ◎ 5, is already on the Level 5 list.
2. Add Samarra ◎ 5: one of the oldest cities in Mesopotamia, a holy site of Shia Islam, once the capital of the Abbasid Caliphate ◎ 4, with its ancient city listed as a UNESCO World Heritage Site.

Support

1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 08:24, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
2. Ipedecha (talk) 15:05, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
3. ChaoticVermillion (converse, contribs) 10:14, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
4. The Account 2 (talk) 10:21, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

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Add 6 World Heritage Sites in China

Swap Victoria Peak  with Wudang Mountains ◎ 5

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Victoria Peak is only the 29th-highest peak in Hong Kong, standing at less than 600 meters in height. It is famous for its location in the heart of Hong Kong, offering views of the city's skyline, and for being one of the city's affluent neighborhoods. But aside from that, the mountain holds no unique geographical significance or historical value; its importance is even less than that of the Santa Monica Mountains  near Los Angeles.

In contrast, the Wudang Mountains, with 45 interwikis, are one of the most important sacred sites in Taoism ◎ 3, a classic setting for Wuxia ◎ 5 novels, and a UNESCO World Heritage Site.

Support

1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 09:51, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
2. The Account 2 (talk) 09:27, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
3. Ipedecha (talk) 09:39, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
4. Melozone crissalis (talk) 23:52, 27 May 2026 (UTC)

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Swap Lion Rock ◎ 5 with Mount Lu 

Lion Rock is a Hong Kong peak with only 15 interwikis. Standing 495 meters high, it resembles a lion in shape. Aside from the imagery borrowed by Hong Kong's people in proposing the "Lion Rock Spirit" from the television series Below the Lion Rock and the Below the Lion Rock (song), the mountain itself holds no unique geographical value or historical significance within China.

In contrast, Lushan is one of China's most renowned mountains and summer resorts, designated as a UNESCO World Heritage Site. It holds significant historical and cultural weight in China, being associated with major political events such as the Lushan Conference, as well as a rich tradition of classical Chinese poetry and painting.

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1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 10:28, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
2. The Account 2 (talk) 09:27, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
3. Ipedecha (talk) 09:39, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

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Swap Kavir Buzurg  with Badain Jaran Desert ◎ 5

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Kavir Buzurg is a Salt marsh ◎ 5 with only 1 interwiki link, and as part of the Great Salt Desert ◎ 5, it lacks particularly notable distinction. In contrast, China's Badain Jaran Desert has 33 interwiki links, is the only desert in China inscribed as a World Heritage Site, and possesses unique geographical value and historical depth.

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1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 12:27, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
2. The Account 2 (talk) 09:27, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
3. Ipedecha (talk) 09:39, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
4. Per nom. Melozone crissalis (talk) 02:36, 12 April 2026 (UTC)

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Swap Kings Peak (Utah)  with Fanjingshan ◎ 5

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Beyond being the highest peak in Utah, Kings Peak lacks distinctive geographical significance or historical depth as part of the Uinta Mountains ◎ 5. In contrast, China's Mount Fanjing not only boasts 33 interwikis and a unique ecosystem but is also recognized as one of the Five Great Buddhist Mountains of China, a renowned scenic site in Guizhou, and a UNESCO World Heritage Site.

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1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 12:38, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
2. The Account 2 (talk) 09:27, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
3. Ipedecha (talk) 09:39, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
4. Melozone crissalis (talk) 23:48, 27 May 2026 (UTC)

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Swap Upper Taz Nature Reserve ◎ 5 with Three Parallel Rivers 

Upper Taz Nature Reserve ◎ 5 is a Russian protected area with merely 10 interwikis. Aside from being a major reserve within the West Siberian Plain ◎ 4, I fail to see any distinct significance it possesses. I also don't consider it to be of greater importance than the Taz River , Siberian Uvaly , or the West Siberian taiga .

In contrast, Three Parallel Rivers  boasts 38 interwikis. It is a massive protected area on the China-Myanmar border that encompasses the Gaoligongshan National Nature Reserve  (one of China's most biodiverse regions), Tiger Leaping Gorge  (one of the deepest gorges in the world), Meili Snow Mountains  (a famous Yunnan destination and Tibetan holy site) and other places. It is traversed by the Yangtze ◎ 3, Mekong ◎ 4, and Salween River ◎ 4, and is even considered one of the real-world inspirations for Shangri-La ◎ 5.

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1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 18:49, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
2. Surely Three Parallel Rivers is more important. Melozone crissalis (talk) 22:49, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

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Swap Singapore River ◎ 5 with Li River 

Singapore River ◎ 5 is merely a 3.2 km waterway. Aside from flowing through a small part of Singapore, it holds little geographical significance (as Singapore relies on its seaport rather than the river).

In contrast, the Li River  boasts 36 interwikis. It is the core of Guilin Scenic Area  (China's top ten tourist attractions), is depicted on the Renminbi ◎ 4 currency, and forms part of the South China Karst  World Heritage Site (listed as Lijiang Fengcong).

Support

1. Multiple Chinese state media outlets, such as Xinhua News Agency ◎ 5 and China Central Television ◎ 5, have publicly hailed the Li River as the 'most beautiful river in the world.' They have also misinterpreted a CNN ◎ 5 article titled 'World's 15 best rivers for travelers' to promote this claim.飞车过大关 (talk) 19:22, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
2. Not sure about Li River, but I support removing Singapore River, and Li River is at least more important than that. Melozone crissalis (talk) 22:49, 5 June 2026 (UTC)
3. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 22:27, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

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Remove East Coast of the United States  and West Coast of the United States 

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Not sure what makes each of these coast lines vital when we don't list other country's coast lines.

Support both

1. Interstellarity (talk) 19:00, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
2. The Account 2 (talk) 09:26, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
3. Ipedecha (talk) 09:39, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
4. 飞车过大关 (talk) 11:09, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

Partial support

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1. Melozone crissalis (talk) 17:30, 17 March 2026 (UTC)

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Remove Appalachia ◎ 5

We already list the mountains. We don't need the region.

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 19:11, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
2. The Account 2 (talk) 09:26, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

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1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 11:10, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
2. Melozone crissalis (talk) 21:54, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

Add Wuhu ◎ 5

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According to https://www.citypopulation.de/en/world/agglomerations/, Wuhu's urban agglomeration contains 1.88 million people, making it large enough to be listed at VA5. Of the unlisted Chinese agglomerations with population over 1 million, this city has the most pageviews in English Wikipedia. It reportedly has the second largest GDP in Anhui province. Anhui currently has only four VA5 cities but a population of 61 million. Also there are city swaps proposed in that province: please vote here if you have not already.

Support

1. As nom. Melozone crissalis (talk) 01:01, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
2. Ma'anshan ◎ 5 is positioned purely as a satellite city, whereas Wuhu is not, it is the second-largest city in Anhui.飞车过大关 (talk) 01:43, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
3. The Account 2 (talk) 09:26, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
4. Ipedecha (talk) 09:39, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
5. ChaoticVermillion (converse, contribs) 05:02, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

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Add Yichang ◎ 5

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According to https://www.citypopulation.de/en/world/agglomerations/, Wuhu's urban agglomeration contains 1.42 million people. It contains the Three Gorges Dam ◎ 4 and Three Gorges ◎ 5. Of the unlisted Chinese agglomerations with population over 1 million, this city has the third most pageviews in English Wikipedia, after Wuhu ◎ 5 and Xiangyang  (which is proposed for addition).

Support

1. As nom. Melozone crissalis (talk) 01:01, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
2. 飞车过大关 (talk) 01:45, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
3. The Account 2 (talk) 09:26, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
4. Ipedecha (talk) 09:39, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
5. Per nom. ChaoticVermillion (converse, contribs) 05:01, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

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Add Londrina 

According to https://www.citypopulation.de/en/world/agglomerations/, Londrina's urban agglomeration contains 1.05 million people, making it the largest Brazilian city that is not listed at VA5. Brazil has a relatively small number of cities relative to its population and relative to the rest of the Americas.

Support

1. As nom. Melozone crissalis (talk) 01:01, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
2. Ipedecha (talk) 09:39, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

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Add Joinville 

Due to the relatively low number of VA5 cities in Brazil compared to other countries in the Americas, and this city being the largest city in Santa Catarina state and one of the larger unlisted cities in Brazil, I believe it is appropriate to list.

Support

1. As nom. Melozone crissalis (talk) 01:01, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
2. Ipedecha (talk) 20:39, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

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Would Brazil still be underepresentive if both cities where added? Cause i feel like maybe Olinda  would be a better add than Joinville, but Joinville also has its advantages over Olinda. Ipedecha (talk) 09:39, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

I suppose so, although Olinda  is adjacent to Recife ◎ 4 and part of the metropolitan area, but if you think it's still important enough, it could be listed instead of Joinville. Melozone crissalis (talk) 20:19, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

Better African Cities

Add Tétouan 

As one of Morocco ◎ 3's top ten cities, a major port, historic capital, and former capital, it is an extreme manifestation of Western centrism and population-only bias that Tétouan has not made the Level 5 list. If this city had a population of one million, I shudder to think how many voters would have ranked it as a Level 4 article (interestingly, the Level 4 list includes four Moroccan cities but omits Tangier ◎ 5).

Support

1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 14:31, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
2. Per nom. Melozone crissalis (talk) 18:46, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
3. Axeledits (talk) 00:18, 18 April 2026 (UTC)

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Swap: Add Tlemcen , Remove Sidi Bel Abbès ◎ 5

With a population of over 210,000, Sidi Bel Abbès ◎ 5 is a satellite city of Oran ◎ 4. It became one of Algeria's more populous cities due to French colonization in the 19th century; beyond this, the city lacks any notable distinguishing features.

In contrast, Tlemcen, with a population of just over 140,000, ranks among Algeria's most significant ancient cities. Having served as the capital of multiple historical regimes in North Africa, it possesses a rich historical heritage and a blend of European, North African, and Arab cultures, earning it the epithets 'Pearl of the Maghreb,' 'Granada of Africa,' or 'Medina of the West.'

Support

1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 11:40, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
2. Per nom. Melozone crissalis (talk) 18:46, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

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Swap: Add Suez ◎ 5, Remove Helwan 

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Helwan is merely one of the less distinctive districts among Cairo's 38 districts, and it is not as significant as other Cairo districts that were not selected for the list. In contrast, Suez is Egypt's sixth-largest city and a strategic hub for both the Suez Canal and the Red Sea.

Support

1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 13:50, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
2. Per nom. Melozone crissalis (talk) 18:38, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
3. Suez dominates Helwan in every quantitative wiki metric (page views, iwikis, editors, watchers). ARoseThorn (talk) 15:46, 13 May 2026 (UTC)
4. Axeledits (talk) 14:41, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

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Swap: Add Bayda, Libya , Remove Sabha, Libya ◎ 5

Among the 7 Libyan cities selected for the Level 5 list, Sabha stands out as the most incongruous choice, with a population of less than 100,000 and no place among Libya's ten largest cities; its most notable feature is merely its association with Muammar Gaddafi. By contrast, Bayda, Libya's fourth-largest city, boasts 87 interwikis (compared to Sabha's 45), and possesses substantial historical and geographical significance.

Support

1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 14:15, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
2. Per nom. Melozone crissalis (talk) 18:38, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

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Swap: Add Bizerte , Remove Kumba, Cameroon ◎ 5

Among the eight Cameroonian cities on the level 5 list,Kumba is the weakest entry. This city of over 300,000 people has fallen out of Cameroon's top ten largest cities and doesn't have any notable features.

In contrast,although Bizerte has a population of less than 200,000, it is not only Tunisia's 5th-largest city and an important port but also possesses a prominent historical heritage due to its key location on the Mediterranean.

Support

1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 18:17, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
2. I notice that Bizerte also has significantly more interwikis and pageviews. Melozone crissalis (talk) 18:44, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

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Swap: Add Mbandaka , Remove Matadi ◎ 5

Among the 11 DRC cities listed in the level 5 list,Matadi stands out as an oddity. This port city, with a population of just over 400,000, is neither among the top ten largest cities in the DRC nor does it have a sufficiently important distinguishing feature (other than being the DRC's route to the ocean). In contrast, Mbandaka, also a major port on the Congo River, is the 6th-largest city in the DRC with a population of over one million, and I believe the northwestern part of the DRC does indeed need a city to represent the region.

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1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 18:39, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

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It's not clear to me that the urban/metropolitan populations of Mbandaka is much larger. The official population of the city may be over a million, but the urban population may be closer to 400,000. It may be like how St. Louis ◎ 4 (pop 300,000) is VA4, but Jacksonville, Florida ◎ 5 (pop 1 million) is VA5. Melozone crissalis (talk) 18:53, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

Swap: Add Berbera , Remove Djougou ◎ 5

Among the three Beninese cities on the level 5 list, Djougou, with a population of less than 300,000, is neither distinctive nor large enough to compare with Abomey-Calavi , and should be on par with Parakou , which is more affluent but slightly less populous.

In contrast, while Berbera also has a population of less than 300,000, it is a historic trade center and important port in the Somalia ◎ 4 region, as well as the former capital of Somaliland ◎ 4, holding unique historical significance.

Support

1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 04:35, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
2. Melozone crissalis (talk) 19:00, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

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Swap: Add Kismayo , Remove Sunyani ◎ 5

Among the five Ghanaian cities on the level 5 list, Sunyani has a population of less than 350,000, lacks historical or geographical significance, and is less important than Tamale, Ghana ◎ 5, which is not on the list.

In contrast, Kismayo is the most important port in southern Somalia, with a long history and a turbulent political landscape, giving it a certain degree of significance. Moreover, the level 5 list includes only one Somali city and one Somaliland city.

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1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 05:21, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

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@飞车过大关: Tamale, Ghana ◎ 5 is on this list. Melozone crissalis (talk) 18:42, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

Swap: Add Massawa , Remove Lafia ◎ 5

Although Nigeria is a populous country in Africa, not every one of the 30 Nigerian cities listed on the Level 5 roster has a large population, with Lafia being the least significant. The city has a population of only around half a million, placing it outside the top 35 most populous cities in Nigeria, and it lacks distinctive features of sufficient importance, making it rather unremarkable.

In contrast, although Massawa has a population of less than 100,000, it served as the former capital of Eritrea, is an ancient and historically significant Red Sea port, and ranks among the world's hottest cities in terms of average temperature. Given its historical value, adding it to the Level 5 list is only appropriate, and it would also resolve the issue of the list currently featuring only one city from Eritrea.

Support

1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 06:29, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
2. Melozone crissalis (talk) 18:57, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

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Swap: Add Bosaso , Remove Minna ◎ 5

Among the 30 Nigerian cities included in the Level 5 list, Minna—with a population of merely 550,000—likewise lacks historical or geographical significance, and the city does not even rank among Nigeria's 30 largest cities.

In contrast, Bosaso—as the 3rd-largest city in the Somalia ◎ 4 region (with the top two cities already included in the Level 5 list), the largest city in Puntland ◎ 4, and a port of considerable historical significance—clearly merits inclusion in the Level 5 list as a more deserving candidate.

Support

1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 06:49, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
2. Per nom. Melozone crissalis (talk) 18:41, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

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Swap: Add Cabinda Province , Remove Moçâmedes ◎ 5

Moçâmedes, although a key Angolan port, is neither among the country's top 15 cities (with fewer than 350,000 people) nor distinguished by significant historical or geographical features (the Iona National Park does not belong to the city). Its importance does not clearly surpass that of Lobito , making it a rather incongruous addition to the Level 5 list compared to other Angolan cities included. In contrast, Cabinda Province—a rare large exclave in Africa and the region with the strongest separatist tendencies in Angola—seems far more deserving of inclusion on the Level 5 list.

Support

1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 15:12, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
2. ChaoticVermillion (converse, contribs) 22:14, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
3. Per nom. Melozone crissalis (talk) 18:39, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

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Add Olduvai Gorge

One of the most important archeological sites in the world, where some of the oldest human fossils have been discovered. I'm surprised it's not already at least a level 5 article

Support

1. Cadevo86 (talk) 00:11, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
2. Per nom. Some canyons/gorges that seem less important have been removed, so I think we can add this one Melozone crissalis (talk) 18:40, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
3. 飞车过大关 (talk) 19:11, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

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Add North India and South India

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We currently have many VA4 subdivisions of The US (Midwestern United States ◎ 4, Southern United States ◎ 4, Western United States ◎ 4), yet not these 2 critical ones at VA5. These two regions are much more populated, and the cultural distinction is larger than between the American regions.

Support

1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 18:43, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
2. 飞车过大关 (talk) 18:55, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
3. Per nom. Melozone crissalis (talk) 18:56, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
4. ChaoticVermillion (converse, contribs) 20:47, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
5. The Account 2 (talk) 10:33, 17 March 2026 (UTC)

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Add Garabogazköl 

A 18000km² lagoon in the Caspian Sea ◎ 3. One of the largest lagoons in the world.

Support

1. ChaoticVermillion (converse, contribs) 23:48, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
2. The Account 2 (talk) 10:34, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
3. Large enough to be easily visible on world maps. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 22:49, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

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ChaoticVermillion (converse, contribs) 23:48, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

Parks, preserves, and World Heritage Sites

Swap: Remove MacMillan Provincial Park , Add Torres del Paine National Park ◎ 5

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MacMillan Provincial Park  is a Canadian park with only 7 interwikis; apart from containing an Old-growth forest  near Vancouver ◎ 4, it is not notably significant. In contrast, Torres del Paine National Park ◎ 5 is a Chilean national park with 40 interwikis and stands as the most famous attraction in the Patagonia ◎ 4 region. However, due to the long-standing Anglocentrism within the Level 5 list, natural landmarks in Latin America have been consistently overlooked.

Support

1. Torres del Paine National Park has been elected as the 8th Wonder of the World by TripAdvisor. 飞车过大关 (talk) 13:14, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
2. Ipedecha (talk) 14:31, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
3. Per nom. Melozone crissalis (talk) 22:32, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
4. The Account 2 (talk) 17:48, 11 May 2026 (UTC)

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Swap: Remove Tweedsmuir South Provincial Park ◎ 5, Add Kruger National Park 

Tweedsmuir South Provincial Park ◎ 5 is a Canadian provincial park with only 3 interwikis and lacks distinct significance. In contrast, Kruger National Park  boasts 53 interwikis and stands as one of Africa's most renowned national parks. It is hard to fathom why the Level 5 list would prioritize two provincial parks near Vancouver over the continent's most iconic wildlife reserve.

Support

1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 13:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
2. Ipedecha (talk) 14:31, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
3. The Account 2 (talk) 17:48, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
4. Bluevestman (talk) 17:38, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

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Swap: Remove Port Campbell National Park ◎ 5, Add Kakadu National Park 

I fail to see why Kakadu National Park , one of Australia's most significant national parks with 56 interwikis, was excluded from the Level 5 list, while Port Campbell National Park ◎ 5, with only 19 interwikis and no distinct significance, was included.

Support

1. It is truly baffling that some Level 5 editors are so keen on adding Australian entries to the list, yet they have overlooked such a glaring omission.飞车过大关 (talk) 13:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
2. Ipedecha (talk) 14:31, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
3. Per nom. Melozone crissalis (talk) 22:33, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
4. Bluevestman (talk) 17:38, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

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Swap: Remove Alto Ribeira Tourist State Park ◎ 5, Add Lençóis Maranhenses National Park 

Alto Ribeira Tourist State Park is a Brazilian park with only 2 interwikis, and in my view, it is less significant than Cavernas do Peruaçu National Park , which is already a World Heritage Site. In contrast, Lençóis Maranhenses National Park  boasts 42 interwikis and is globally renowned for its unique landscape.

Support

1. I believe that Brazil, as a global powerhouse in natural scenery, deserves better representation than a state park with only 2 interwikis.飞车过大关 (talk) 14:05, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
2. I assume its there because its from the State of São Paulo, the richest and with the most people. Ipedecha (talk) 14:31, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
3. Per nom. Melozone crissalis (talk) 22:36, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
4. Bluevestman (talk) 17:39, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

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Swap: Remove Aparados da Serra National Park ◎ 5, Add Atlantic Forest 

Aparados da Serra National Park ◎ 5 has 18 interwikis. While it is considered one of the most captivating sections of the Atlantic Forest , I fail to see how it possesses sufficient significance to warrant a standalone Level 5 entry, separate from the forest itself. Moreover, it is illogical to regard this park as more important than the Atlantic Forest—the second-largest tropical rainforest in the Americas with 46 interwikis.

Support

1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 16:41, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
2. Melozone crissalis (talk) 21:50, 13 June 2026 (UTC)
3. Bluevestman (talk) 17:41, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

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Swap: Remove Great Limpopo Transfrontier Park ◎ 5, Add Mount Nimba Strict Nature Reserve 

Great Limpopo Transfrontier Park is merely a collection of several African national parks (including Kruger National Park , which I nominated above) and is essentially a Transboundary protected area  that is not yet fully established. Compared to Kruger National Park, it currently lacks the distinct significance and influence to warrant inclusion.

In contrast, Mount Nimba Strict Nature Reserve  is a transboundary protected area with 42 interwikis. Also spanning a tri-border region, it is a designated UNESCO World Heritage Site. Furthermore, adding this reserve would allow us to correct the systemic bias in the Level 5 list that currently overlooks protected areas in West Africa.

Support

1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 17:08, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

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1. Support removal. Oppose addition. Bluevestman (talk) 17:42, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

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Swap: Remove Golestan National Park ◎ 5, Add Hyrcanian forests 

I believe Golestan National Park ◎ 5 (with 18 interwikis) made it onto the Level 5 list precisely because it serves as a major protected area for the Hyrcanian forests  (which has 36 interwikis). However, the park is definitely not more significant than the forest itself.

Support

1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 17:17, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
2. Melozone crissalis (talk) 21:49, 13 June 2026 (UTC)
3. Made a proposal to remove the park. Bluevestman (talk) 17:37, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

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Swap: Remove Lena Delta Wildlife Reserve ◎ 5, Add Uvs Lake Basin 

Lena Delta Wildlife Reserve ◎ 5 is a Russian wildlife reserve with only 13 interwikis. While it has some notable ecological features, I fail to see how it distinguishes itself from other similar reserves. Furthermore, it less significant than both the Lena Delta and the Lena Pillars  (a World Heritage Site with numerous interwikis, despite its sparse content).

In contrast, Uvs Lake Basin  spans both Mongolia and Russia, boasting 32 interwikis. As both a UNESCO World Heritage Site and a Ramsar site, it features a much richer ecological profile. Adding this article would effectively fill the gap in the Level 5 list and correct the systemic bias regarding the lack of Mongolian articles.

Support

1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 17:41, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
2. Melozone crissalis (talk) 21:49, 13 June 2026 (UTC)
3. Support removal. Bluevestman (talk) 18:04, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

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Swap: Remove Putorana Nature Reserve ◎ 5, Add Gunung Mulu National Park 

Putorana Nature Reserve ◎ 5 has only 15 interwikis, and its content overlaps significantly with that of the Putorana Plateau ◎ 5 (45 interwikis, a true World Heritage Site).

In contrast, Gunung Mulu National Park  is a UNESCO World Heritage Site located on the border of Malaysia and Brunei, boasting 41 interwikis. Home to some of the most spectacular cave systems in the world, it fully deserves a spot on the Level 5 list.

Support

1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 18:04, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
2. Per nom. Melozone crissalis (talk) 22:38, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
3. Bluevestman (talk) 18:05, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

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Swap: Remove Arrábida Natural Park ◎ 5, Add Peneda-Gerês National Park 

Arrábida Natural Park ◎ 5 has only 11 interwikis. Aside from its location near Lisbon ◎ 4, I fail to see its notability. In contrast, Peneda-Gerês National Park  has 25 interwikis. As Portugal's most important national park, boasting a long history and unique geographical value.

Support

1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 02:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
2. Peneda-Gerês seems a bit more important. Melozone crissalis (talk) 22:40, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
3. Support removal. Bluevestman (talk) 18:06, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

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Add Serra da Capivara National Park 

A major site in Brazil that every student knows has the largest and the oldest concentration of prehistoric sites in America. Has also a lot of famous cave paintings. Has 41 iwikis

Support

1. As nom. Ipedecha (talk) 14:31, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
2. 飞车过大关 (talk) 15:51, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
3. Melozone crissalis (talk) 22:33, 16 April 2026 (UTC)

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Add Palaeogeography (stats · edit · talk · history) to Physical geography

Under the Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level_5/Physical_sciences/Earth_science#Paleogeography subheading, we list 18 articles, including at least one level 4 article. I think that this page warrants inclusion based on this alone. I also think that we should move those 18 articles to Physical geography, they are literally geography topics, and geography is not a subdiscipline of or synonym for Earth Science.

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1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 00:59, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
2. Has fairly low pageviews, watchers, and revisions but has a high number of interwikis and many links to it, as well as seeming to be an important topic. Melozone crissalis (talk) 21:41, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

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GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 00:59, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

Remove 4 Capital districts and territories

I maintain that since the Level 5 list already includes a country's capital, it is unnecessary to separately list Capital districts and territories. Doing so undermines the diversity of the Level 5 list.

Remove Federal Capital Territory (Nigeria) ◎ 5

Since the article's content is largely covered by Abuja ◎ 4, there's no need to list this administrative division separately if Abuja is already on the Level 5 list.

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1. The Level 5 list already includes all the states of Nigeria.飞车过大关 (talk) 08:09, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

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1. We list Australian Capital Territory ◎ 5, Federal District (Brazil) ◎ 5 and Islamabad Capital Territory ◎ 5, despite their overlap with Canberra ◎ 5, Brasília ◎ 4, and Islamabad ◎ 4. Melozone crissalis (talk) 21:34, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

I think all three articles can be deleted, since the Level 5 list is still missing some key regional concepts and fails to include all capital regions, such as the Capital Region of Denmark , National Capital Region (Canada) , National Capital Region (India)  or Capital District (Venezuela) . 飞车过大关 (talk) 03:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

Remove Australian Capital Territory ◎ 5

Since the article's content is largely covered by Canberra ◎ 5, there's no need to list this administrative division separately if Canberra is already on the Level 5 list.

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1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 04:48, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
2. The Account 2 (talk) 08:20, 11 April 2026 (UTC)

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Remove Federal District (Brazil) ◎ 5

Since the article's content is largely covered by Brasília ◎ 4, there's no need to list this administrative division separately if Brasília is already on the Level 5 list.

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1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 04:48, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

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Remove Islamabad Capital Territory ◎ 5

Since the article's content is largely covered by Islamabad ◎ 4, there's no need to list this administrative division separately if Islamabad is already on the Level 5 list.

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1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 04:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

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Add Fezzan ◎ 5

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Libya ◎ 4 has 3 main regions, but the Level 5 list only includes Tripolitania ◎ 5 and Cyrenaica ◎ 5, omitting the equally important Fezzan ◎ 5.

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1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 08:20, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
2. Per nom. Melozone crissalis (talk) 21:31, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
3. ChaoticVermillion (converse, contribs) 08:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
4. While Fezzan has by far the smallest population of the regions (about 600,000 of 7.6 million), it's been growing at a higher rate than the rest of the country (see Fezzan province, which really should be merged into the main article but I digress). It also contains a majority of the oil in Libya. ARoseThorn (talk) 15:44, 13 May 2026 (UTC)

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Add Mediterranean basin

Mediterranean basin , the area surrounding the Mediterranean Sea ◎ 3, is independently vital from the sea. The German version de:Mittelmeerraum is a featured article, so you can get ideas from that.

Support

1. As nom. Melozone crissalis (talk) 23:24, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
2. ChaoticVermillion (converse, contribs) 08:56, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
3. 飞车过大关 (talk) 17:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
4. Ipedecha (talk) 16:49, 17 April 2026 (UTC)

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Remove some administrative divisions in the US

Swap: Add Wa State , Remove Wind River Indian Reservation ◎ 5

The Wind River Indian Reservation is a US administrative division with only 13 interwikis, an area comparable to a Chinese prefecture-level city, and a population of fewer than 30,000; its importance is not higher than that of provinces in other countries. In contrast, Wa State is a country located on the border of Myanmar, China, and Thailand, with 34 interwikis and a population of over 750,000. It is notorious in China for suspected drug trafficking and telecom fraud, and furthermore, it produces one-sixth of the world's tin ore.

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1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 11:27, 4 April 2026 (UTC)
2. The Account 2 (talk) 08:19, 11 April 2026 (UTC)

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Swap: Add Ambazonia , Remove Flathead Indian Reservation ◎ 5

The Flathead Indian Reservation is a US administrative division with only 7 interwikis and a population of fewer than 30,000, whereas Ambazonia is a West African region with 37 interwikis and a population of nearly 3.6 million, serving as the cause of the turmoil in Cameroon (see Anglophone problem).

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1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 11:41, 4 April 2026 (UTC)

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Swap: Add Hauran , Remove Yakama Indian Reservation ◎ 5

The Yakama Indian Reservation is a US administrative division with only 8 interwikis and a population of over 30,000. In contrast, Hauran is a region spanning Syria and Jordan with 28 interwikis and a population of at least several hundred thousand. It is a significant agricultural area in the Levant and a settlement area for the Druze.

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1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 11:41, 4 April 2026 (UTC)
2. The Account 2 (talk) 08:19, 11 April 2026 (UTC)

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Swap: Add Azerbaijan (Iran) , Remove Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma ◎ 5

The Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma is a US administrative division with only 4 interwikis and a population of fewer than 250,000, whereas Azerbaijan (Iran) is a region in Iran with 60 interwikis and a population of over 8 million, boasting remarkable historical heritage and geographical value.

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1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 12:51, 4 April 2026 (UTC)
2. The Account 2 (talk) 08:20, 11 April 2026 (UTC)
3. Ipedecha (talk) 16:49, 17 April 2026 (UTC)

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Swap: Add Tamil Eelam , Remove Cherokee Nation ◎ 5

The Cherokee Nation is a US administrative division with only 12 interwikis and a population of fewer than 500,000, whereas Tamil Eelam is a region in Sri Lanka with 46 interwikis and a population of over 3 million, characterized by a strong tendency towards independence.

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1. 飞车过大关 (talk) 13:14, 4 April 2026 (UTC)
2. The Account 2 (talk) 08:20, 11 April 2026 (UTC)
3. Ipedecha (talk) 16:49, 17 April 2026 (UTC)

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Remove Tanougou Falls

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Less than 1 pageview per day. Though Grokipedia has a far more comprehensive article: https://grokipedia.com/page/tanougou_falls

Support

1. As nom. Melozone crissalis (talk) 01:56, 12 April 2026 (UTC)
2. Doesn't seem particularly important. ChaoticVermillion (converse, contribs) 03:52, 12 April 2026 (UTC)
3. Not important than Pendjari National Park .飞车过大关 (talk) 18:21, 12 April 2026 (UTC)
4. Ipedecha (talk) 16:49, 17 April 2026 (UTC)

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Remove Motobu Peninsula

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Okinawa Island ◎ 5 is a relatively small island, of which Motobu Peninsula  is part. Motobu has only 7 daily pageviews and is not particularly important to cover separately than the rest of the island. Any consequential events there will be covered on the island article.

Support

1. As nom. Melozone crissalis (talk) 02:42, 12 April 2026 (UTC)
2. ChaoticVermillion (converse, contribs) 03:51, 12 April 2026 (UTC)
3. Not important than Motobu, Okinawa .飞车过大关 (talk) 18:23, 12 April 2026 (UTC)
4. Ipedecha (talk) 16:49, 17 April 2026 (UTC)

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Organization of supernational regions

Supernational regions are split between Basics and technical geography and Regions and countries. Greater China ◎ 5 and Greater India ◎ 5 are on separate pages, as well as Middle East ◎ 3 and Middle East and North Africa ◎ 5. Is there any rhyme or reason to this? Melozone crissalis (talk) 20:06, 13 April 2026 (UTC)

Remove Kowloon Peninsula

Kowloon Peninsula ◎ 5 is mostly redundant to Kowloon ◎ 5.

Support

1. As nom. Melozone crissalis (talk) 00:27, 15 April 2026 (UTC)
2. Per nom.飞车过大关 (talk) 08:08, 15 April 2026 (UTC)
3. Ipedecha (talk) 16:49, 17 April 2026 (UTC)

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Remove Lake Washington Ship Canal

Lake Washington Ship Canal ◎ 5 only connects Lake Washington  to Puget Sound ◎ 5. Ultimately, it only seems important for the Seattle ◎ 4 metropolitan area, not the USA or the world.

Support

1. As nom. Melozone crissalis (talk) 03:07, 16 April 2026 (UTC)
2. It's mainly just too short.飞车过大关 (talk) 18:08, 16 April 2026 (UTC)
3. Ipedecha (talk) 16:49, 17 April 2026 (UTC)

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Add Olinda

I'm proposing Olinda  now since Ipedecha suggested it as historically important, and some US and Japanese cities were cut so there's room. It would be reasonable to increase Brazil to 41 cities (assuming Londrina  and Joinville  pass) because of its large population and area; Mexico already has 41 with a smaller population.

Support

1. As nom. Melozone crissalis (talk) 04:55, 16 April 2026 (UTC)
2. Olinda is rated top-importance in wikiproject brazil (which i dont agree, Ouro Preto is more important and is rated high, Olinda should be high as well), but it shows how much people consider it important. Ipedecha (talk) 09:45, 16 April 2026 (UTC)
3. 飞车过大关 (talk) 18:10, 16 April 2026 (UTC)

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Swap: Add Bioko, remove Pioneer Island (Russia)

Bioko  is part of the Cameroon line ◎ 5 and Equatorial Guinea ◎ 4. It is the world's 216th largest island by area and Africa's 4th largest at 1,935 sq km, and the world's 106th most populous island at 335 thousand residents.

Pioneer Island (Russia) ◎ 5 is one of four listed islands of Severnaya Zemlya ◎ 5, all of which are apparently uninhabited except for one research? station on Bolshevik Island ◎ 5. It is the world's 257th largest island by area at 1,527 sq km.

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1. Bioko has 61 interwikis, 284 daily pageviews, and 107 watchers, while Pioneer Island has 21 interwikis, 6 daily pageviews, and fewer than 30 watchers. Melozone crissalis (talk) 20:50, 16 April 2026 (UTC)
2. 飞车过大关 (talk) 05:40, 17 April 2026 (UTC)
3. Ipedecha (talk) 16:49, 17 April 2026 (UTC)

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Swap: Add Haida Gwaii, remove Poluwat

Haida Gwaii , historically also known as the Queen Charlotte Islands, is a relatively large archipelago off the western coast of Canada. It is home to the Haida people and there is evidence of habitation as far back as 13,000 years ago, which is close to the time of Peopling of the Americas ◎ 4. The islands of this archipelago are close together, and the entire area is about 10,000 sq km, similar to Hawaiʻi (island) ◎ 5, Jamaica ◎ 4, or Cyprus ◎ 4.

Poluwat ◎ 5 is a relatively minor island of the Federated States of Micronesia ◎ 4 in Chuuk State ◎ 5, which I did not see on a couple maps of the country. It does have its own language but that's not enough to make it vital.

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1. Haida Gwaii has 43 interwikis, 334 daily pageviews, and 174 watchers, while Poluwat has 14 interwikis, 6 daily pageviews, and fewer than 30 watchers. Melozone crissalis (talk) 21:11, 16 April 2026 (UTC)
2. 飞车过大关 (talk) 05:43, 17 April 2026 (UTC)
3. Ipedecha (talk) 16:49, 17 April 2026 (UTC)

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Add Lagoa dos Patos 

Biggest laggon of South America. Rich in biodiversity, the island is also very influential in the transportation, floods and general daily life of Rio Grande do Sul ◎ 5 and its capital Porto Alegre ◎ 4.

Support

1. As nom. Ipedecha (talk) 16:49, 17 April 2026 (UTC)
2. Melozone crissalis (talk) 02:30, 24 April 2026 (UTC)

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Remove Chatham Island and Pitt Island

The individual Chatham Island ◎ 5 and Pitt Island ◎ 5 are not notable enough to be covered by more than the Chatham Islands ◎ 5, also level 5.

Support

1. As nom. Melozone crissalis (talk) 01:38, 22 April 2026 (UTC)
2. Chatham Islands ◎ 5 is enough.飞车过大关 (talk) 20:08, 23 April 2026 (UTC)
3. J947 ‡ ^edits 05:00, 14 June 2026 (UTC)
4. support  Carlwev  05:15, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

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1. Given that previously removal of Pitt Island got 3 support votes and no opposition, I'll notify @J947, DaGizza, and Carlwev: from that discussion. Melozone crissalis (talk) 04:37, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

I supported before and I'll support again - I agree - one has 600 ish population the other less than 100. No incredible size history culture economy or wildlife. One article has no history mentioned at all. Very small in area and population. One has it's own endemic endangered species of petrel bird, which is vaguely interesting but not vital. Thanks for pinging me, I haven't spend much time checking the project or Wikipedia in general for a while, still here just busy with other things.  Carlwev  05:15, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

Together the Chatham Islands ◎ 5 should be vital - see Moriori - but as it consists of one larger and one smaller island, there's not much point in listing both of those as well. Melozone crissalis (talk) 05:24, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

Remove Ghent–Terneuzen Canal

Ghent–Terneuzen Canal ◎ 5 ultimately seems rather minor in importance. I think the list probably has too many canals.

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1. 9 daily pageviews in English, 17 in Dutch. Melozone crissalis (talk) 20:47, 23 April 2026 (UTC)
2. Not important.飞车过大关 (talk) 11:31, 24 April 2026 (UTC)

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Swap: add Dinaric Alps, remove James River (Dakotas)

The Dinaric Alps  are an important mountain range of Europe, with geological and historical significance. The James River (Dakotas) ◎ 5 is not particularly important with relatively low discharge and a small basin.

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1. Dinaric Alps have 60 interwikis and around 350 daily pageviews, while James River has 27 interwikis and 22 daily pageviews. Melozone crissalis (talk) 23:44, 23 April 2026 (UTC)
2. 飞车过大关 (talk) 11:32, 24 April 2026 (UTC)

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Add Great Pacific Garbage Patch

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45,000–129,000 metric tons of trash sitting in the ocean. The largest single example of Water pollution ◎ 4.

(Note: I am not entirely sure if this article should be in this section)

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1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 22:39, 25 April 2026 (UTC)

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Already being proposed here.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 06:40, 26 April 2026 (UTC)

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Add Armenian highlands

The Armenian highlands  are really a large highland / plateau region in western Asia, which is physically distinct. They appear on maps like File:1916 physical map of Asia.jpg (labelled as "Armenian Pl"). The main argument against this would be if it were considered a nationalist/political concept instead of a physical region, but I believe usage of the term is not inherently political.

Support

1. As nom. Melozone crissalis (talk) 21:32, 27 April 2026 (UTC)
2. A very important region in human history.飞车过大关 (talk) 17:25, 28 April 2026 (UTC)
3. The Account 2 (talk) 21:49, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

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Swap: add Strait of Tartary, remove Belkovsky Island

The Strait of Tartary  has been involved in several military conflicts. Belkovsky Island ◎ 5 is one of the smaller New Siberian Islands ◎ 5, and not the most important.

Support

1. Strait of Tartary has 59 interwikis, 57 daily pageviews, and slightly more views on the Russian and Japanese Wikipedias. Belkovsky Island has 30 interwikis, 9 daily pageviews, and far fewer on all other Wikipedias. Melozone crissalis (talk) 21:48, 27 April 2026 (UTC)
2. 間宮海峡 is important.飞车过大关 (talk) 17:27, 28 April 2026 (UTC)
3. Bluevestman (talk) 19:26, 15 May 2026 (UTC)

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Swap: add Toubkal, remove Hoher Dachstein

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At 4,167 m, Toubkal ◎ 5 is the highest peak in Morocco, the Atlas Mountains, North Africa and the Arab world. At 2,995 m, Hoher Dachstein  is not the highest or most prominent peak in the Austrian alps; that would be Grossglockner ◎ 5. Toubkal has far more pageviews in the English Wikipedia (212 vs 20 per day), and more on other Wikipedias, even slightly more in German.

Support

1. As nom. Melozone crissalis (talk) 01:06, 28 April 2026 (UTC)
2. Per nom.飞车过大关 (talk) 17:28, 28 April 2026 (UTC)
3. The Account 2 (talk) 12:29, 30 April 2026 (UTC)
4. Bluevestman (talk) 09:20, 1 May 2026 (UTC)

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Add Copán ◎ 5

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I have moved this proposal here from arts/everyday life.

This UNESCO World Heritage Site is one of the most important archaeological sites of the Maya civilization ◎ 3. There are currently no specific structures listed from Central America.

Support

1. As nom Axeledits (talk) 14:54, 27 April 2026 (UTC)
2. This might be better for the historical cities section, however. Bluevestman (talk) 19:29, 27 April 2026 (UTC)
3. Archaeological sites goes in history, but i support adding in history. Ipedecha (talk) 13:43, 28 April 2026 (UTC)
4. KhaiDo (talk) 10:03, 1 May 2026 (UTC)

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Axeledits (talk) 14:54, 27 April 2026 (UTC)

There are only 15 slots left for Audiovisual arts on the Level 5 list. What happens if we exceed the limit? 飞车过大关 (talk) 19:16, 27 April 2026 (UTC)

Then we should consider swaps & removals - but two days ago you were “not at all worried that adding architectural articles will cause the Level 5 list to run out of quota.” Either way, if this is added to Historical Cities per @Bluevestman:, then it doesn’t affect the arts quota. Axeledits (talk) 21:22, 27 April 2026 (UTC)

I'm pretty pessimistic about any job swaps or removals right now. There are tons of old votes that haven't been resolved, yet people keep flooding the board with new ones. On top of that, about 40% of these new requests are just nonsense. 飞车过大关 (talk) 08:49, 28 April 2026 (UTC)

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Add tar pit and La Brea Tar Pits

Wanted to add the latter due to its status as a well-known Los Angeles landmark, but first we got to add tar pits in general. Tar pits are asphalt deposits formed wherever petroleum is around. Due to being essentially death traps for any animal that wanders in, they are usually archaeological sites.

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1. Bluevestman (talk) 22:37, 3 May 2026 (UTC)

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Add Catskill Mountains

Notable mountain range in New York. The Hudson River School were inspired by these mountains, while various Jewish comedians (such as Rodney Dangerfield ◎ 5) crafted their skill while working on the Borscht Belt, a term referring to the various resorts in the region catered to Jewish New Yorkers.

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1. Bluevestman (talk) 22:12, 6 May 2026 (UTC)

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Add Topographic prominence

Topographic prominence  is an important measure for mountains. It is often used in lists such as List of mountain peaks by prominence / Ultra-prominent peak. This can be added under Topography ◎ 5.

Support

1. As nom. Melozone crissalis (talk) 22:01, 8 May 2026 (UTC)
2. 飞车过大关 (talk) 17:13, 10 May 2026 (UTC)
3. ChaoticV (converse, contribs) 23:04, 12 May 2026 (UTC)

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Topics discussed on level 4 that haven't been proposed at level 5

Here is a list of geography topics discussed on level 4 talk pages that haven't been proposed at level 5, and which are not listed. Some of these are not important enough, but some may be worth considering.

Basics and technical geography

1. Polar circle 
2. Gnomonic projection 
3. Scale (map) 
4. Cartographic censorship 
5. Topological map 
6. Road map 
7. Triangulation (surveying) 
8. Points of the compass 
9. Body relative direction 
10. Sense of place 

Physical geography

1. Koro Sea 
2. Bay of Pigs 
3. Kuroshio Current 
4. Antarctic Circumpolar Current 
5. Kara Strait 
6. Makassar Strait 
7. Canal of the Pharaohs 
8. Volga–Baltic Waterway 
9. Chile Ridge 
10. Gakkel Ridge 
11. South American–Antarctic Ridge 
12. Southeast Indian Ridge 
13. Livingstone Falls 
14. Amazon basin 
15. Congo Basin 
16. Murray–Darling basin 
17. Capri 
18. Chagos Archipelago 
19. Elba 
20. Salsette Island 
21. Aridoamerica 
22. Interior Plains 
23. Laurentian Mountains 
24. North American Cordillera 
25. Victoria Land 
26. Wilkes Land 
27. Mount Sinai 
28. Chagos Marine Protected Area 
29. Galápagos Marine Reserve 
30. Wet Tropics of Queensland 
31. Uluru-Kata Tjuta National Park 
32. Wrangell–St. Elias National Park and Preserve 

Human geography

1. List of sovereign states 
2. Arab states of the Persian Gulf 
3. Crown Dependencies 
4. Iranian Kurdistan 
5. Iraqi Kurdistan 
6. Turkish Kurdistan 
7. Heihe–Tengchong Line 
8. Qinling–Huaihe Line 
9. Ruhr 
10. Volhynia 
11. Eko Atlantic 
12. Khiva 
13. Muncie, Indiana 

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Remove some cities

Doing some impromptu removal nominations. By the way, I nominated a bunch of Tehran's suburbs a couple of months ago.

Remove Quad Cities

Of all the metropolitan areas we have on here, why is this one of them?

Support

1. Bluevestman (talk) 00:51, 26 May 2026 (UTC)
2. Both Quad Cities ◎ 5 and Eugene, Oregon ◎ 5 should absolutely be removed. The importance of these American cities to human history is no greater than that of Newport, Rhode Island ◎ 5, which is about to be removed. Measuring a city's importance solely by its population is one-sided.飞车过大关 (talk) 08:57, 27 May 2026 (UTC)

   Actually, I'm removing it because of its population; it ranks 148th. Bluevestman (talk) 18:10, 27 May 2026 (UTC)

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1. I think it has nothing to do with whether this is a "metropolitan area" instead of a "city" but simply because it's a reasonably large cluster of population. It doesn't have a smaller population than some others like Eugene, Oregon ◎ 5 (though it is at the low end of importance for this list). Melozone crissalis (talk) 00:46, 27 May 2026 (UTC)

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Remove Loni, Ghaziabad and Muzaffarnagar

Not seeing why these are here. The former in particular is a suburb (Ghaziabad) of a suburb (Delhi).

Support

1. Bluevestman (talk) 06:04, 26 May 2026 (UTC)
2. India is the most populous country in the world and has had a large number of million-plus and even ten-million-plus cities since the 2010s. Therefore, Indian cities with a population of less than 600,000 in the 2010s are absolutely unlikely to meet the criteria for the Level 5 list, especially given that these two cities are essentially satellite towns.飞车过大关 (talk) 09:01, 27 May 2026 (UTC)
3. Support removal of Loni, neutral on Muzaffarnagar. Melozone crissalis (talk) 22:30, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

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Remove Yiwu

I don't get why this county-level city is on here.

Support

1. Bluevestman (talk) 10:57, 26 May 2026 (UTC)

   Think I'll withdraw my vote actually. Bluevestman (talk) 06:54, 11 June 2026 (UTC)

2. The only thing that makes Yiwu important is the Yiwu International Trade City . Apart from that, this county town itself is no more important than many Chinese cities not on the level5 list. Yiwu's importance was only established after the 21st century. I believe this city is not more important than Zhangzhou  or Putian .飞车过大关 (talk) 09:23, 27 May 2026 (UTC)

   I'm sure you mean no harm, but any reason for picking two Fujian cities as comparisons rather than places from other provinces? feminist🩸 (talk) 15:59, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

   Because I can choose whichever cities for comparison, as long as they are more significant than Yiwu. Fujian is south of Zhejiang, and the major cities in Taiwan, Guangdong, and Jiangsu are basically all on the Level 5 list, so why can't I take two cities in Fujian as examples? Or do I need to list out all the important cities for you? I think your doubt is completely unnecessary—anyone who has read the history of these two cities would never make such a pointless nitpick, especially when they refer to the largest seaport in China during the Ming Dynasty and the holy land of traditional Chinese faith.飞车过大关 (talk) 16:27, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

   How do you feel about swapping Yiwu with Jiangyin? Bluevestman (talk) 03:25, 11 June 2026 (UTC)

   Jiangyin is far more significant in Chinese history than Yiwu. However, since I personally prefer prefecture-level cities over county-level ones, I'll stay neutral on your proposed swap. 飞车过大关 (talk) 06:46, 11 June 2026 (UTC)

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1. Going by User:Feminist's comment: "Despite Yiwu ◎ 5 being under the jurisdiction of the prefecture-level city of Jinhua, Yiwu is more economically notable due to it being where most low-cost goods from China originate. Think Temu or AliExpress for people outside China. In contrast, Jinhua is just a relatively large area administered as a "city" under the Chinese definition. Not saying that Jinhua should not be listed, but Yiwu should remain on the list even if Jinhua is added". Melozone crissalis (talk) 00:46, 27 May 2026 (UTC)
2. Per Melozone crissalis. feminist🩸 (talk) 15:57, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

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Remove Kalyan-Dombivli and Ulhasnagar

Same thing with these cities.

Support

1. Bluevestman (talk) 10:57, 26 May 2026 (UTC)
2. Why does the level5 list include so many unimportant satellite cities of large metropolitan areas, yet fail to include some important historical ancient cities? To promote the diversity of the level5 list, most satellite cities and suburbs should be removed.飞车过大关 (talk) 09:27, 27 May 2026 (UTC)

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Remove San Juan, Metro Manila, Malabon, Muntinlupa, Navotas, and Mandaluyong

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Manila does not need 15 suburbs listed. Picking these five because they have the lowest amount of interwikis.

Support

1. Bluevestman (talk) 10:57, 26 May 2026 (UTC)
2. Per nom. Melozone crissalis (talk) 00:46, 27 May 2026 (UTC)
3. The level 5 list doesn't even include Shinjuku , yet it lists a large number of Manila's suburbs. Does Manila's importance really warrant adding more than a dozen articles? 飞车过大关 (talk) 09:29, 27 May 2026 (UTC)
4. Per 飞车过大关. Manila ◎ 4 isn't even in Level 3. feminist🩸 (talk) 16:00, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

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Remove Savar

Only twelve interwikis.

Support

1. Bluevestman (talk) 10:57, 26 May 2026 (UTC)
2. In a country with a population of over 100 million, a city with just over 300,000 people can only be considered a small city—especially since it is a featureless satellite city, and moreover, urbanization in Bangladesh has not yet developed.飞车过大关 (talk) 09:31, 27 May 2026 (UTC)
3. Melozone crissalis (talk) 22:30, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

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Remove Bhatpara

Not seeing why these are here. The latter in particular only has seventeen interwikis.

Support

1. Bluevestman (talk) 21:37, 26 May 2026 (UTC)
2. Melozone crissalis (talk) 22:30, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

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1. I already nominated Rajarhat for removal in January. Wikipedia talk:Vital articles/Level 5/History and geography#Swap two Indian cities. Melozone crissalis (talk) 00:46, 27 May 2026 (UTC)

   Close it then. Bluevestman (talk) 00:49, 27 May 2026 (UTC) Removed Rajarhat. Bluevestman (talk) 18:05, 27 May 2026 (UTC)

Remove Sangli Metropolitan Region

Not sure why we have this metropolitan region.

Support

1. Bluevestman (talk) 21:37, 26 May 2026 (UTC)
2. Only support swap with Sangli.飞车过大关 (talk) 09:32, 27 May 2026 (UTC)
3. Support swap with Sangli, otherwise oppose removal. Melozone crissalis (talk) 22:30, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

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1. You could swap with Sangli if you think that's better. Melozone crissalis (talk) 00:46, 27 May 2026 (UTC)

   No, I want this thing removed. Bluevestman (talk) 00:57, 27 May 2026 (UTC)

Remove Jalpaiguri

I think Siliguri is enough.

Support

1. Bluevestman (talk) 21:37, 26 May 2026 (UTC)
2. 飞车过大关 (talk) 09:34, 27 May 2026 (UTC)

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Swap: add Dniester, remove Cimarron River (Arkansas River tributary)

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The Dniester ◎ 5 is a more important river because of its higher flow volume and longer history. Today it flows through Ukraine and forms the boundary between Moldova and the unrecognized state of Transnistria ◎ 4. The Cimarron River (Arkansas River tributary)  parallels the larger Arkansas River ◎ 5 to the north and Canadian River ◎ 5 to the south, limiting its importance. The Dniester has 100 interwikis, 177 daily pageviews, and 121 watchers, while the Cimarron has 30 interwikis, 29 daily pageviews, and fewer than 30 watchers.

Support

1. As nom. Melozone crissalis (talk) 00:46, 27 May 2026 (UTC)
2. 飞车过大关 (talk) 09:35, 27 May 2026 (UTC)
3. Bluevestman (talk) 22:36, 29 May 2026 (UTC)
4. Support agree  Carlwev  23:42, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

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Swap: add Tonlé Sap, remove Amadjuak Lake

Tonlé Sap  is the largest freshwater lake in Southeast Asia. Currently the list includes two lakes in the Philippines but none in mainland Southeast Asia. Amadjuak Lake ◎ 5 is one of two listed lakes on Baffin Island ◎ 4. If we keep Nettilling Lake ◎ 5, the larger one, we probably don’t need Amadjuak Lake also, even though it is the 45th largest lake in the world by area. Larger lakes such as Lake Rukwa  and Lake Nipigon  are not listed. Tonlé Sap has 60 interwikis, 141 daily pageviews, and 74 watchers, while Amadjuak has 19 interwikis, 6 daily pageviews, and fewer than 30 watchers.

Support

1. As nom. Melozone crissalis (talk) 00:46, 27 May 2026 (UTC)
2. 飞车过大关 (talk) 09:39, 27 May 2026 (UTC)
3. Bluevestman (talk) 22:25, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

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Swap: add Lake Natron, remove Lake Simcoe

Lake Natron  is ecologically important and distinctive, known for its highly alkaline water, red color, and as a breeding ground for flamingos. Lake Simcoe ◎ 5 is just a fairly large lake in Canada. Natron has 50 interwikis, 247 daily pageviews, and 112 watchers, while Simcoe has 26 interwikis, 81 daily pageviews, and 60 watchers.

Support

1. As nom. Melozone crissalis (talk) 00:46, 27 May 2026 (UTC)
2. 飞车过大关 (talk) 09:40, 27 May 2026 (UTC)

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Add Alpide belt

The Alpide belt  is the counterpart to the Ring of Fire ◎ 4. It follows the southern boundary of the Eurasian plate.

Support

1. As nom. Melozone crissalis (talk) 00:46, 27 May 2026 (UTC)
2. Bluevestman (talk) 00:56, 27 May 2026 (UTC)

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Remove Avadi

Not seeing the importance of this Chennai suburb.

Support

1. Bluevestman (talk) 04:22, 27 May 2026 (UTC)
2. 飞车过大关 (talk) 09:43, 27 May 2026 (UTC)

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Remove Al-Kharj

Only five interwikis.

Support

1. Bluevestman (talk) 04:50, 28 May 2026 (UTC)
2. Furthermore, this city has a population under 400,000 and lacks significant historical prominence.飞车过大关 (talk) 06:37, 28 May 2026 (UTC)

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Swap: Add Sorocaba, remove Santo André, São Paulo

A swap between two cities in the São Paulo ◎ 3 region. Sorocaba  has its own metropolitan region with 2 million people within the São Paulo macrometropolis, while Santo André, São Paulo ◎ 5 is part of ABC Region along with São Bernardo do Campo ◎ 5. Although the name Santo André goes back to Santo André da Borda do Campo in 1553, the settlement was abandoned and according to the article it wasn't redeveloped as a city until the 19th century, and the article says that Sorocaba has been a continuous settlement since the 17th century. Sorocaba seems important in manufacturing, and it has more views than Santo André on the English and Portuguese Wikipedias.

Support

1. As nom. Melozone crissalis (talk) 00:34, 29 May 2026 (UTC)
2. 飞车过大关 (talk) 08:20, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
3. Bluevestman (talk) 20:01, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

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Add Thatta

Thatta  was the capital city of Sindh ◎ 4 under various regimes and has important buildings including Makli Necropolis and Shah Jahan Mosque, Thatta. Although it's not that large today, Pakistan also has a small number of cities on the list relative to its population. Melozone crissalis (talk) 00:34, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. Melozone crissalis (talk) 00:34, 29 May 2026 (UTC)
2. 飞车过大关 (talk) 08:22, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

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Add Trabzon

Trabzon  is a very old and reasonably large city in the Black Sea region ◎ 5 of Turkey, which currently has only Samsun ◎ 5 listed, though the region has over 7 million people. Turkey itself has half as many cities listed as Germany, the UK, France, or Italy, despite having a larger population.

Support

1. As nom. Melozone crissalis (talk) 23:02, 29 May 2026 (UTC)
2. Pontus (region)  also important.飞车过大关 (talk) 08:29, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
3. The Account 2 (talk) 18:12, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

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Add İzmit

Like Trabzon, İzmit  is also a very old and historically important city in Turkey (see Nicomedia ◎ 5), and Turkey is populous enough to have more cities listed.

Support

1. As nom. Melozone crissalis (talk) 23:02, 29 May 2026 (UTC)
2. 飞车过大关 (talk) 08:31, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
3. The Account 2 (talk) 18:12, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

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Swap: add Chari River, remove Milk River (Alberta–Montana)

Chari River  is the largest river flowing into Lake Chad ◎ 4, an endorrheic basin in Africa, so it's important for this arid region of the world. Milk River (Alberta–Montana) ◎ 5 doesn't seem particularly important outside of some small significance in the Lewis and Clark expedition . Its watershed is sparsely populated and its flow rate is low.

Support

1. Chari has 61 interwikis while Milk has 27 interwikis. Although Milk has slightly more pageviews on the English Wikipedia, if all Wikipedias are added together, Chari has more. Melozone crissalis (talk) 23:02, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

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Swap: add Mount Lebanon, remove Binalud Mountains

Mount Lebanon  is more historically important to the Mediterranean world/Levant than Binalud Mountains ◎ 5 are to Iran.

Support

1. Mount Lebanon has 58 interwikis, 197 daily pageviews and 103 watchers, while Binalud Mountains have 9 interwikis, 4 daily pageviews, and fewer than 30 watchers. Melozone crissalis (talk) 23:02, 29 May 2026 (UTC)
2. 飞车过大关 (talk) 07:08, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

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Swap: add Laurentian Mountains, remove Cape York (Greenland)

The Laurentian Mountains  are an extensive feature in eastern Canada. Cape York (Greenland) ◎ 5 is a relative inconsequential cape on Greenland's coast.

Support

1. Laurentian Mountains have 23 interwikis, 116 daily pageviews and 48 watchers, while Cape York has 20 interwikis, 16 daily pageviews, and fewer than 30 watchers. Melozone crissalis (talk) 23:02, 29 May 2026 (UTC)
2. 飞车过大关 (talk) 09:00, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

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Swap: add Alaska Range, remove Acteon Group

Alaska Range  contains Denali ◎ 4, the highest mountain in North America. Acteon Group ◎ 5 is a group of uninhabited islands in French Polynesia, which are associated with the Gambier Islands ◎ 5 and Tuamotus ◎ 5.

Support

1. Alaska Range has 46 interwikis, 98 daily pageviews and 59 watchers, while Acteon Group has 20 interwikis, 5 daily pageviews, and fewer than 30 watchers. Melozone crissalis (talk) 23:02, 29 May 2026 (UTC)
2. Support remove, oppose add.飞车过大关 (talk) 08:43, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
3. Bluevestman (talk) 17:41, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

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Swap Wah Cantonment for Taxila

If we’re gonna have a city in the Islamabad–Rawalpindi metropolitan area known for its education, wouldn't Taxila be better? (Note that more than 100,000 people currently live there, so we can't place it under historical cities.)

Support

1. Bluevestman (talk) 18:07, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
2. 飞车过大关 (talk) 18:16, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
3. Melozone crissalis (talk) 00:44, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

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Add Mesopotamian Marshes, remove Balleny Islands

Mesopotamian Marshes  are an important wetland ecosystem, and are the homeland of the Marsh Arabs, though they have been drained since the mid-20th century. The Balleny Islands ◎ 5 are a group of uninhabited Antarctic islands with relatively low importance to humanity.

Support

1. As nom. Melozone crissalis (talk) 00:44, 1 June 2026 (UTC)
2. It's unbelievable that the Mesopotamian Marshes aren't even on the level 5 list. It seems Iraq's representation in the Level 5 list is worse than I imagined.飞车过大关 (talk) 03:15, 1 June 2026 (UTC)
3. Bluevestman (talk) 19:02, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

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Add Gwadar

As it's likely that several cities in Pakistan will be removed, I suggest adding Gwadar , as a port in Balochistan (Pakistan)  owned by Oman from 1783 to 1958, which is now being developed in collaboration with China as part of the Belt and Road Initiative ◎ 5.

Support

1. As nom. Melozone crissalis (talk) 00:44, 1 June 2026 (UTC)
2. important.飞车过大关 (talk) 03:17, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

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Add Khiva, remove Kostanay

Khiva , in Uzbekistan, has been recorded in history for centuries and was the capital of the Khanate of Khiva ◎ 5 and important in the Silk Road ◎ 3, which I think makes it vital despite its current population of only 100,000. Kostanay ◎ 5, in Kazakhstan, was founded by Russian settlers in 1879 and, with a population of 277,000 isn't large enough to be vital solely on that basis, despite being the primary city of the Kostanay Region.

Support

1. Khiva has 70 interwikis, 324 daily pageviews, and 64 watchers, while Kostanay has 65 interwikis, 56 daily pageviews, and fewer than 30 watchers. (Although Kostanay has a lot more views on the Russian Wikipedia). Melozone crissalis (talk) 00:44, 1 June 2026 (UTC)
2. Per nom.飞车过大关 (talk) 03:18, 1 June 2026 (UTC)
3. Bluevestman (talk) 17:35, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

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Remove Moratuwa

Not seeing the vitality of this outer suburb of Colombo.

Support

1. Bluevestman (talk) 17:37, 1 June 2026 (UTC)
2. 飞车过大关 (talk) 18:24, 1 June 2026 (UTC)
3. Melozone crissalis (talk) 01:17, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

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Add Peru–Chile Trench, remove Chilean Sea

Peru–Chile Trench  runs along most of the west coast of South America, as the Nazca plate ◎ 5 subducts under the South American plate ◎ 5. The Chilean Sea ◎ 5 is just a region of ocean under the jurisdiction of Chile, not a sea defined by natural features. The list doesn't include similar jurisdictions for other countries. Territorial disputes in the South China Sea ◎ 5 is listed, but that's about a dispute, not just a region of sea.

Support

1. The trench has 40 daily pageviews and 44 watchers, while the sea has 13 daily pageviews and fewer than 30 watchers. Melozone crissalis (talk) 01:17, 2 June 2026 (UTC)
2. Bluevestman (talk) 01:19, 2 June 2026 (UTC)
3. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 22:29, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

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Southern Africa

Add Highveld

The Highveld , the grassland region in the eastern South African plateau, contains about half of South Africa's population, is fertile agricultural land, and many productive mines.

Support

1. As nom. Melozone crissalis (talk) 07:51, 2 June 2026 (UTC)
2. Bluevestman (talk) 21:13, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

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Add Great Escarpment, Southern Africa

Great Escarpment, Southern Africa  extends from Angola through Namibia, South Africa, Lesotho and Zimbabwe, influencing the climate of the region such as the Karoo ◎ 5, Kalahari Desert ◎ 4 and Namib ◎ 5. The best known part, Drakensberg ◎ 4 is listed, but the whole escarpment is important.

Support

1. As nom. Melozone crissalis (talk) 07:51, 2 June 2026 (UTC)
2. Bluevestman (talk) 21:13, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

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Remove Bolshoy Lyakhovsky Island and Maly Lyakhovsky Island

I don't think it's important to list Bolshoy Lyakhovsky Island ◎ 5 and Maly Lyakhovsky Island ◎ 5 as well as Lyakhovsky Islands ◎ 5 AND New Siberian Islands ◎ 5. A certain number of organisms have been found preserved in ice, and the geology of the region is detailed, but this is probably too many uninhabited islands for this list.

Support

1. As nom. Melozone crissalis (talk) 07:51, 2 June 2026 (UTC)
2. 飞车过大关 (talk) 09:27, 3 June 2026 (UTC)
3. Bluevestman (talk) 21:13, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

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Add Tibesti Mountains, remove Trou au Natron

It's more important to prioritize the Tibesti Mountains  than the single volcano Trou au Natron ◎ 5 located in it. Tibesti has 20 times as many pageviews.

Support

1. As nom. Melozone crissalis (talk) 05:22, 4 June 2026 (UTC)
2. Bluevestman (talk) 08:48, 4 June 2026 (UTC)
3. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:41, 5 June 2026 (UTC)
4. 飞车过大关 (talk) 07:05, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

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Remove Asan

Not seeing the vitality of this South Korean city.

Support

1. Bluevestman (talk) 09:07, 4 June 2026 (UTC)
2. There's no need for South Korea to have so many cities. In terms of land area, GDP, and even population, South Korea is comparable to China's Zhejiang province. Yet, the number of Level 5 cities in South Korea equals the combined total of six Chinese provincial-level regions: Jiangsu, Shanghai, Zhejiang, Anhui, Fujian, and Jiangxi. This simply defies logic. South Korean cities are clearly overrepresented on the Level 5 list.飞车过大关 (talk) 19:42, 5 June 2026 (UTC)
3. 飞车过大关's point is reasonable. Melozone crissalis (talk) 22:49, 5 June 2026 (UTC)
4. The Account 2 (talk) 11:23, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

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Add Weifang

Has a metro population of more than three million.

Support

1. Bluevestman (talk) 22:30, 6 June 2026 (UTC)
2. The largest city in the world which isn't listed. Melozone crissalis (talk) 23:40, 6 June 2026 (UTC)
3. Weifang is the birthplace of Kite ◎ 4, one of China's most important agricultural cities, and also one of its oldest cities (as Qingzhou is part of Weifang). However, considering that slightly too many cities from Shandong are included, I may propose removing Dongying ◎ 5 when necessary in the future, as its importance has been seriously overestimated.飞车过大关 (talk) 05:54, 7 June 2026 (UTC)
4. The Account 2 (talk) 11:23, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

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Swap Fife ◎ 5 for Gaeltacht 

Fife is a fairly minor part of Scotland, while the Gaeltacht is the Irish speaking part of Ireland, the only place where the island's native language is still spoken Finnfrog99 (talk) 16:49, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

Support

1. Nominator Finnfrog99 (talk) 16:49, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

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1. The Level 5 list never includes such fragmented, government-defined artificial regions that span multiple areas and are based solely on language prevalence.飞车过大关 (talk) 12:41, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

Discuss

Can you please learn how to format a proposal properly? Bluevestman (talk) 19:16, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

Add Liuzhou

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OK, so I would overall like to add cities that appear on this list, however, I'm pretty sure most of the cities that are not on here are Chinese cities. And keep in mind, this list includes county-level cities (Jiangyin and Yiwu), so I don't know how important Liuzhou is beyond "big population" and "prefecture-level".

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Neutral for now. Bluevestman (talk) 17:33, 11 June 2026 (UTC)

@Bluevestman: This is already proposed: Wikipedia talk:Vital articles/Level 5/History and geography#Swap some Chinese cities with 4 votes for addition, but it's held up because it's 3-1 for removal. Melozone crissalis (talk) 19:30, 11 June 2026 (UTC)

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Add Cape Cod, remove Middle Peninsula

Cape Cod  was removed in December with a poor rationale, stating it had little importance outside of Massachusetts. But it's actually more important than most of the peninsulas on the list. In any case, certainly more than the Middle Peninsula ◎ 5 in Virginia.

Support

1. Cape Cod has 45 interwikis, ~900 daily pageviews, and 304 page watchers. Middle Peninsula has 5 interwikis, 23 daily pageviews, and fewer than 30 watchers. Melozone crissalis (talk) 07:31, 13 June 2026 (UTC)
2. Bluevestman (talk) 07:15, 17 June 2026 (UTC)
3. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:11, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

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Add Huai'an

Again, I think we should overall have every city with at least million people on here (and the idea that a big population is a sign of how important a city is not a Western thing, that's an "everywhere but China" thing). The city does look pretty important besides the huge population, with Han Xin ◎ 5, Wu Cheng'en ◎ 5 and Zhou Enlai ◎ 4 being born here.

Support

1. Bluevestman (talk) 07:26, 17 June 2026 (UTC)
2. The Account 2 (talk) 18:11, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

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