Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2025 October 25
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 00:28, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
Only one use (Kavalactone), and the numbered captions of the images in it make it only really usable in that context to correpond with that article. Proposing substitute and then delete. DMacks (talk) 22:01, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:38, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 00:27, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
- Template:Hidden1 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused and almost-useless template whose functionality is very different from the existing, similarly named {{Hidden}}. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 21:05, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:38, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per WP:G5 given that the creator has been globally locked for long-term abuse. 88.97.192.42 (talk) 18:20, 29 October 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2025 November 2. ✗plicit 00:26, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 00:26, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
- Template:TimesRoman (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused and all it does is show the words Times New Roman in large font size. If work in progress, we can userfy it. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:41, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - unused, unneeded, unhelpful. -Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 20:18, 1 November 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 00:26, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
Unused sidebar with a deleted article link and mostly plain text. Article had been deleted early this week for copyright infrigement. Highly unlikely this will be used at all. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:38, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
- Delete I was about to nominate this template for deletion myself. Even the one blue link it has is off-topic from the subject of this sidebar. --DB1729talk 15:56, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
- Delete what is this monstrosity?! Not useful or helpful in anyway. Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 23:50, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
- Delete as functionless. Thanks, 1isall (he/him) (talk | contribs) 01:25, 29 October 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was redirect to Template:Controversial. Izno (talk) 22:52, 13 November 2025 (UTC)
- Template:Controversial issues (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Controversial (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Propose merging Template:Controversial issues with Template:Controversial.
These two templates are strikingly similar, with Controversial being far more widely used. I think either the two should be merged, or else Controversial issues should be deleted, as the latter honestly presents information that is common sense to most experienced editors. Newbzy (talk) 13:16, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
- Any change since Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2025 June 19#Template:Controversial? One used by editors and the other by Arbitration Committee enforcement procedures (used by admins only). One template links to an essay the other to enforcement procedure.Moxy🍁 14:42, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
- This assertion that one is used for ArbCom is simply incorrect. Izno (talk) 18:56, 29 October 2025 (UTC)
- Strong delete. There is no absolutely reason to keep these two separate, especially as we risk them both being added to the same page. If there was one thing participants in the previous discussion could agree on is that they shouldn't appear both on the same page, and, in my view, this is the only solution which can guarantee that. (I still think the Controversial template should be deleted to help fight banner blindness, but it seems that ship has unfortuntely sailed.) FaviFake (talk) 15:16, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
- An error now appears if both used on an article due to being redundant. Perhaps the one used by editors/article stewart's should be renamed so those that don't read links and template documentation can readily see a difference. Move Template:Controversial to Template:Polemical alongside a move of the essay itself Wikipedia:Controversial articles to Wikipedia:Polemical articles.Moxy🍁 15:26, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
- I still believe both should be deleted as prime examples of banner blindness. Second choice would be merging and requiring an explanation of exactly what is controversial. We don't need lots of boilerplate on articles. Again, neither template has anything to do with ArbCom; they just allow editors to label their articles as controversial without doing anything to help editors edit better. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 16:30, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
- The above replies is an example of why I think we should separate the names of these so those unaware that one documents an enforcement procedure of the Arbitration Committee about specific contentious topics Wikipedia:Contentious topics vs a link to an essay Wikipedia:Controversial articles. Moxy🍁 16:49, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge Template:Controversial issues into Template:Controversial, as the latter has better documentation about when to use this banner and appears in other templates. Template:Controversial issues appears to have been moved from Template:Controversial-issues, by user Newbzy, without taking the documentation at Template:Controversial-issues/doc with it. This page has a longer title appears to have been an attempt to clone the Template:Controversial, which I still think is needed. But I am not clear why we need to have two different templates that appear to say the same thing. The labelling should imply that the article is considered a controversial one, not just an article about a controversial topic, although the article might not be controversial, e.g. I see the topic of Crime is listed as being controversial, but its articles are generally not. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 07:46, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Delete Any topic or subject can be labelled as "controversial", so that template (including Template:Controversial) is useless. Some1 (talk) 00:19, 31 October 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Template:Controversial, delete Template:Controversial issues. 123957a (talk) 07:35, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
- Comment if {{controversial issues}} is kept, it should be renamed to {{contentious issues}} since it links to WP:Contentious topics -- NOTE: there is a bunch of templates for {{contentious}} -- 65.92.246.12 (talk) 03:06, 3 November 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per Cameron Dewe's reasoning. SnowyRiver28 (talk) 08:21, 3 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete {{Controversial issues}} as a weird mix of other templates. @User:Andrybak added
[[WP:Contentious topics]], but that should only be linked by {{ArbCom template}}s like {{ct/tn}}. "see if the issue has been raised before" is {{round in circles}}. "Before making any" is {{consensus}}. Keep {{Controversial}} per previous discussion. 172.97.220.91 (talk) 18:24, 3 November 2025 (UTC) - Redirect issues to "controversial" Cambalachero (talk) 19:35, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Infobox gridiron football biography. ✗plicit 00:25, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
- Template:Infobox college football player (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Infobox gridiron football biography (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Propose merging Template:Infobox college football player with Template:Infobox gridiron football biography.
Merge into Infobox gridiron football biography. If you look at Arch Manning (a current college player), the only real difference in display is the class and major parameters and those could just be added to the gridiron infobox where roster status is for pro players. Major isn't strictly necessary anyway since it always gets removed later, and no one cares to add it to the body. Here is what Manning looks like with the gridiron infobox. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 07:29, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge It is time. WikiProject College Basketball had agreed to migrate from a college specific template to the basketball-generic {{Infobox basketball biography}} template over a decade ago. While college players were touted as student athletes to avoid paying "amateurs" (pre-NIL days), their notability has little to do with their major, either then or now. Save us the annual tedium of coverting infoboxes when a college player turns pro. MOS:INFOBOX says:
Just make all (American) football players' infoboxes the same already.—Bagumba (talk) 08:33, 25 October 2025 (UTC)Infoboxes, particularly infobox forks for the same category of articles, should maintain a consistent appearance with related infoboxes, particularly in relation to layout, colour and structure.
- Merge per Bagumba-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 14:04, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per above. No clear reason to keep the two separate. ThaesOfereode (talk) 14:56, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Let'srun (talk) 16:59, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge only if "Class" is added to the main template. In college football, whether a student is a redshirt or not, or what year they are is important. TrueCRaysball 💬|✏️ 21:31, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
- FWIW the basketball biography templates for college basketball players do not include class or redshirt status.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 22:29, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge this an easy yes. Should have been part of all the previous mergers. I think we just overlooked this one. -Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 23:48, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per all the above, just add the players major and their year to the current gridiron football/NFL template. Maxx1222 (talk) 10:47, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge but omit
|major=, as that is usually not even mentioned or cited in the article body and is irrelevant anyway for 95% of professional players.|class=would only pertain to college players and we should avoid time-sensitive parameters like this; the basketball infobox also omits these two. Would|college=/|pastschools=be merged? On a side note, could somebody please try and fix Module:College color so it properly displays in dark mode? I've tried in the past but its beyond my level of Lua knowledge and all my previous requests have been ignored or unhelpful. — Dissident93 (talk) 16:37, 26 October 2025 (UTC)- I'd keep class. It's important to know what class someone is in. Roster status for pro players is time-sensitive too. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 22:33, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
- If it's coded to auto-hide (like status) once on a professional team, then I'm fine with keeping that. — Dissident93 (talk) 23:09, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- I'd keep class. It's important to know what class someone is in. Roster status for pro players is time-sensitive too. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 22:33, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge as don't need separate template when almost all parameters are the same. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:10, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge: Agree with the above sentiments. Will make the creation of new pages more simple and accessible. ----The Robot Parade 19:36, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom! Gatemansgc (TɅ̊LK) 04:37, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom microTato(🗯️) (✍🏻) 18:16, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Comment I've started to prep for the merge but have a few questions. Should we keep
|espn=? The id actually transfers over if a player makes it to the NFL unlike the others, which I rarely see used anyway.|bowlgames=should also probably be omitted as we remove info like that for pro players. — Dissident93 (talk) 23:26, 27 October 2025 (UTC)- Maybe once someone gets a PFR profile, we can auto-hide the ESPN one. I don't really wanna display both at the same time. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 23:39, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge—long overdue. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:48, 29 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. XtraJovial (talk • contribs) 16:00, 31 October 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 00:24, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
Only seems to be used by a now–CIR blocked editor. Subst and delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:50, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. — Alex26337 (talk) 03:30, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
- Delete unused, unneeded & unhelpful.
Also probably WP:G5. Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 06:23, 25 October 2025 (UTC) - Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:38, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
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