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Hello, I'm JalenBarks. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Hlongwane, but you didn't provide a reliable source. On Wikipedia, it's important that article content be verifiable. If you'd like to resubmit your change with a citation, your edit is archived in the page history. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Jalen Barks (Woof) 18:51, 15 July 2026 (UTC)
- Hi there, please find the published scholarly sources for the edits made to the article, Hlongwane:
- Van Warmelo, N.J (1938). History of Matiwane and the Amangwane Tribe. Pretoria, Republic of South Africa: Union of South Africa's Department of Native Affairs. p. 222. ISBN 9781928326205.
- Patricks, Richard (2002). Tibongo Netinanatelo Temaswati/Swazi Surnames and their Praise names. Mbabane, Kingdom of Eswatini: Swaziland National Trust Commission, Natural History Society of Swaziland, Conservation Trust of Swaziland. pp. 21, 63.
- Masila Ndawo, Henry (1939). Iziduko Zama-Hlubi [Clan Names of The Hlubi] (in Xhosa). The Lovedale Press. pp. 20–21.
- Bryant (PhD), A.T (1949). The Zulu People as they were before the white people came (1st ed.). Shuter & Shooter Publishers (Pty) Ltd. p. 18.
- Soga, Rev. John Henderson (2013). The South-Eastern Bantu (Abe-Nguni, Aba-Mbo, Ama-Lala). Cambridge University Press. pp. 360–394.
- Wright, J.B (1991). The Mfecane Aftermath. University of Natal. p. 8.
- Peires, Jeffrey Brian (1976). A History of the Xhosa (c 1700 - 1835). Rhodes University. pp. 195–197.
- Mqhayi, S.E.K (1937). Umhlekazi U Hintsa [King Hintsa] (in Xhosa). The Lovedale Press. pp. 7–8.
- Best,
- Ngwane
Please refrain from hijacking pages, as you did with Hlongwane. Should you believe the subject you were writing about deserves an article, please use the Article Wizard, which has an option to create a draft version that you can then get feedback on. Please also see Wikipedia's disambiguation guideline which indicates how to handle separate subjects with similar names. If you continue to hijack an existing article, you may be blocked from editing. If you have any questions, you are always welcome to ask me on my talk page. Thank you. In solidarity, Jalen Barks (Woof) 02:34, 16 July 2026 (UTC)
- HI Jalen Barks, you submitted a request to provide reliable sources for the updates made to Hlongwane. This request was satisfied by Ngwane as documented above in their message at 02:22, 16 July 2026 (UTC). Here are the verified scholarly sources provided by Ngwane once more
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1) Van Warmelo, N.J (1938). History of Matiwane and the Amangwane Tribe. Pretoria, Republic of South Africa: Union of South Africa's Department of Native Affairs. p. 222. ISBN 9781928326205.
2) Patricks, Richard (2002). Tibongo Netinanatelo Temaswati/Swazi Surnames and their Praise names. Mbabane, Kingdom of Eswatini: Swaziland National Trust Commission, Natural History Society of Swaziland, Conservation Trust of Swaziland. pp. 21, 63.
3)Masila Ndawo, Henry (1939). Iziduko Zama-Hlubi [Clan Names of The Hlubi] (in Xhosa). The Lovedale Press. pp. 20–21.
4)Bryant (PhD), A.T (1949). The Zulu People as they were before the white people came (1st ed.). Shuter & Shooter Publishers (Pty) Ltd. p. 18.
5)Soga, Rev. John Henderson (2013). The South-Eastern Bantu (Abe-Nguni, Aba-Mbo, Ama-Lala). Cambridge University Press. pp. 360–394.
6)Wright, J.B (1991). The Mfecane Aftermath. University of Natal. p. 8.
7) Peires, Jeffrey Brian (1976). A History of the Xhosa (c 1700 - 1835). Rhodes University. pp. 195–197.
8) Mqhayi, S.E.K (1937). Umhlekazi U Hintsa [King Hintsa] (in Xhosa). The Lovedale Press. pp. 7–8.
Why did Jalen Barks remove the page contents despite the provided sources meeting published scholarly requirements? Please provide some additional explanation here. It seems that Jalen Barks may be removing verified information from the article Hlongwane. Jalen Barks Unjustified removal of verified subject-matter added by Ngwane is harmful to the completeness of the Hlongwane article ~2026-39624-51 (talk) 02:43, 16 July 2026 (UTC)
- With all due respect, I'm not trying to completely destroy your work. Your work is still available in the page history and you can use that content to start a draft at Draft:Hlongwane (clan), as it seems there's a clear distinction between the social group and the surname. In solidarity, Jalen Barks (Woof) 02:55, 16 July 2026 (UTC)
- Hey Ad Orientem User:Ad Orientem,
- Multiple peer-reviewed sources have been provided above citing changes that were made to the Hlongwane wikipedia page. To confirm this fact once again, the sources provided by Ngwane were peer-reviewed by academic scholars and published by Republic of South Africa, The Kingdom of Eswathini, and by accredited universities and colleges. Why did you decide to enforce the version of the page arbitrarily desired by JalenBarks, despite them not providing any evidence supporting their claim that there is distinction between the social group and the surname? JalenBarks did not provide any evidence supporting their claim that there is a distinction between a Hlongwane social group and a Hlongwane surname, yet they were able to enforce their desired version of the page. JalenBarks's update, stemming from an unsubstantiated claim that there is a distinction between a Hlongwane social group and a Hlongwane surname, is still live on the Hlongwane Wikipedia page. This blind, administrator-backed support of an unsubstantiated viewpoint is not consistent with Wikipedia's commitment to published researched and proven articles. ~2026-39624-51 (talk) 17:18, 17 July 2026 (UTC)
- Hey Jalen Barks thank you for your response that you feel there is a distinction between the the Hlongwane social group and the surname. Can you please provide any reliable source supporting such a belief that there is distinction between a Hlongwane social group and a Hlongwane surname? Are you able to provide any reliable source that disprove the published and peer-reviewed scholarly articles provided by Ngwane?
- In each of their previous two response, Ngwane has provided 8 published scholarly supported sources about the Hlongwane. Jalen Barks has provided zero reliable sources supporting their premise that there is a distinction between a Hlongwane social group and a Hlongwane surname.
Jalen Barks It is important that updates to Wikipedia pages are examined on their factual credibility as supported by reliable sources. Wikipedia is aligned with peer reviewed sources such as the published scholarly writings provided by Ngwane above.
- Jalen Barks Once again, here are the 8 verified scholarly sources provided by Ngwane about the Hlongwane surname:
- 1) Van Warmelo, N.J (1938). History of Matiwane and the Amangwane Tribe. Pretoria, Republic of South Africa: Union of South Africa's Department of Native Affairs. p. 222. ISBN 9781928326205.
- 2) Patricks, Richard (2002). Tibongo Netinanatelo Temaswati/Swazi Surnames and their Praise names. Mbabane, Kingdom of Eswatini: Swaziland National Trust Commission, Natural History Society of Swaziland, Conservation Trust of Swaziland. pp. 21, 63.
- 3)Masila Ndawo, Henry (1939). Iziduko Zama-Hlubi [Clan Names of The Hlubi] (in Xhosa). The Lovedale Press. pp. 20–21.
- 4)Bryant (PhD), A.T (1949). The Zulu People as they were before the white people came (1st ed.). Shuter & Shooter Publishers (Pty) Ltd. p. 18.
- 5)Soga, Rev. John Henderson (2013). The South-Eastern Bantu (Abe-Nguni, Aba-Mbo, Ama-Lala). Cambridge University Press. pp. 360–394.
- 6)Wright, J.B (1991). The Mfecane Aftermath. University of Natal. p. 8.
- 7) Peires, Jeffrey Brian (1976). A History of the Xhosa (c 1700 - 1835). Rhodes University. pp. 195–197.
- 8) Mqhayi, S.E.K (1937). Umhlekazi U Hintsa [King Hintsa] (in Xhosa). The Lovedale Press. pp. 7–
- Jalen Barks please provide any reliable source supporting your claim that there is a distinction between the Hlongwane social group and the surname. At the very least, please provide any reliable source challenging Ngwane's peer-reviewed sources listed above.
Jalen Barks Please refrain from removing peer reviewed subject-matter from the Hlongwane Wikipedia article if you are not able to provide evidence supporting your claim of social group versus surname distinctions among the Hlongwane. ~2026-39624-51 (talk) 03:21, 16 July 2026 (UTC)
Please discuss the ongoing dispute on the article talk page and seek WP:CONSENSUS for your proposed changes to the page. I have temporarily locked the page to prevent edit warring. If you are unable to reach a consensus with JalenBarks, consider dispute resolution. Best regards... -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:05, 16 July 2026 (UTC)
- P.S. Please do not use multiple accounts when editing the page as this can be construed as a form of sockpuppetry or meatpuppetry, which is not allowed. Thank you... --Ad Orientem (talk) 04:14, 16 July 2026 (UTC)
- Dear Ad Orientem User:Ad Orientem,
- Multiple peer-reviewed sources have been provided above citing changes that were made to the Hlongwane wikipedia page. To confirm this fact once again, the sources provided by Ngwane were peer-reviewed by academic scholars and published by Republic of South Africa, the Kingdom of Eswatini, and by accredited universities and colleges. Why did you decide to enforce the version of the page arbitrarily desired by JalenBarks, despite them not providing any evidence supporting their claim that there is distinction between the social group and the surname? JalenBarks did not provide any evidence supporting their claim that there is a distinction between a Hlongwane social group and a Hlongwane surname, yet they were able to enforce their desired version of the page. JalenBarks's update, stemming from an unsubstantiated claim that there is a distinction between a Hlongwane social group and a Hlongwane surname, is still live on the Hlongwane Wikipedia page. This blind, administrator-backed support of an unsubstantiated viewpoint is not consistent with Wikipedia's commitment to published researched and proven articles. ~2026-39624-51 (talk) 17:18, 17 July 2026 (UTC)
- Hi ~2026-39624-51 Your sources may justify the existence of an article. However that does not justify seizing an existing disambiguation page which provides important links to other articles with similar names. Our guidelines requires WP:CONSENSUS when changes are challenged by another editor. Please see WP:BRD. You need to discuss this on the article talk page. That version is the correct one until/unless there is a consensus to change it. You are of course free to create a WP:DRAFT. See JalenBarks's suggestion for a new page name on the article talk page. Best regards... -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:48, 17 July 2026 (UTC)
Multiple peer-reviewed sources have been provided above citing changes that were made to the Hlongwane wikipedia page on July 15, 2026. To confirm this fact once again, the sources provided by Ngwane were peer-reviewed by academic scholars and published by Republic of South Africa, the Kingdom of Eswatini, and by accredited universities and colleges. Why did you decide to enforce the version of the page arbitrarily desired by JalenBarks, despite them not providing any evidence supporting their claim that there is distinction between the social group and the surname? JalenBarks did not provide any evidence supporting their claim that there is a distinction between a Hlongwane social group and a Hlongwane surname, yet they were able to enforce their desired version of the page. JalenBarks's July 15th 2026 reversion of the Hlongwane page to an earlier version stems from an unsubstantiated claim that there is a distinction between a Hlongwane social group and a Hlongwane surname, is still live on the Hlongwane Wikipedia page. This blind, administrator-backed support of an unsubstantiated viewpoint is not consistent with Wikipedia's commitment to published researched and proven articles.
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