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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article review. Please do not modify it. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or at Wikipedia talk:Featured article review. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was kept by Casliber via FACBot (talk) 0:56, 23 December 2024 (UTC) .

Bart Simpson

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I am nominating this featured article for review because...The article is obviously outdated and doesn't meet the modern FA criteria. The article went a lot of changes and the prose isn't FA quality already. There are lots of reliable and scholarly sources that need to be updated for the article to be updated + the article uses a lot of low-quality sources and the citations are poorly formatted. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 06:54, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Issues raised in the review section include currency and sourcing. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:15, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Considering, @Z1720, Boneless Pizza!, and Sgubaldo: what specifically needs updating? I could fix the citation formatting and low-quality cites. 750h+ 10:41, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do we need to be specific btw? Most of the section looks like you really needs to start from scratch. Its a lot of work, not just updating though. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 16:07, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Boneless Pizza!: Naming the specific sections that need updating helps others, as interested editors can take a look and see if they agree or disagree. A one-sentence statement about what needs to be updated, or suggestions on what to add, can also help, especially from subject-matter experts who can identify what is missing. Z1720 (talk) 17:16, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Boneless Pizza!: per Z1720, if you want me to help i'm gonna need a little more than that (i've never worked on a cartoon character before) 750h+ 23:40, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not expert either at cartoon characters, except at video games. But yeah,at first glance it needs a lot of improvement 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 14:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Z1720, Boneless Pizza!, and Sgubaldo: I'm going to ping @Xeroctic and Pallettown: who seem to be frequent contributors to the project, but otherwise I'm moving towards keep rather than delist (not officially voting now), as aside from the citation formatting, one page needed tag and minor copyedits that could be implemented, the article seems to be in fine shape, aside from the unreliable sources which I can remove and replace (not too much work). I don't see any need to add anything date-related unless he appears in another movie or something extraordinary happens; the article doesn't list many dates (it primarily lists his characteristics and developments) and doesn't need to list every episode he appears in. I'm happy to fix the issues remaining however. 750h+ 13:20, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
+ the reception section needs to be overhauled and expanded; while the character's design and merchandise section needs to be expanded more. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 13:24, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Boneless Pizza!: sounds easy. Will do once I finish some other work. 750h+ 13:26, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@750h+ Wow, it seems like all the tough ones look easy at you. You're also pretty quick at gaining more of those brown stars. Wikipedia should be thankful at your work! 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 13:32, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm trying to save the more iconic ones like this and the Notorious B.I.G. because you'd probably rather something never be an FA rather than it being an FA and seeing it get delisted, and so if it's an iconic person that just makes it all the more depressing, which is why i'm trying to stop it 750h+ 13:38, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It seems like you're not only good at Car articles, interesting. Honestly, I'm also on verge of sending Homer Simpson to FAR soon as I'm maintaining the FAs at WP:Fictional characters asap. Though, I only work RE characters. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 13:54, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Boneless Pizza!: I kind of disagree with the expanding of the design and merchandise ; they both seem well sized. What do you think needs adding? 750h+ 02:06, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Unless there's more in google news. I think design could be possibly be added a tiny bit. But if you can't find anything, its fine. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 13:14, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's not much information about the character past 2010. The only two sentences I could find were "In "Simpsorama" (season 26, 2014) Bart states his birthday as February 23" and "In 2022, Paste writers claimed that Bart is the 26th best cartoon character of all time". Sgubaldo (talk) 19:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Since I was pinged, I will mention that I put the corresponding good topic for delisting a while ago (due to the delisting of Maggie and partially due to this FAR being pending).

Having edited this article occasionally, I am mostly making minor rewordings and doing redirect maintenance rather than writing content. There has been a little noteworthy coverage in recent years that could be added, such as the character's non-canon 11th birthday, which could warrant a brief mention in the article (but I am unsure where it would be most suitable). Xeroctic (talk) 14:32, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some additional comments after a quick review:
  • "In "The Blue and the Gray", Bart (along with Lisa and Maggie) finally questions why his hair has no visible border to separate head from hair." is uncited. I'm not sure it is necessary in the article: if it is, the explanation should be included.
  • In "Hallmarks" there's an entire paragraph devoted to Bart's nude scene in the Simpson's Movie. Is this really a Hallmark if it happens once, or perhaps its just fancruft and can be removed.
  • "Groening, Matt (October 28, 2010)." is listed in the Bibliography but is not used as an inline citation.
I hope this helps. Z1720 (talk) 15:55, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That image, according to the file discussion page, is meant to depict two hallmarks; skateboarding at (at least partial) nudity, as well as depicting a notorious scene from The Simpsons Movie, so I think it could stay as it is. Xeroctic (talk) 12:27, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, should the discussion about that image be listed at WP:FfD, since you removed it and may be considering replacing it? Xeroctic (talk) 12:30, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed with Xeroctic, most of the paragraph discusses the skateboarding scene. 750h+ 12:32, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Restored. Anyway, the article looks good now. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 12:34, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Z1720: do you have any comments? 750h+ 16:29, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have no concerns after a quick skim. If I find time, I will take a closer look but would not be bothered if this is declared keep beforehand. Z1720 (talk) 03:24, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep- No major issues and concerns have been addressed and fixed. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 04:53, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@FAR coordinators: with three keep votes and one editor who currently has no concerns and would not be bothered if this were closed, can we close this? I'd like to get this on WP:TFAR for April 1 as his birthday. Thanks. 750h+ 08:13, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
April 1st is also April Fools' Day, when a more humorous featured article is often featured (but not always), but due to the subject being a well-known fictional prankster, I think it could count. Xeroctic (talk) 09:32, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I know, and that's part of the reason why 750h+ 09:35, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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