User talk:Saucy/Archive 6
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Hello, Sorry I forgot to state the reason I was removing those 2 sections. I was trying to clean up the page issues, as there are messages at the top of the page stating that the first 2 sections don't have references, etc. And that section wouldn't be able to have references since it is from over 30 years ago she was born, before there was internet.. so to remove that can also be a good idea, right? Will that help to remove the issues that are listed at the top? 182.253.154.92 (talk) 08:35, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
Since you have a lot of experience, would you be able to help clean up the issues listed on the top of the page? 182.253.154.92 (talk) 08:37, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
- @182.253.154.92: After reviewing the article, the subject does not seem to be notable so I put it up for deletion. Still, feel free to do cleanup on it. Thanks for bringing this up Datbubblegumdoe[talk – contribs] 09:12, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
A barnstar for you
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The Signpost: 30 August 2018
- From the editor: Today's young adults don't know a world without Wikipedia
Keep straight on – there are trolls in the hedgerows.
- Interview: 2018 Wikimedian of the Year, Farkhad Fatkullin
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- News and notes: Flying high; low practice from Wikipedia 'cleansing' agency; where do our donations go? RfA sees a new trend
WMF pays possible Orangemoody ring for user research, and ditches MediaWiki for publishing its own blog. Knife-edge closures at RfA.
- In the media: Quicksilver AI writes articles
But unfortunately its output is incompatible with open licensing.
- Discussion report: Drafting an interface administrator policy
Plus: Simple English Wikipedia stays open, a discussion on draft header templates, bias blind spot by admins offered cash?
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- Special report: Wikimania 2018
"Bridging knowledge gaps, the ubuntu way forward".
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Very high and very low hits; love and loss.
- Technology report: Technical enhancements and a request to prioritize upcoming work
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- Gallery: Leapfrog, historic Thai cave, and a rhythmic beat
Some of the best pictures of 2017.
- Recent research: Wehrmacht on Wikipedia, neural networks writing biographies
Readers prefer the AI's version 40% of the time – but it still suffers from hallucinations.
- Humour: Signpost editor censors herself
Nothing funny about it.
- Essay: Principle of Some Astonishment
Remind you of any Wikipedia articles?
- From the archives: Playing with Wikipedia words
The Wikipedia Plays.
Empty edit requests
Just a food for thought, leaving empty edit request on the talk page unnecessarily clutters up the page and then it get archived with no information worth saving. I remove the request with an edit summary "Empty request" and the notify the requester using this template {{Empty edit request}}. No way am I telling you how to do things, just wanted to point out an alternative. P.S. If you use Twinkle the template will automatically add the pagename where you removed the request from. Happy editing, - FlightTime (open channel) 04:49, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
The Signpost: 1 October 2018
- From the editor: Is this the new normal?
We keep on publishing as long as you keep on reading.
- News and notes: European copyright law moves forward
Wikipedia dodges a bullet in Brussels... maybe.
- In the media: Knowledge under fire
Can Wikipedians help save the world's knowledge and shine a light on current events?
- Discussion report: Interface Admin policy proposal, part 2
Plus: signatures, shortcuts, and reliable sources.
- Arbitration report: A quiet month for Arbcom
No valid new requests for arbitration, no new cases.
- Traffic report: John McCain's death generates over 7 million hits, followed by historical low
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- Gallery: A pat on the back
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- Blog: After a catastrophic fire at the National Museum of Brazil, a drive to preserve what knowledge remains
As the global community of volunteer Wikimedia editors mourns the destruction of this amazing museum, this post pays tribute to all editors who have contributed restlessly to tell the story of the National Museum, our history.
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- Essay: Expressing thanks
You know you should...
The Signpost: 28 October 2018
- From the editors: The Signpost is still afloat, just barely
A slightly thinner issue, but out on time.
- Op-ed: Wikipedia's Strickland affair
Is a missing article on a Nobel laureate a fail? What if her draft biography was declined as non-notable?
- News and notes: WMF gets a million bucks
And it's richer than ever.
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Breitbart begone; rescued by archivists; celebrating trolls?
- Discussion report: Mediation Committee and proposed deletion reform
Plus: two pending changes-related discussions, notability, and naming conventions.
- Traffic report: Unsurprisingly, sport leads the field – or the ring
Who's reading what?
- Technology report: Bots galore!
Bots can do anything you want – well, almost.
- Special report: NPP needs you
WMF continues to stonewall development; NPP wishes again relegated to stocking fillers.
- Special report 2: Now Wikidata is six
SPARQL adds sparkle to WMF projects.
- In focus: Alexa
We are all writing for Amazon.
- Gallery: Out of this world!
No special effects here, just beautiful celestial images.
- Recent research: Wikimedia Commons worth $28.9 billion
If it weren't free, of course.
- Humour: Talk page humour
Wikipedia has a long history of talk page tomfoolery.
- Opinion: Strickland incident
The reviewer who declined the article gives his perspective.
- From the archives: The Gardner Interview
The "holy-shit" slide.
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The Signpost: 1 December 2018
- From the editor: Time for a truce
Lay down your verbal weapons.
- Op-ed: Looking back, looking forward: A beginner's experience on Wikipedia
The experiences of a new user on Wikipedia, told in their own words.
- Special report: The Christmas wishlist
What do the WMF devs have in store for the community?
- Opinion: The blogosphere migrates to Galaxy WMF
Suppose they gave a blog and nobody came?
- News and notes: Reviewer of the year, WikiCup winner, and the 2019 Wikimedia Summit
Looking both backward and forward to events concerning the community.
- Reflections: Wikipedia, history, and the 100th anniversary of Armistice Day
A personal reflection on Wikipedia's role as a repository of history.
- In the media: Court-ordered article redaction, paid editing, and rock stars
Real-world news competes with the usual celeb fascination for Wikipedia's commentators.
- Discussion report: Farewell, Mediation Committee
It was a good 15 years. Plus: admins, notability, substubs, and new padlocks.
- Arbitration report: A long break ends
Arbcom takes its first new case since June.
- Traffic report: Queen reigns for four weeks straight
The "Queen" of stage and screen, that is. Is there another?
- Gallery: Intersections
Biology or technology? Form follows function in nature and the constructed world.
- Recent research: Why do the most active Wikipedians burn out?; only 4% of students vandalize
And other new research results.
- Essay: No one cares about your garage band
Nope, don't care!
- Humour: The dark side of our favorite root vegetable
Wonky carrots invoke terror.
- From the archives: Ars longa, vita brevis
ARS might continue, but some Wikipedians might not.
The Signpost: 24 December 2018
- From the editors: Where to draw the line in reporting?
Tell us what you think!
- Op-ed: Wikipedia not trumped by Trump appointee
Did World Patent Marketing pay to get Wikipedia to include flattering information on their board member, now the Acting United States Attorney General?
- Special report: The Signpost got 380,000+ views in 2018, sounds reasonable enough, right?
A statistical insight into the English Wikipedia's very own online community newsletter.
- News and notes: Some wishes do come true
NPP wins the wish list poll; Wikipedia editors will be able to work better at night; new WMF appointments and new arbitrators; and who wants to be an admin?
- In the media: Political hijinks
Wikipedia says 'ta' to British M.P. and 'buh-bye' to U.S. President's image vandals.
- Discussion report: A new record low for RfA
Plus: reliable sources, notability, and fallout from the self-blocking software changes.
- WikiProject report: Articlegenesis
Discovering how new and unregistered users make articles with the members of WikiProject Articles for Creation.
- Arbitration report: Year ends with one active case
GiantSnowman asked to chill, and other disputes addressed by Arbcom (or not).
- Traffic report: Queen dethroned by U.S. presidents
The band relinquishes its first place hold; Aquaman is swimming into view for late December.
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- Humour: I believe in Bigfoot
Are you a believer?
- Essay: Requests for medication
When the desire to continue to have the privilege of editing Wikipedia overrides the body's innate desire to choke the living shit out of some bastard who really has it coming.
- From the archives: Compromised admin accounts – again
Compromised accounts – especially those of inactive admins.
The Signpost: 31 January 2019
- Op-ed: Random Rewards Rejected
Lab rats deflate research to be performed on the Wikipedia community.
- In focus: The Collective Consciousness of Admin Userpages
Did you know that there was an admin who thought that the metaphor of the mop was a joke, and now they know it's not?
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Rude or just forgetful? Eight-year WMF manager has disappeared; Facebook gives a million bucks, gets no love.
- In the media: The Signpost's investigative story recognized, Wikipedia turns 18 and gets a birthday gift from Google, and more editors are recognized
Heroes and unsung heroes: many good news stories about the work we are all doing together.
- Discussion report: The future of the reference desk
Plus: plagiarism from Wikipedia, user categories, and admin activity requirements.
- Featured content: Don't miss your great opportunity
Get yourself lost in 1730's Paris, and a wide range of other recently promoted content.
- Arbitration report: An admin under the microscope
Snowman flames newbies? Or just oversensitive snowflakes?
- Traffic report: Death, royals and superheroes: Avengers, Black Panther
The most popular articles of 2018 include a cornucopia of superheroes (Avengers: Infinity War)
- Technology report: When broken is easily fixed
Emergency server switch goes smoothly; technical glitches resolved; a new way to transfer files to Commons.
- Gallery: Let us build a memorial fit for such pain and suffering
A tour of some of the world's greatest memorials courtesy the Prime Minister of India.
- News from the WMF: News from WMF
The world’s largest photo contest, a $1 million gift, Wikipedia’s birthday, WF appoints Valerie D'Costa.
- Recent research: Ad revenue from reused Wikipedia articles; are Wikipedia researchers asking the right questions?
And other new research publications.
- Essay: How
A narrative to get you oriented to how this place works, and to the key policies and guidelines.
- Humour: Village pump
More talk pages you don't want to miss.
- From the archives: An editorial board that includes you
Four years - and nothing changed?
The Signpost: 28 February 2019
- From the editors: Help wanted (still)
This may be too wordy, verbose and loquacious – and possibly redundant – but as you know, it takes others to check our work, and if there were more people in the Newsroom, we'd be able to double check ourselves and produce a better product for our readership; if you think you are up to it, you are welcome to join us and even copyedit the Editor-in-Chief's article intros.
- News and notes: Front-page issues for the community
Encyclopedias for Deletion; Corinne; scholarships; partial blocks; and administrators headcount.
- In focus: Wikimedia affiliate organizations seek community participation in 2019 board election
This election will select 2 of 10 seats on the board. All Wikimedia users are stakeholders in the election outcome and should participate.
- Discussion report: Talking about talk pages
This month's major discussions include a WMF talk page consultation and a proposed current events noticeboard.
- Featured content: Conquest, War, Famine, Death, and more!
Horsemen of the apocalypse all represented in recently promoted content, alongside new life, pretty birds, great music, and other miscellaneous topics.
- Arbitration report: A quiet month for Arbitration Committee
Snowed in, maybe.
- Traffic report: Binge-watching
Netflix shows and TV sports dominate. A US politician breaks into the top 10.
- Technology report: Tool labs casters-up
Tool labs goes kaput, bots running wild (not really), interface administrators step into the breach, new gadgets and other tech happenings.
- Gallery: Signed with pride
A gallery of user signatures created by Wikipedians themselves.
- Recent research: Research finds signs of cultural diversity and recreational habits of readers
When watchers want the whole truth, they wind up with the wiki! And Cultural Context Content comes out of a complete cartography.
- Essay: Optimist's guide to Wikipedia
Assume good faith even if it kills you.
- From the archives: New group aims to promote Wiki-Love
The creation of the Esperanza group.
- Humour: Pesky Pronouns
Not feeling blurbish right now.
Supremacism
The short description of racial ideology is too specific to account for a much broader behaviour. The group-based definition leaves out bullying and prejudice against specific individuals who have lower social status. Also, the word 'superior'. Superior at what exactly? Prejudiced individuals tend to think that their lives have more value or are more important than the targets of their prejudice. Soperthink (talk) 06:28, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
The Signpost: 31 March 2019
- From the editors: Getting serious about humor
Smallbones, The Signpost's new editor-in-chief, presents a retrospective on last month's humour article in the aftermath of the community's response.
- News and notes: Blackouts fail to stop EU Copyright Directive
Eight Wikipedias blacked out their pages trying to stop major copyright law changes.
- In the media: Women's history month
An explosion of women's history coverage, continuing coverage.
- Discussion report: Portal debates continue, Prespa agreement aftermath, WMF seeks a rebranding
From MFD to CSD, debates are continuing across Wikipedia about which portals should stay and which portals should go. Plus: Wikimedia rebranding and Macedonia naming conventions.
- Featured content: Out of this world
Both literally and metaphorically.
- Arbitration report: The Tides of March at ARBCOM
After a fairly tame February, ARBCOM had a lot on its plate this month.
- Traffic report: Exultations and tribulations
Academy Award winners, celebrations, scandals, and terror.
- Technology report: New section suggestions and sitewide styles
Plus the latest scripts, bots, and tech news.
- News from the WMF: The WMF's take on the new EU Copyright Directive
The Wikimedia Foundation reacts to the passing of the new EU Copyright Directive.
- Recent research: Barnstar-like awards increase new editor retention
And other recent research results
- From the archives: Esperanza organization disbanded after deletion discussion
The destruction of the Esperanza group. A follow up to its creation.
- Humour: The Epistolary of Arthur37
A collection of 19th century emails from a pioneer Wikipedia editor working in the mines of the New Page Feed.
- Op-Ed: Pro and Con: Has gun violence been improperly excluded from gun articles?
A decade-long disagreement on including material in gun articles is weighed down by a Wikiproject's essay ... or is it?
- In focus: The Wikipedia SourceWatch
The Wikipedia SourceWatch is a new project designed to find unreliable sources cited by Wikipedia. The SourceWatch's creator presents a brief history of the project, along with its motivations, and what exactly it means to be listed on The SourceWatch.
- Special report: Wiki Loves (50 Years of) Pride
Commemorate the 50th anniversary of the modern LGBT+ rights movement by editing wiki projects!
- Community view: Wikipedia's response to the New Zealand mosque shootings
Our community reacts, the first draft of history.
The Signpost: 30 April 2019
- News and notes: An Action Packed April
New Administrators, April Fools, our competitors, and other associated updates
- In the media: Is Wikipedia just another social media site?
Harassment, a black hole, the Mueller Report, and Mötley Crüe - just another social media site?
- Discussion report: English Wikipedia community's conclusions on talk pages
Plus: another round of paid editing discussion.
- Featured content: Anguish, accolades, animals, and art
April's admirable additions.
- Arbitration report: An Active Arbitration Committee
Policies and procedures, cases and controversies, and other ArbCom updates
- Traffic report: Mötley Crüe, Notre-Dame, a black hole, and Bonnie and Clyde
Round up the unusual suspects
- Technology report: A new special page, and other news
Welcoming English Wikipedia's newest admin (bot)
- Gallery: Notre-Dame de Paris burns
Photos and videos show the damage
- News from the WMF: Can machine learning uncover Wikipedia’s missing “citation needed” tags?
Wikimedia Foundation data scientists are using machine learning to predict whether—and why—any given sentence on Wikipedia may need a citation in order to help editors identify areas of content violating the verifiability policy.
- Recent research: Female scholars underrepresented; whitepaper on Wikidata and libraries; undo patterns reveal editor hierarchy
And other recent research results
- From the archives: Portals revisited
"The future of portals", a year later
- Humour: Jimbo and Larry walk into a bar ...
Some editors will do anything to get a laugh
- Opinion: The gaps in our knowledge of our gaps
What we know we don't know, and why it might matter more than you might think
- Interview: Katherine Maher marks 3 years as executive director
Maher discusses her tenure as ED, the editing community, harassment and diversity, the WMF's 3-5 year plan, airplane travel, books, and her future.
- Community view: 2019 Wikimedia Summit gathers movement affiliate representatives to discuss movement strategy
An overview of Wikimedia Summit 2019, a working conference to discuss the Wikimedia 2030 Movement Strategy Process, preparing draft recommendations for Wikimania 2019 in August.
Mixedish
I guess there's no need to take action since it has been several days. The offender did do this and I'm not sure how to restore your signature. I noticed the big red offensive username I decided it was unlikely that was acceptable. My theory was correct.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 19:41, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
Asking for Page Protection
To request page protection, I've been told twice now to "place" my request at "Wikipedia:Requests for page protection,” but what does that mean to place it there. Wikipedia:Requests for page protection" is a general informational page. Does Wiki really want users changing its help pages? By the way, I have also been instructed to "place" the request in the code of the page itself (the one that's being vandalized). Which is it and can I get clear directions about how to request protection? Scottedwardcole (talk) 15:25, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
- It's not a help page, only the top part is instructional. Place it in the "Current requests for increase in protection level" section (which I see you have already done). Saucy[talk – contribs] 19:13, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
Saucy supporting vandalism?
Why did user "Saucy" revert a page back to its vandalized/incorrect state while another user was currently seeking protection from that particular form of vandalism? Why is Saucy placing outdated information on a user page (when already being made aware the information is inaccurate/outdated)? Scottedwardcole (talk) 15:35, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
- I only reverted it once, when I was unaware of the conflict in that article. Saucy[talk – contribs] 19:13, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
The Signpost: 31 May 2019
- From the editors: Picture that
The North Face sneaks in advertisements, apologizes after being caught
- News and notes: Wikimania and trustee elections
Get ready to go to Wikimania in Stockholm where you might meet two new trustees
- In the media: Politics, lawsuits and baseball
Wikipedia finds itself up against China, Pennsylvania politicians and the Detroit Tigers
- Discussion report: Admin abuse leads to mass-desysop proposal on Azerbaijani Wikipedia
Neutrality and copyright concerns lead and part 2 of the talk pages consultation.
- Arbitration report: ArbCom forges ahead
Resignations, new cases, administrator security, and more
- Traffic report: Dark marvels, thrones, a vile serial killer biopic, that's entertainment!
Who will be next to fill the throne at the top of the list?
- Technology report: Lots of Bots
Admin bots, approved bots, bots on trial, lots and lots of bots
- News from the WMF: Wikimedia Foundation petitions the European Court of Human Rights to lift the block of Wikipedia in Turkey
The WMF keeps working to stop Turkey from blocking Wikipedia.
- Recent research: Wikipedia more useful than academic journals, but is it stealing the news?
And other new research publications
- Essay: Paid editing
We've been talking about paid editing forever
- From the archives: FORUM:Should Wikimedia modify its terms of use to require disclosure?
A debate from 5 years ago on whether we use to prohibit undisclosed paid editing
Edit request
When you have a moment, would you mind helping with a lede request for Mark Stevens? Thanks! 98.207.1.47 (talk) 01:53, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
Why?
?? Thanks. —howcheng {chat} 15:57, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- Oh sorry, I didn't see that you reverted yourself also. Carry on! —howcheng {chat} 16:07, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- Yeah, that was an accidental rollback Saucy[talk – contribs] 21:26, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
Democratic debates–previously deleted
Hi, for some reason you weren't notified about this, but I've tagged your redirect "Democratic debates" for deletion-this title was discussed back in a previous election cycle and felt to be too vague to be a valid redirect. You can take a look at the discussion but I think this is still valid given the number of "Democrat" or "Democratic" parties worldwide, not to mention the number of topics that could be considered to be a "democratic debate". Blythwood (talk) 09:54, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
The June 2019 Signpost is out!
- Discussion report: A constitutional crisis hits English Wikipedia
Could this be a new relationship between the Foundation and ArbCom, and between the Foundation and enwiki?
- News and notes: Mysterious ban, admin resignations, Wikimedia Thailand rising
Many administrators resign related to Fram case; Wikimedia Thailand to host Wikimania 2020.
- In the media: The disinformation age
Or is it the information error?
- On the bright side: What's making you happy this month?
A selection of good news and encouraging stories that are from the Wikiverse.
- Traffic report: Juneteenth, Beauty Revealed, and more nuclear disasters
Readers look for info on what they watch, mostly Chernobyl.
- Technology report: Actors and Bots
Database changes, new scripts, Tech News, and more.
- Gallery: Unlike the North Face, Wiki Loves Earth
Wikimedia photographers surge to contribute to the Wiki Loves Earth campaign even while rogue clothing company The North Face replaces wiki illustrations with advertisements.
- Special report: Did Fram harass other editors?
(DELETED ARTICLE)
- Recent research: What do editors do after being blocked?; the top mathematicians, universities and cancers according to Wikipedia
And other recent research publications.
- From the archives: Women and Wikipedia: the world is watching
"If you don't clean up this mess, the adults are going to come and take your toys away from you."
- Opinion: Why the Terms of Use change didn't curtail undisclosed paid editing—and what might
To reduce the incentives driving undisclosed paid editing, Wikipedia could simplify the process and meet outsiders halfway.
- In focus: WikiJournals: A sister project proposal
Academic peer review meets Wikimedia.
- Community view: A CEO biography, paid for with taxes
How an Irish state-level paid editor tried to turn me into the villain.
- Op-Ed: 2019 Wikimedia Affiliate Selected Board Seats Election Results
Wikimedia community organizations elect two members for the Wikimedia Foundation board of trustees.
Nice work on all the vandalism fighting
Keep it up. Reyk YO! 08:59, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks 👍 Saucy[talk – contribs] 09:02, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
Saucy
Thanks saucy I just like fucking around and you ruined it Chinghanshangun (talk) 07:53, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
The Signpost: 31 July 2019
- News and notes: Wikimedia grants less accessible for travel, equipment, meetups, and India
WMF grants program changes position on funding random individuals globally and 100 crore people in one region
- In the media: Politics starts getting rough
Are we ready for the sharp elbows?
- Discussion report: New proposals in aftermath of Fram ban
Resysop requests on the ’crat board prove controversial; plus, aftermath of Framgate.
- Arbitration report: A month of reintegration
Arbitration begins setting new boundaries after the June blow-up
- Gallery: Classic panoramas from Heinrich Berann
It looks nice and cool up in those mountains
- On the bright side: What's making you happy this month?
A selection of good news and encouraging stories that are from the Wikiverse.
- Community view: Video based summaries of Wikipedia articles. How and why?
It's easy, education saves lives.
- News from the WMF: Designing ethically with AI: How Wikimedia can harness machine learning in a responsible and human-centered way
Or, how to avoid Artificial Ignorance
- Recent research: Most influential medical journals; detecting pages to protect
And other new research publications
- Special report: Administrator cadre continues to contract
A new record set: fewer than 500 active admins.
- Traffic report: World cups, presidential candidates, and stranger things
and don't forget the movies
- In focus: The French Wikipedia is overtaking the German
Who is growing? Who is not?
The Signpost: 30 August 2019
- News and notes: Documenting Wikimania and our beginnings
The oldest surviving Wikipedia edit restored to article history, Wikimania, and the mystery of a disappearing Funds Dissemination Committee.
- In focus: Ryan Merkley joins WMF as Chief of Staff
Working with leadership and the community, taking on both operational and strategic responsibilities
- In the media: Many layers of fake news: Fake fiction and fake news vandalism
And the media report it all
- Discussion report: Meta proposals on partial bans and IP users
Can we survive without IP addresses?
- Traffic report: Once upon a time in Greenland with Boris and cornflakes
And some summer flicks with the usual heroes and villains
- Op-Ed: We couldn't have told you this, but Wikipedia was censored
Should we break the law or publish the truth?
- Opinion: The Curious Case of Croatian Wikipedia
Or how to make a concentration camp disappear?
- Community view: Chinese Wikipedia and the battle against extradition from Hong Kong
From streets to Wikipedia - What are editors from Hong Kong facing?
- News from the WMF: Meet Emna Mizouni, the newly minted 2019 Wikimedian of the Year
Emna Mizouni was named the 2019 Wikimedian of the Year.
- Recent research: Special issue on gender gap and gender bias research
A roundup of many recent publications examining Wikpedia's gender gaps in participation and content, and their possible reasons
- On the bright side: What's making you happy this month?
A selection of good news and encouraging stories that are from the Wikiverse
A barnstar for you!!
| The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar | ||
| This is for your valuable efforts for countering Vandalism and protecting Wikipedia from it's threats. I appreciate your effort. You are a defender of Wikipedia. Thank you. PATH SLOPU 16:20, 18 September 2019 (UTC) |
The Signpost: 30 September 2019
- From the editors: Where do we go from here?
Our constitutional crisis may continue
- Special report: Post-Framgate wrapup
Summary of actions around a formerly banned former administrator: Arbitration Committee action and withdrawn request for adminship
- In the media: A net loss: Wikipedia attacked, closing off Russia? welcoming back Turkey?
The internet may not be as stable as it seems
- Traffic report: Varied and intriguing entries, less Luck, and some retreads
Luck, Serena, Bianca, 9/11, bad films, mass murderers and other good stuff
- News from the WMF: How the Wikimedia Foundation is making efforts to go green
Wikipedia's footprint is equivalent to 251 average US homes’ energy use. Yes we can go green.
- Recent research: Wikipedia's role in assessing credibility of news sources; using wikis against procrastination; OpenSym 2019 report
And other recent research publications
- Gallery: Finding freely licensed photo collections
Wikimedia Commons is not the only place to find freely licensed photos
- On the bright side: What's making you happy this month?
A selection of good news and encouraging stories that are from the Wikiverse
- In focus: Wikidata & Wikibase for national libraries: the inaugural meeting
National libraries are planning to leverage Wikidata to interoperate and to bring information to the public
The Signpost: 31 October 2019
- In the media: How to use or abuse Wikipedia for fun or profit
Sweden, Poland, Armenia, Russia, the Vatican, and clueless English pubs.
- Special report: “Catch and Kill” on Wikipedia: Paid editing and the suppression of material on alleged sexual abuse
"It's time for Wikipedia to grow up."
- In focus: The BBC looks at Chinese government editing
But they aren't entirely sure they see it
- Interview: Carl Miller on Wikipedia Wars
A discussion on info wars, government editing and our defences.
- Community view: Observations from the mainland
A different point of view
- Arbitration report: October actions
An "unblockable" is blocked; a former arb resigns.
- Traffic report: Wrestling with a couple of teenagers, a Nobelist, and a lot of jokers
Plus a few celebrities.
- Gallery: Wiki Loves Broadcast
The future of public broadcasting has arrived.
- Recent research: Research at Wikimania 2019: More communication doesn't make editors more productive; Tor users doing good work; harmful content rare on English Wikipedia
And other new research publications
- Essay: Wikipedia is in the real world
Editing can have serious consequences.
- News from the WMF: Welcome to Wikipedia! Here's what we're doing to help you stick around
Twenty questions to get you started.
- On the bright side: What's making you happy this month?
A selection of good news and encouraging stories from the Wikiverse.
ArbCom 2019 election voter message
The Signpost: 29 November 2019
- From the editor: Put on your birthday best
"We get by with a little help from our friends"
- News and notes: How soon for the next million articles?
And when will we get the second extraterrestrial edit?
- In the media: You say you want a revolution
Everybody wants to change Wikipedia.
- On the bright side: What's making you happy this month?
A selection of good news and encouraging stories from the Wikiverse.
- Arbitration report: Two requests for arbitration cases
Important or imprudent? Pondering portals. And an editor gets transported off-wiki for good.
- Traffic report: The queen and the princess meet the king and the joker
Could this be the end of the Terminator?
- Technology report: Reference things, sister things, stranger things
The latest tech news and updates.
- Gallery: Winter and holidays
Some interesting and unusual winter and holiday images.
- Recent research: Bot census; discussions differ on Spanish and English Wikipedia; how nature's seasons affect pageviews
And other new research publications.
- Essay: Adminitis
Some humor about the otherwise serious subject of burnout.
- From the archives: WikiProject Spam, revisited
Veteran editor: Wikipedia is losing existential battle against spam.
- In focus: An update on the Wikimedia Movement 2030 Strategy
Coming to the end of a long road formulating the strategy.
- Special report: How many people edit in your favorite language? Where are they from?
Only now can we say!
Team Trees logo
Hey, there. I noticed you uploaded the logo of Team Trees ([this). I'm just wondering how you were able to get that logo. The official logo is this, which I found on the website (https://teamtrees.org/images/logo-teamtrees-full.svg). I think it should replace yours, as this is the official logo. Melofors 01:33, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
- @Melofors: A PNG version of the current logo was actually the original logo used when the page was first created. It seems to have come from their Twitter account. I then changed it to the logo used on their website since it was available in SVG format. But since this logo appeared small on the page, I decided to recreate the original logo in SVG format, which I did by laying paths from the logo on their website onto the PNG logo. Saucy[talk – contribs] 04:33, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
- @Saucy: Ah, okay. What are your opinions on the website logo I sent being used on the article? They are both official logos, so I’m conflicted as to which one should be used in the article. Melofors 04:41, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
- @Melofors: Personally I prefer the current logo a little bit more, since it's bigger and easier to see, but I don't really care that much about which one is used. Saucy[talk – contribs] 04:47, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
- @Saucy: Ah, okay. What are your opinions on the website logo I sent being used on the article? They are both official logos, so I’m conflicted as to which one should be used in the article. Melofors 04:41, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
Happy Birthday!
The Signpost: 27 December 2019
- From the editors: Caught with their hands in the cookie jar, again
You can buy "cleaners" but you might not come away clean.
- News and notes: What's up (and down) with administrators, articles and languages
Active administrators and articles achieved are marking milestone metrics, but in diverging directions. Plus, the first time any court has found there exists a constitutional right to read Wikipedia.
- Special report: Are reputation management operatives scrubbing Wikipedia articles?
Son of Wiki-PR.
- In the media: "The fulfillment of the dream of humanity" or a nightmare of PR whitewashing on behalf of one-percenters?
Praise for possibly pansophic Wikipedia from a Nobel laureate collides head-on with real-world events in December.
- Discussion report: December discussions around the wiki
Regarding integrity of information presented by Wikipedia, as well as the processes and people who ensure it remains trustworthy.
- Arbitration report: Announcement of 2020 Arbitration Committee
ArbCom election results and status of open and requested cases.
- Traffic report: Queens and aliens, exactly alike, once upon a December
We may have scrambled the headlines a bit.
- Technology report: User scripts and more
Customise your Wikipedia experience
- Gallery: Holiday wishes
Messages of holiday cheer from us to you.
- Recent research: Acoustics and Wikipedia; Wiki Workshop 2019 summary
16 recent papers, and other research news
- From the archives: The 2002 Spanish fork and ads revisited (re-revisited?)
A look at different approaches taken by Wikipedia's founders in 2002, as seen from the perspective of nine years when it was written; nearly twenty years ago now.
- On the bright side: What's making you happy this month?
A selection of good news and encouraging stories from the Wikiverse.
- Op-Ed: Why we need to keep talking about Wikipedia's gender gap
There's still a long way to go.
- WikiProject report: Wikiproject Tree of Life: A Wikiproject report
Eight years after our last interview, WikiProject Tree of Life continues to thrive.
The Signpost: 27 January 2020
- From the editor: Reaching six million articles is great, but we need a moratorium
How long can we ignore Wiki-PR?
- News and notes: Six million articles on the English language Wikipedia
You ain't seen nothing yet.
- Special report: The limits of volunteerism and the gatekeepers of Team Encarta
How to survive the asshole consensus.
- In the media: Turkey's back up, but what's happening with Dot-org and a new visual identity?
Plus politics and other oddities.
- Arbitration report: Three cases at ArbCom
The new arbs have a big load.
- Traffic report: The most viewed articles of 2019
As only The Signpost can describe them.
- Gallery: Wiki Loves Monuments 2019, we're all winners
The top 15 international photos.
- News from the WMF: Capacity Building: Top 5 Themes from Community Conversations
Growing our community and our abilities.
- Community view: Our most important new article since November 1, 2015
Well, it's a bit subjective.
- In focus: Cryptos and bitcoins and blockchains, oh no!
Everybody needs to make a buck somehow — just not here, thanks.
- Recent research: How useful is Wikipedia for novice programmers trying to learn computing concepts?
And other new research publications.
- From the archives: A decade of The Signpost, 2005-2015
The first 10 years are the hardest.
- On the bright side: What's making you happy this month?
A selection of good news and encouraging stories from the Wikiverse.
- WikiProject report: WikiProject Japan: a wikiProject Report
An interview with four members of the WikiProject Japan.
- Humour: Predicting the 6,000,000th article
I may fall in love all over again!
- Obituary: Remembering Wikipedia contributor Brian Boulton
A mentor to us all
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The Signpost: 1 March 2020
- From the editor: The ball is in your court
How to stop abusive commercial editing.
- News and notes: Alexa ranking down to 13th worldwide
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- Special report: More participation, more conversation, more pageviews
A statistical insight into the English Wikipedia's very own online community newsletter.
- In the media: Mapping IP editors, Smithsonian open-access, and coronavirus disinformation
We're all over the map this month.
- Discussion report: Do you prefer M or P?
Wikimedia or Wikipedia?
- Arbitration report: Two prominent administrators removed
Arbitration Committee and the "blue wall of silence".
- By the numbers: How many actions by administrators does it take to clean up spam?
Numbers for vandalism and sockpuppeting included at no additional charge!
- Community view: The Incredible Invisible Woman
No more "Hidden Figures", let's work to make women visible on Wikipedia!
- In focus: History of The Signpost, 2015–2019
Covering Wikipedia for another five years!
- Recent research: Wikipedia generates $50 billion/year consumer surplus in the US alone
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- From the archives: Is Wikipedia for sale?
How long has Wikipedia been for sale? When will it stop?
- Traffic report: February articles, floating in the dark
Kobe sets another record.
- Gallery: Feel the love
Renewing our vows.
- On the bright side: What's making you happy this month?
A selection of good news and encouraging stories from the Wikiverse.
- Op-Ed: What I learned as Wikimedia UK Communications Coordinator
Getting across the Wikipedia experience to the press.
- Opinion: Wikipedia is another country
Or: how to best bite a newbie.
- Humour: The Wilhelm scream
WikiWorld is back.
MfD nomination of User:Saucy/sandbox/Kyle Kulinski
User:Saucy/sandbox/Kyle Kulinski, a page which you created or substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; you may participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Kyle Kulinski and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User:Saucy/sandbox/Kyle Kulinski during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:52, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
The Signpost: 29 March 2020
- From the editors: The bad and the good
Getting ready for anything.
- News and notes: 2018 Wikipedian of the year blocked
Wheel war on Tatar Wikipedia.
- WikiProject report: WikiProject COVID-19: A WikiProject Report
An interview with members of the COVID Project.
- Special report: Wikipedia on COVID-19: what we publish and why it matters
Wikipedia presents solid widely-consulted information on COVID-19 and related topics.
- In the media: Blocked in Iran but still covering the big story
COVID-19, Zika, edit-a-thons, and macrons.
- Discussion report: Rethinking draft space
Plus: geonotices, reliable sources, and job titles.
- Arbitration report: Unfinished business
A new case, a case returns from limbo, and an RfC being prepared.
- In focus: "I have been asked by Jeffrey Epstein …"
The twists and turns of Epstein’s portrayal on Wikipedia.
- Community view: Wikimedia community responds to COVID-19
Individually and in organized groups, Wikimedians stand up and make a difference.
- Recent research: Disease outbreak uncertainties, AfD forecasting, auto-updating Wikipedia
New research publications on "the fear of being erased" and other topics.
- From the archives: Text from Wikipedia good enough for Oxford University Press to claim as own
Five years ago with a different crisis.
- Traffic report: The only thing that matters in the world
Going to movies and sport stadiums is history, and readers turn to Wikipedia for crucial medical information and updates.
- Gallery: Visible Women on Wikipedia
Images from the Whose Knowlege? campaign.
- News from the WMF: Amid COVID-19, Wikimedia Foundation offers full pay for reduced hours, mobilizes all staff to work remote, and waives sick time
The WMF responds.
- On the bright side: What's making you happy this month?
A selection of good news and encouraging stories from the Wikiverse.
Rvv
What do you mean by 'rvv' ? You reversed my edits why? --Saalberg af traam (talk) 08:29, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Saalberg af traam: "Rvv" stands for "revert vandalism". I was also reverting someone else at the same time. The reason I reverted your edit as well is because it was not constructive: you switched the correct forms of a/an with the incorrect forms. Saucy[talk – contribs] 08:33, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- But that was not vandalism. It was a mistake. --Saalberg af traam (talk) 08:37, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
The Signpost: 26 April 2020
- News and notes: Unbiased information from Ukraine's government?
The Ministry of Foreign Affairs pitches in.
- In the media: Coronavirus, again and again
Plus the importance of language.
- Discussion report: Redesigning Wikipedia, bit by bit
The Wikimedia community discusses modifying or hiding the sidebar on the left of every page.
- Featured content: Featured content returns
Movies, roads, awards and more.
- Arbitration report: Two difficult cases
Even our best editors sometimes disagree.
- Traffic report: Disease the Rhythm of the Night
Coronavirus, coronavirus, and Joe Exotic.
- Gallery: Roy is doing fine and sending more photos
A coronavirus cruise can't stop Roy!
- Recent research: Trending topics across languages; auto-detecting bias
And other new research results.
- Essay: Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing
And it could get worse!
- By the numbers: Open data and COVID-19: Wikipedia as an informational resource during the pandemic
What COVID-19 data are available from the WMF?
- Opinion: Trusting Everybody to Work Together
In an increasingly factious world, Wikipedia's approach to collaboration and trust-building point to a brighter future.
- On the bright side: What's making you happy this month?
A selection of good news and encouraging stories from the Wikiverse.
- Interview: Health and RfA's: An interview with Guy Macon
A Wikipedia editor reflects on his recent RfA and the health issues that became part of it.
- In focus: Multilingual Wikipedia
How to better integrate articles across language editions.
- WikiProject report: The Guild of Copy Editors
An interview with members of the WP:GOCE
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Problems
- Some wikis will be on read-only for a few minutes on 5 May. This will happen around 05:00 UTC. This is for database maintenance.
- Some wikis will be on read-only for a few minutes on 7 May. This will also affect CentralAuth. This can for example affect global renames, password changes, changing or confirming your email address and logging in to new wikis. This will happen around 05:00 UTC. This is for database maintenance.
Changes later this week
- You can get a notification when someone links to a page you created. You can soon turn these notifications off for individual pages.
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 5 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 6 May. It will be on all wikis from 7 May (calendar).
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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- Everyone can now import photos from Flickr to Commons with the UploadWizard. Before this only autopatrollers on Commons could import photos from Flickr.
Problems
- Commons will be on read-only for a few minutes on 12 May. This will happen around 05:00 UTC. This is for database maintenance.
- Several wikis including Wikidata will be on read-only for a few minutes on 19 May. This will happen around 05:00 UTC. English Wikipedia will be on read-only for a few minutes on 21 May 05:00 UTC. This is for database maintenance.
Changes later this week
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 12 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 13 May. It will be on all wikis from 14 May (calendar).
Future changes
JavaScript scripts and gadgets can no longer check multiple keys at once via mw.config.exists()ormw.user.tokens.exists(). You can useexists()orget()to check one at a time instead.
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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- If you forget your password you can ask for a new one to be sent to your email address. You need to know your email address or your username. You can choose that you need to enter both your email address and your username. This is a preference. This is to get fewer password reset emails someone else asked for. This is now available on all Wikimedia wikis.
Problems
- There is a bug that creates problems for iPhone users with iOS 13 and Safari. If you use an iPhone to read or edit Wikipedia and see bugs on the mobile site you can report them.
- Several wikis including Wikidata will be on read-only for a few minutes on 19 May. This will happen around 05:00 UTC. English Wikipedia will be on read-only for a few minutes on 21 May 05:00 UTC. This is for database maintenance.
Changes later this week
- The Wikipedia app for Android can let users add depicts on Commons. The beta version used computer-aided tagging. This was removed to get more specific depicts.
- There is no new MediaWiki version this week.
Future changes
- Graphs will be rendered in the reader's browser. This will use Javascript. Graphs will hopefully work better for everyone who uses Javascript. It will not work for users who don't use Javascript. This will not affect diagrams in image files.
Some CSS for the skins has been simplified. This affects div#p-personal,div#p-navigation,div#p-interaction,div#p-tb,div#p-lang,div#p-namespaces,div#p-variantsanddiv#footer. They will have to removediv. You will have to update your gadgets, scripts or user styles. This is so we can use HTML5.
Some CSS for the Vector skin has been changed. This affects #p-variants,#p-namespaces,#p-personal,#p-viewsand#p-cactions. They can no longer use> ul. You might need to update your gadgets, scripts or user styles. See how.
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Changes later this week
- The visual editor will now work in the Modern skin. The changes that needed to happen for this to work could cause problems for some scripts or gadgets.
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from May 26. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from May 27. It will be on all wikis from May 28 (calendar).
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The Signpost: 31 May 2020
- From the editor: Meltdown May?
Or will it be meltdown June?
- News and notes: 2019 Picture of the Year, 200 French paid editing accounts blocked, 10 years of Guild Copyediting
Many of these accounts now blocked on the English-language Wikipedia.
- In the media: CBS on COVID-19, Sanger on bias, false noses, and five prolific editors
Worth Every Goddamn Second!
- Discussion report: WMF's Universal Code of Conduct
It's no April Fool's joke, but we discuss those, too.
- Special report: The sum of human knowledge? Not in one Wikipedia language edition
Cultural context, diversity, and the future of languages.
- Featured content: Weathering the storm
Battles, bombs, wars, and more storms.
- Arbitration report: Board member likely to receive editing restriction
Sanctions of multiple flavors, and a non-decision on the breadth of discretionary sanctions.
- Traffic report: Come on and slam, and welcome to the jam
Time to bring on the Bulls.
- Op-Ed: Where Is Political Bias Taking Us?
Straight down the tubes.
- Gallery: Wildlife photos by the book
Birds, insects, elephants, a macaque and more.
- News from the WMF: WMF Board announces Community Culture Statement
Enacting new standards to address harassment and promote inclusivity across projects.
- Recent research: Automatic detection of covert paid editing; Wiki Workshop 2020
New results from academic research
- Community view: Transit routes and mapping during stay-at-home order downtime
Hello Columbus.
- On video: COVID-19 spurs innovations in Wikimedia video and virtual programming
Community harnesses new technologies for remote participation in events and gatherings
- WikiProject report: Revitalizing good articles
Can our energy be turned into long-term change?
- On the bright side: 500,000 articles in the Egyptian Arabic Wikipedia
A selection of good news and encouraging stories from the Wikiverse.
- Obituaries: Dmitrismirnov, Kattenkruid, Muidlatif, Ronhjones, Tsirel
Rest in peace.
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- There is a new beta version of the Wikimedia Commons app for Android. It has a new zoom function when you look at images. It can also suggest places when you upload geotagged photos.
Problems
- There was a problem with the Commons database on 27 May. Commons could not be edited for eight minutes. Because of this problem the database was moved. This caused another short read-only time on 29 May.
- The Vector skin had a problem where you couldn't add links to the article in other languages. You couldn't see the section if there were no links to other languages already. It also removed content translation links and links to language settings. This has now been fixed.
Changes later this week
- You can get a notification when someone links to a page you created. You can turn these notifications off for individual pages. You can soon turn them off also in the notifications you get.
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 2 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 3 June. It will be on all wikis from 4 June (calendar).
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Recent changes
- Some articles have tables that can be sorted in different ways. For example a list of countries can be sorted alphabetically but you can click on the size column to sort them by size. If you clicked on the column a second time it would sort the countries from the bottom to the top instead. A third click will now take you back to the original sorting.
- Self-closed tags now work as in the HTML5 specifications. This means you should stop using some of them.
<b/>is an example of a self-closed tag that won't work.area, base, br, col, embed, hr, img, input, keygen, link, meta, param, source, track, wbrcan be self-closed. Pages with tags that should not be self-closed have been listed in a tracking category since 2016. They will be listed in Special:LintErrors/self-closed-tag. This doesn't affect<references />or<ref />. - There is a banner called
WikidataPageBanner. It is for example used by the Wikivoyages, Wikimedia Russia and the Catalan, Basque, Galician and Turkish Wikipedias. It will now been seen by mobile visitors too. Before this it was only seen on desktop. The wikis should update instructions onMediaWiki:Sitenoticeso that editors know to test and style for mobile too.
Changes later this week
You can now edit MassMessage descriptions through the API. This is useful for tools and gadgets.
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 9 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 10 June. It will be on all wikis from 11 June (calendar).
Future changes
- A temporary fix helped wikis make their main pages more mobile friendly. This was in 2012. It has not been recommended since 2017. It will not work after 13 July. Wikis should use TemplateStyles instead. 118 wikis need to fix this. You can read more and see if your wiki is affected.
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Recent changes
Toolforge hosts several tools created by the Wikimedia community like edit counters or enhanced editors. It is changing the domain from tools.wmflabs.org to toolforge.org. The routing scheme is moving from tools.wmflabs.org/toolname to toolname.toolforge.org. You can read the details. Tools that use OAuth will have to be updated to keep working. You can ask for help.
Problems
- There is a Wikidata item link in the sidebar on many pages. This disappeared for a couple of days for users who have the Monobook skin. This was because of a bug. It has now been fixed.
- Editing, logging in and logging out didn't work properly for a short period of time last week. It was soon fixed.
Changes later this week
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 16 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 17 June. It will be on all wikis from 18 June (calendar).
Future changes
Pywikibot is a Python library to automate work on wikis. It will not support Python 2 after the new version in July. Support for Python 3.4 and MediaWiki below 1.19 will also be dropped. You should migrate to Python 3. You can ask for help. - The selectors
.menuand.vectorMenuwill no longer work in the Vector skin. This can affect gadgets and user scripts..menushould be replaced byul..vectorMenushould be replaced by.vector-menu.
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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Problems
- There are some new tools to make it easier for newcomers to start editing. They are available on some wikis. These wikis had a problem with the visual editor for a short period of time last week. This was because of a bug in the new tools. It was soon fixed.
Some user scripts and gadgets stopped working because of a change to CSS selectors. .vectorTabsshould be replaced with.vector-menu-tabsto fix this.
Changes later this week
- The developers are working on a new interface to solve edit conflicts on talk pages. This will be released on 24 June. You can give feedback.
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 23 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 24 June. It will be on all wikis from 25 June (calendar).
Future changes
- A temporary fix helped wikis make their main pages more mobile friendly. This was in 2012. It has not been recommended since 2017. It will not work after 13 July. Wikis should use TemplateStyles instead. 91 wikis still need to fix this. You can read more and see if your wiki is affected.
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The Signpost: 28 June 2020
- News and notes: Progress at Wikipedia Library and Wikijournal of Medicine
Plus Swedish biographies and the big oops!
- Community view: Community open letter on renaming
Reacting to the WMF's rebranding proposal.
- Gallery: After the killing of George Floyd
Protests and photos from around the world...
- In the media: Part collaboration and part combat
Racial justice, Facebook, LGBTQ+, Ryan Merkley, and a woman.
- Discussion report: Community reacts to WMF rebranding proposals
Many Wikimedia community members are upset about the WMF's plan to rebrand. Plus, a discussion of Fox News's reliability.
- Featured content: Sports are returning, with a rainbow
Battles, music, and animals feature prominently in this month's best content.
- Arbitration report: Anti-harassment RfC and a checkuser revocation
The RfC should keep everybody busy.
- Traffic report: The pandemic, alleged murder, a massacre, and other deaths
Plus Rajput, Musk, Epstein, Maxwell, Owens and Anonymous
- News from the WMF: We stand for racial justice
On these issues, there is no neutral stance.
- Recent research: Wikipedia and COVID-19; automated Wikipedia-based fact-checking
And other new research publications
- Interview: What is wrong with rebranding to "Wikipedia Foundation"?
Four signers of the open letter explain.
- Humour: Cherchez une femme
It's amazing what one can do.
- Opinion: Trying to find COI or paid editors? Just read the news
A scientific scandal and the Ronaldo of investment banking.
- On the bright side: For what are you grateful this month?
A selection of good news and encouraging stories from the Wikiverse.
- In focus: Edit Loud, Edit Proud: LGBTIQ+ Wikimedians and Global Information Activism
The history and impact of LGBTIQ+ contributions to Wikimedia projects.
- WikiProject report: WikiProject Black Lives Matter
How Wikipedia is covering racial injustice, both in the outer world and on-site
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Problems
- Everyone was logged out. This was because a few users saw the wikis as if they were logged in to someone else's account. The problem should be fixed now.
- Some readers didn't see new edits to pages. If the page had been recently changed they saw an older version of the page instead. This only affected readers who were logged out. It lasted for ten days. It has been fixed.
Changes later this week
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 30 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 1 July. It will be on all wikis from 1 July (calendar).
Future changes
The Modern and Monobook skins use the ID searchGoButtonfor the go button. This issearchButtonfor Vector. To have the same ID for all skins it will change tosearchButtonin Monobook and Modern too. This will affect gadgets and user scripts. It will happen on 23 July. They should be updated to usesearchButton. You can read more and see a list of affected scripts.
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Problems
- The Score extension has been disabled for now. This is because of a security issue. It will work again as soon as the security issue has been fixed.
Changes later this week
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 7 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 8 July. It will be on all wikis from 9 July (calendar).
Future changes
- Abstract Wikipedia is a new Wikimedia project. It will collect language-independent information that can be easily read in different languages. It builds on Wikidata. The name is preliminary. You can read more.
- The iOS Wikipedia app developers are thinking about new experimental tools. If you use an iPhone you can help them by answering the survey.
- Some rules for user signatures will soon be enforced. Lint errors and invalid HTML will no longer be allowed in user signatures. Nested substitution will not be allowed. A link to your user page, user talk page or user contributions will be required. You can check if your signature works with the new rules. This is because the signatures can cause problems for tools or other text on the page.
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Recent changes
- Users can thank others for their edits. Checkusers can now see user data related to that action. This can help identify sock puppets who harass others using thanks.
Problems
- Everyone was logged out a couple of weeks ago to fix a security problem. The problem was not entirely fixed. Because of this everyone was logged out once again last week.
Changes later this week
- Wikis that are not for one specific language can translate pages. Sometimes parts of translations are outdated or missing. Outdated translations are marked with a pink background. Missing translations will also be marked in the future. This markup can sometimes break things. It can soon be disabled by using
<translate nowrap></translate>on the source page.
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 14 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 15 July. It will be on all wikis from 16 July (calendar).
Future changes
Wikimedia code review plans to use GitLab. It would be hosted on Wikimedia servers.
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Recent changes
- A temporary fix helped wikis make their main pages more mobile friendly. This was in 2012. It has not been recommended since 2017. The mobile main page special casing stopped working 14 July. 60 wikis now have main pages that don't work well on mobile. You can see which ones, how to fix it and how to get help in Phabricator. This is the same problem that was reported in Tech News 2020/24 and 2020/26.
Problems
- There is a problem with the interlanguage links. The interlanguage links are the links that help you find a specific page in a different language. The sorting is broken. The developers are working on a solution.
- Some users keep getting the notifications for the same event. Some of these are old events.
- Some users have trouble logging in. This is probably a browser cookie problem. The developers are working on understanding the problem. If you have trouble logging in you can see the details on Phabricator.
Changes later this week
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 21 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 22 July. It will be on all wikis from 23 July (calendar).
Future changes
- There is a
Printable versionlink. This will disappear. That is because web browsers today can create a printable version or show how it will look in print anyway.
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Recent changes
- The Starter kit is now available for wiki communities. This page lists technical resources, tools, and recommendations. These are essential to operate a wiki project. This is mostly useful for smaller wikis where the community has limited experience with this.
- The first features of the Desktop Improvements project are available for logged-in users on all wikis. In order to use them, uncheck Use Legacy Vector in your local or global preferences in section Skin preferences. More improvements are planned. Feedback is welcome.
On multiple wikis, a UTCLiveClock gadget is available. For wikis that import the gadget directly from mediawiki.org, end users can now choose a different timezone to show instead of UTC.
Problems
The deployment train for MediaWiki has been blocked this week. - Translation Notification Bot was sending the same message multiple times to every translator. This has been fixed.
- Some users were receiving the same notification multiple times. This has been fixed.
Changes later this week
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from July 28. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from July 29. It will be on all wikis from JUly 30 (calendar).
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The Signpost: 2 August 2020
- Special report: Wikipedia and the End of Open Collaboration?
Comparing Wikipedia to similar projects.
- COI and paid editing: Some strange people edit Wikipedia for money
And thanks for the photo, Ghislaine!
- News and notes: Abstract Wikipedia, a hoax, sex symbols, and a new admin
Plus lots of affiliations!
- In the media: Dog days gone bad
Pandemic, politics, and possibly paid editing.
- Discussion report: Fox News, a flight of RfAs, and banning policy
Plus a proposed massive invasion of privacy!
- Featured content: Remembering Art, Valor, and Freedom
soldiers, sports, and actors feature heavily this month.
- Traffic report: Now for something completely different
Death and Alexander Hamilton.
- Gallery: Photos of threatened species from iNaturalist
Sometimes you just have to ask.
- News from the WMF: New Chinese national security law in Hong Kong could limit the privacy of Wikipedia users
Privacy is critical to sustaining freedom of expression and association, enabling knowledge and ideas to thrive.
- Recent research: Receiving thanks increases retention, but not the time contributed to Wikipedia
And other new research publications
- Essay: Not compatible with a collaborative project
Some editors aren't.
- Obituaries: Hasteur and Brian McNeil
Rest in peace.
- In focus: WikiLoop DoubleCheck, reviewing edits made easy
Making Wikipedia the encyclopedia that anyone can review.
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Problems
- All queries to the Wikidata Query Service failed between 17:50 and 17:59 UTC on Thursday 23 July. Some queries failed during a longer period.
- Interlanguage links were ordered incorrectly for the past few weeks. This problem was also mentioned in Tech News two weeks ago. The problem is now fixed.
- There is a problem with the global preferences for the "Use Legacy Vector" option. Developers are working on fixing it.
- A bug in the Wikibase extension had disabled the "move" and "create" types of protection in the main (Gallery) namespace on Wikimedia Commons. New protections could not be added, and existing protections were not enforced, allowing some page moves and page creations that should not have been possible. This has now been fixed.
Changes later this week
- The video player will change to be simpler and more modern. This week, the current beta feature will become the video player for everyone on most non-Wikipedia wikis. The old player will be removed.
- Users'
global.jsandglobal.csspages will now also be loaded on the mobile site. You can read documentation for how to avoid applying styles to the mobile skin.
In the MonoBook skin, the searchGoButtonidentifier is nowsearchButton. This may affect CSS and JS gadgets. Migration instructions can be found in T255953. This was previously mentioned in issue 27.
Bot operators can use Pywikibot to regularly archive discussions. The behavior when the bot uses counterto prevent large archives was changed.
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from August 4. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from August 5. It will be on all wikis from August 6 (calendar).
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Recent changes
- FileImporter and FileExporter became standard features on all Wikis during the first week of August. They help you transfer files from local wikis to Wikimedia Commons with the original file information and history intact.
Problems
- The mobile skin displays a message at the bottom of the page about who edited last. This message showed raw wikitext. This has now been fixed. Some messages in Structured Discussions and content translation may still appear as raw wikitext. Developers are working on it.
Changes later this week
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from August 11. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from August 12. It will be on all wikis from August 13 (calendar).
Future changes
- All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on September 1. This is planned between 13:30 and 15:30 UTC. More information will be published in Tech News and will also be posted on individual wikis in the coming weeks.
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Recent changes
- If you revert an edit using the undo link your edit is marked with an
undotag. This will now only happen if you don't change anything in the edit window before publishing the undo. This is to keep users from marking edits as undos when they actually do something else. - The new OOUI version will not work with Internet Explorer 8. This means the wikis will look strange and not work well in Internet Explorer 8. This was reported in Tech/News/2020/17. This is because keeping the wikis working with very old browsers creates other problems.
Changes later this week
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 18 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 19 August. It will be on all wikis from 20 August (calendar).
Future changes
- All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on September 1. This is planned between 13:30 and 15:30 UTC. More information will be published in Tech News and will also be posted on individual wikis next week. This is a reminder. You can help by translating the announcement message.
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Changes later this week
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 25 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 26 August. It will be on all wikis from 27 August (calendar).
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The Signpost: 30 August 2020
- News and notes: The high road and the low road
Will the Scots language Wikipedia survive?
- In the media: Storytelling large and small
COVID, Fox, Kamala, Scots, cryptocurrency, and more.
- Featured content: Going for the goal
Sports, music, military and more
- Special report: Wikipedia's not so little sister is finding its own way
Wikidata's profound impact on Wikipedia
- Op-Ed: The longest-running hoax
Watch out for those Mustelodons!
- Traffic report: Heart, soul, umbrellas, and politics
More politics than usual.
- News from the WMF: Fourteen things we’ve learned by moving Polish Wikimedia conference online
Celebrating of our community in a different format.
- Recent research: Detecting spam, and pages to protect; non-anonymous editors signal their intelligence with high-quality articles
And other new research results
- Arbitration report: A slow couple of months
Everybody deserves a vacation!
- From the archives: Wikipedia for promotional purposes?
A question from 2005 that we still haven't answered.
- Obituaries: Marcus Sherman, Jerome West, and Pauline van Till
Rest in Peace.
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Problems
- This is a reminder. All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on September 1. This is planned between 14:00 and 15:00 UTC. Please check on the details on the announcement message.
Changes later this week
- There is no new MediaWiki version this week.
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Changes later this week
- Normally pages can be moved to a title that has no existing page yet or to a page that has only one revision, which is a redirect to the page to be moved. A new user right allows editors to move pages over one-revision pages that redirect to anywhere.
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 8 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 9 September. It will be on all wikis from 10 September (calendar).
All MediaWiki API modules will now use watchlistinstead ofwatch. This was inconsistent before.
Future changes
- The Wikipedia Android app team might work on patrolling tools in the future. You can let them know what tools would be useful for you or for less experienced patrollers. See the page on mediawiki.org.
- OTRS will be updated to a new version. This will probably take around two days. OTRS agents will not have access to the system during these days. Emails that come in during the update will be delivered when the update is done. The plan is to start around 08:00 UTC on 14 September. This could change.
- The Wikipedia Android app will send push notifications if users want them. This could help you see for example when someone wrote on your talk page or your edit was reverted. This will need Google Play Services to work. It will also be possible to get the app without Google Play Services but push notifications will not work. Google Play Services is also used to make the app work for Android 4.4 users.
Wikimedia code review could move to GitLab. It would be hosted on Wikimedia servers. You can take part in the consultation.
Dropdown menus in the Vector skin use a .menuclass. This will not work in the future. Scripts can usenav ulinstead..vectorTabsand.vectorMenuwill also not work. Some scripts need to be updated. You can read more in Phabricator.
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Problems
- The Wikipedia apps briefly showed pages without CSS last week. This meant they looked wrong. It was quickly fixed but cached pages without CSS were shown for a few hours.
Changes later this week
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 15 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 16 September. It will be on all wikis from 17 September (calendar).
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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- There is a new tag for reverted edits. For example you can see it in the recent changes feed or in the article history. It is added to edits when they have been undone, rollbacked or manually reverted to an older version of the page.
Changes later this week
- The number of times you can do something in a period of time on wiki is limited. This could be the number of edits per minute or the number of users you email in a day. Some users are not affected by all limits because of their user rights. They could soon see the limit even if it does not affect them.
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 22 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 23 September. It will be on all wikis from 24 September (calendar).
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The Signpost: 27 September 2020
- Special report: Paid editing with political connections
WE charity and Justin Trudeau, Bell Pottinger, Russian and Ukrainian oligarchs.
- News and notes: More large-scale errors at a "small" wiki
With inline parenthetical citations!
- In the media: WIPO, Seigenthaler incident 15 years later
A celebrity quiz, Scots, and a Crypto-hating Wikipedia editor
- Featured content: Life finds a Way
Animals, sports, military, and science feature heavily in this month's best content.
- Arbitration report: Clarifications and requests
Who is that guy JzG?
- Traffic report: Is there no justice?
Perhaps on the tennis court.
- Recent research: Wikipedia's flood biases
And other new research publications.
The Signpost: 27 September 2020
- Special report: Paid editing with political connections
WE charity and Justin Trudeau, Bell Pottinger, Russian and Ukrainian oligarchs.
- News and notes: More large-scale errors at a "small" wiki
With inline parenthetical citations!
- In the media: WIPO, Seigenthaler incident 15 years later
A celebrity quiz, Scots, and a Crypto-hating Wikipedia editor
- Featured content: Life finds a Way
Animals, sports, military, and science feature heavily in this month's best content.
- Arbitration report: Clarifications and requests
Who is that guy JzG?
- Traffic report: Is there no justice?
Perhaps on the tennis court.
- Recent research: Wikipedia's flood biases
And other new research publications.
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- Admins can now see links to diffs of deleted revisions on Special:AbuseLog. This uses the interface of Special:Undelete.
- Editors are automatically added to some user groups. For example editors are added to autoconfirmed users when they have edited enough times and long enough. Abuse filters can hinder users from automatically getting user rights for a period of time. They can also remove rights user have. Wikis can now ask to change how long this period of time is for their wiki in Phabricator. It is currently five days.
Problems
- Last year some abuse filters stopped working because of a new change. If they tried to use variables that were unavailable for that action they would fail. This has now been fixed.
Changes later this week
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 29 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 30 September. It will be on all wikis from 1 October (calendar).
Future changes
- You can't see the language links to other language versions from the talk page or history page. They are also not shown when you edit an article. This could change. It is not decided if for example the history page should link to another history page or to the article. You can take part in the discussion in Phabricator.
- The link colours could change. This is to make the difference between links and other text more clear. You can read more in Phabricator.
- In your preferences you can choose to get different notifications on the web or by email. You will see
Appsas one of the alternatives later this week. This is because the Android and iOS Wikipedia apps will use push notifications for those who want them. You can see the preferences on the test wiki. The goal is to have push notifications on Android in October and on iOS in early 2021. - You can soon put pages on your watchlist for a limited time. This could be useful if you want to watch something for a shorter time but don't want it on your watchlist forever. It now works on mediawiki.org and will come to more wikis later. You can read more and see when it will come to other wikis.
- You can see what Wikimedians think are the best new technical tools this year. You can also nominate them.
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Recent changes
- There is a new tool where you can see which home wiki users have in discussions on Meta. This can help show which communities are not part of the discussion on wikis where we make decisions that affect many other wikis.
- You can now thank users for file uploads or for changing the language of a page.
Problems
- There were many errors with the new MediaWiki version last week. The new version was rolled back. Updates that should have happened last week are late.
- Everyone was logged out. This was because a user reported being logged in to someone else's account. The problem should be fixed now.
Many pages have JavaScript errors. You can read more and now see a list of user scripts with errors.
Changes later this week
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 6 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 7 October. It will be on all wikis from 8 October (calendar).- Letters immediately after a link are shown as part of the link. For example the entire word in
[[Child]]renis linked. On Arabic wikis this works at both the start and end of a word. Previously on Arabic wikis numbers and other non-letter Unicode characters were shown as part of the link at the start of a word but not at the end. Now only Latin and Arabic letters will extend links on Arabic wikis.
Future changes
- You will be able to read but not to edit the wikis for up to an hour on 27 October around 14:00 (UTC). It will probably be shorter than an hour.
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Agnostic Atheism
Saucy, how is the Agnostic Atheism piece not encyclopedic at all? First off the term "Agnostic Atheism" does not even appear in the Britannica Encyclopedia. Secondly, I quoted from the Stanford Encyclopedia.
So tell me how it is not encyclopedic. I also wonder if you are doing the reverting for Hunter, since he has already reverted it twice, and now is having others do it for him? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Madjess (talk • contribs) 04:19, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Madjess: What I meant by unencyclopedic is that it did not use a neutral, encyclopedic writing style or tone. It reads more like an argumentative essay than a Wikipedia article.
- Furthermore, the entire point you were trying to make is not encyclopedic in general. Wikipedia is descriptivist, not prescriptivist. In other words, the point of Wikipedia is to describe how things are, not how they should be. Many people in the real world identify as agnostic atheist, you shouldn't argue that it doesn't actually exist just because it doesn't make sense. Many things don't make sense yet continue to exist.
- If you really want to make such a fundamental change to the article, you should get a consensus on its talk page first. Saucy[talk – contribs] 04:47, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
Agnostic Atheism
Saucy, that is your opinion only. I have cited professors from Stanford University, Harvard University, and a book and URL's from Oxford.
Before I started editing, I found out that there were many problems with this piece. Please refer to the talk page on "Agnostic Atheism." [1]
- @Madjess: Isn't that just those professors' opinions too? A large number of people (those who identify as agnostic atheist) clearly don't agree with their opinions. Saucy[talk – contribs] 06:33, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Madjess: Also, Wikinights left a message on your talk page a few hours ago and I would like to see your response Saucy[talk – contribs] 06:48, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
Agnostic Atheism
Saucy, if you research the piece thoroughly and check my sources, you will find quotes from Professors such as Paul Draper, Professor of Philosophy/Religious studies at Purdue University, who then quotes another person. And if you click on that source, you will find other sources.[2]
Agnostic Atheism
Saucy, I am finished here. Not one University that I have come across uses "Agnostic Atheism" as a valid term. And as far as the Professors opinions, if you would check their sources there is a ton. Plus in one quote the Professor, quoted from another author, (which was included by the quote from the Professor). In addition nearly every single one of the sources are recent. As opposed to the original version of this article which has archaic sources, some not reliable, one done by an Orator, (that is the only thing he is known as), etc.
If you and Wikipedia thinks it's okay to define a term that is not accepted in any scholarly circle, do so. It doesn't matter to me. This only started out as to make a point, but then I got further involved.
There will not be a consensus on this from people who are not Scholars.
Wikipedia is not an accepted source in any scholarly circles. It is not accepted in Middle School, nor High School nor College, nor any research paper, or any dissertation, nor actually anywhere except by people on social media, who think Wikipedia is a better source, than Britannica, the Oxford Press, The Stanford Encyclopedia, Harvard University, etc. I never use it as a source. I hadn't edited a Wikipedia in so long, like 15 years ago, I don't even think they show in my history, but my edits still exist today under the subject of "Jean Calas" and the "Qurasyh."
By the way, what do you think those authors most of which have little education that are in the original piece are doing? They are giving their opinion, without the knowledge that a Professor has that has a PhD.
I also did check what Almy stated, "You did not research the Oxford definition or reason out Dawkin's claim that an atheist must be certain that God does not exist. However, you did combine the two source's claims."
First off, you can not research a primary source.:@Almy: Secondly, I did not use Dawkin's claim in the article, I only used it as one example from the talk page on the term "Agnostic Atheism". Thirdly, Almy stated and I quote: "otherwise your edit was otherwise fine." Since Almy sent me that message, I corrected a number of things.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Madjess (talk • contribs) 09:20, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
So you who can't even reveal your real name, your credentials, because obviously you have something to hide, (like you are not qualified to do such work), and others like you can have Wikipedia all you like. Since I am a published Author, Scholarly Researcher, and my work has appeared in many places, I've worked as a reporter for the Dallas Morning News, I have been published in Nationwide magazines, and more recently, I am on the Board of Directors for "The Center For Pluralism" in Washington, D.C., where my work gets widely distributed, even all the way to the President, who has used my work in his State of the Union Address, etc.
One last thing before I go, there is a consensus among Universities that the term "Agnostic Atheism" is contradictory, and is taught as such. Just because people here who use pen names, (oh and by the way, if you check my user page, I updated, last week, giving all of my personal information, which you obviously are afraid to do), but I guess people with their PhD's and Post Doctorates, don't count.
I can only say adios, and I will be publishing a piece on this experience, I guess I will have to use you pen name, and state it as such.
I wonder if Encyclopedia Britannica, or any other actual credible Encyclopedia, University, etc. would allow someone to publish their work using a pen name.
Sayonara! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Madjess (talk • contribs) 09:07, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
Saucy, as I write an article on this experience, I wanted to share some more thoughts. You claim that a number of users have complained, yet you don't list the source of this information.
Just because there are some people who want to call themselves "Agnostic Atheists" today, does not mean it is an acceptable term, which it is not in any scholarly circle. By the way I am wondering what Adrian J Hunter's credentials are. Are you saying that his credentials at least equal or go beyond the credentials of Professor Paul Draper of Perdue University, which are the following:
"CURRICULUM VITAE Paul Draper 2019
EDUCATION Degrees in Philosophy, University of California, Irvine: Ph.D. 1985, M.A. 1982, and B.A. 1979.
ACADEMIC APPOINTMENTS Purdue University 2006- Professor of Philosophy. 2012-18 Director of Graduate Admissions, Department of Philosophy
Florida International University 2003-06 Director, M.A. in Liberal Studies Program. 2001-06 Professor of Philosophy. 2001-05 Chair, Department of Philosophy. 1997-99 Interim Associate Director, B.A. in Liberal Studies Program 1992-2001 Associate Professor of Philosophy. 1987-92 Assistant Professor of Philosophy. Other Universities 2011-12 Skeptical Theism Fellow, University of Notre Dame. 2010-11 Alvin Plantinga Fellow, University of Notre Dame. 1986-87 Lecturer in Philosophy, University of Wisconsin, Oshkosh. 1985-86 Postdoctoral Research Fellow, University of Notre Dame.
AREAS OF SPECIALIZATION Philosophy of religion and philosophy of science.
BOARD MEMBERSHIPS Editorial Board, Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. Editorial Board, Religious Studies. Board of Editorial Consultants, Faith and Philosophy. Editorial Advisory Board, Claremont Journal of Religion. Editorial Board, Science, Religion, and Culture.
AWARDS, FELLOWSHIPS, GRANTS, AND HONORS • Pantheism and Panentheism Project Summer Stipend, 2018. • Skeptical Theism Fellowship, Center for Philosophy of Religion, UND, 2011-2012. • Alvin Plantinga Fellowship, Center for Philosophy of Religion, UND, 2010-2011. • Templeton/American Scientific Affiliation Lecture Series Grant, 2002-2003. • Matriculation Merit Salary Award, Florida International University, 2001. • Excellence in Advising Award, Florida International University, 2000. • Center for Theology and the Natural Sciences (CTNS) Science and Religion Course Award with Carl Craver) for “Science and the Soul,” 2000. • Teaching Incentive Program Salary Award, Florida International University, 1994. • Summer Research Award, Florida International University, 1994. • Summer Research Award, Florida International University, 1991. • Outstanding Achievement and Performance Award, FIU, 1990. • Postdoctoral Research Fellowship, Center for Philosophy of Religion, UND, 1985-86. • U. C. Regents Dissertation Fellowship, 1985. • U. C. Regents Fellowship, 1979-80. • Graduation with Honors (Summa cum Laude), 1979.
Phi Beta Kappa (elected in third year), 1978."[3]
In addition Professor Paul Draper, has published and or edited approximately fifty pieces, is continually doing research,[4] but his work is not good enough for Wikipedia? Okay then, it just further confirms where Wikipedia stands in regards to scholarly research.--Madjess (talk) 18:02, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
- You take me out of context. It was me, not Almy. I did not say "otherwise your edit was otherwise fine." The full context is: "though I would have fixed the errors, not reverted, if your edit was otherwise fine," implying that I did not think your edit was otherwise fine.
- Many of our most experienced editors and administrators are anonymous. Wikipedia does not give experts a pedestal in discussions, see Wikipedia:About: "Wikipedia is written largely by amateurs. Those with expert credentials are given no additional weight." Wikinights (talk) 18:40, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
- Wikinights, And that is the problem with Wikipedia, it is written by amateurs who make up their own definitions upon weak research and archaic information, (not in all cases, but definitely this one), because they want to use a term which is no longer acceptable. Which actually deceives the public who use Wikipedia as a source, (which I do not). And no Scholar does either. (Oh and by the way, since you admit you are an amateur, I don't appreciate you or Almy, reverting my edits, when you just admitted you're amateurs, and if Wikipedia does not give any weight to people who have actually worked as editors, (which I have edited a number of books), it just proves that this encyclopedia, is really a piece of junk. And Wikipedia allows misinformation to be used by the general public, because they don't know that it is done by amateurs. In fact when I started telling people on social media this experience and giving them links, they were shocked, they didn't even know all of this which we are currently discussing.--Madjess (talk) 19:05, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
In addition, unless you have taken Journalism, Creative Writing, or any variation of, you are not qualified to make edits. I personally take my work seriously, and I will not put something out to the public that I have no education in. This first book is the 'bible' for all writers, "Shrunk and White:The Elements of Style." It is a quick reference book for all writers.[5] Now for further studies on writing and grammar, this book is more of a textbook and goes into much further detail on proper writing and grammar.[6]--Madjess (talk) 19:54, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
- If you think Wikipedia is garbage, then don't use it. No one is forcing you to. But Wikipedia being freely editable by anyone is part of the entire point of Wikipedia. "You are not qualified to make edits" is nonsense on here. I know you think that's a bad thing, and that's fine, that's your own personal opinion. But in my opinion, Wikipedia being freely editable by anyone is actually one of its strengths. If you see something that can be improved, you can just fix it yourself instead of hoping someone else eventually gets around to it. Wikipedia is never going to be completely 100% accurate. It's not some repository for scholarly articles.
- Wikipedia is community-driven. As you said, "there will not be a consensus on this from people who are not Scholars." If you know other editors won't agree with what you're doing, then don't do it. Saucy[talk – contribs] 01:44, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
Saucy, I am not talking about other editors, agreeing with what I am doing. That is irrelevant, unless they are open minded enough to actually fully research what I put out before making any edits. I don't use Wikipedia as a source and never have. I made two initial edits back in 2012, one still appears and one does not, and then I left. If anyone can go in and edit someone else's work without doing in depth research on their edits and take the time to check their sources, then they should not be editing. If they do such in depth research and edit, then the two can discuss. Which I actually started to do with Adrian J Hunter, pointing out the problems with this page and from the page I quote: "This article includes a list of general references, but it remains largely unverified because it lacks sufficient corresponding inline citations. Please help to improve this article by introducing more precise citations. (February 2017) (Learn how and when to remove this template message)."[7]
So people want to complain when this piece has serious deficiencies which I wasted a week trying to fix, and it was not going to be an overnight fix, but the editor Adrian J Hunter would obviously not work with me even though I reached out to him and told him I would work with him on this piece. And continue to make further changes, so the phrase I quoted would no longer exist.
I don't know if I told you previously, but it was not my intent to get this involved, but fell into a trap initially, (due to circumstances I won't get into) and then you tell me that it's a bunch of amateurs that objected who want to obviously use this term, even though I have not found one Philosophy Class at a University, (which I have checked several), and no one offers a Philosophy Course on "Agnostic Atheism." Nor is it accepted within any course I checked at the following University's (which of course took further in depth research), Harvard University, The University of Michigan, and Stanford University, (In addition to checking all the other scholarly work I have already listed).
This is as bad if not worse than social media, a user, (don't recall the pen name), states that I did not research the definition in the Oxford Dictionary. Are you kidding me! The Oxford Dictionary is a primary source, it is not a secondary source. It makes me wonder if some of the people here have actually ever done real research. Because if they had, it would not be published by anyone, and if done in college the way the users I have come across this week do things, would be lucky to get a D at best on their research paper.
So by Adrian J Hunter starting out by saying it is a "Philosophical Position" and his first paragraph has no citation, is just an opinion on his part. Because I have not found it in any Philosophy Book, and I researched all week, (now that doesn't mean it's not somewhere, it just means I haven't found it yet).
Anyway, that is correct I don't use Wikipedia, because it is not accepted in any scholarly circle, it is not accepted at any level of education or school that I know of as a properly cited source, (and I know plenty of educators), so all you amateur editors have done is continue to fuel false narratives across social media, because people are ignorant enough to use Wikipedia. Now if you want further confirmation of this you can contact either Professor Draper at Purdue University or Professor Selim Berker at The University of Harvard. Professor Paul Draper's contact information: Paul Draper (Redacted), and Professor Selim Berker's contact information: (Redacted)[8][9]--Madjess (talk) 03:13, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Madjess, I'm sorry for redacting your post above, but posting email addresses like that may lead to them being harvested by webcrawling spambots.
- I'm not sure why you keep claiming or insinuating that I'm the article's original author, that I had other editors do my bidding, or that I was unwilling to work with you. None of those things are true.
- You may be interested in Wikipedia:Expert editors. Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 23:48, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Adrian J. Hunter:, actually I believe you deleted them because you know this article is for shit, and you nor anyone else wanted to contact either of them, because their email addresses are already posted publicly. If you don't even realize this, it makes me wonder. So contact these Professors whose careers and credentials are beyond reproach.[10][11] Then after you do, post here what they stated, verbatim.--Madjess (talk) 20:11, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
I also don't understand why the following message within the article is not taken seriously by some users, (just because a very small number object to improving the article based on current teachings, does not mean that the term is properly used. "This article includes a list of general references, but it remains largely unverified because it lacks sufficient corresponding inline citations. Please help to improve this article by introducing more precise citations. (February 2017) (Learn how and when to remove this template message)"[12]--Madjess (talk) 20:11, 10 October 2020 (UTC)--Madjess (talk) 20:11, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
- Saucy, in addition, referring me to Adrian J. Hunter's talk page,[13] does not impress me at all. If I would have been editing constantly since 2012 when I first set up my account, I would have went beyond whatever awards he has gotten from Wikipedia, because my works have been published, and cited. Whereas like I stated Wikipedia is not an accepted source for any research paper or dissertation, or publication, or at any educational level in any school or University.
Why do you think I stopped editing? I have better things to do with my time, than edit things that will not be recognized as scholarly research anywhere. Which I have to get back to.--Madjess (talk) 02:25, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Madjess:, I was offended when you insulted my and other users' intelligence, level of education, etc. along with disparaging Wikipedia itself. Please don't insult us or Wikipedia itself while we debate (Wikipedia:Civility). Since both sides are repeating the same points and no real progress has been made, I will state what will convince me. If you demonstrate that your contributions do not violate the WP:SYNTH policy, your edits will be accepted. You may disagree with our rules, but rules are rules. See Wikipedia:Village pump if you want to change our policies. Wikinights (talk) 03:33, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
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- ↑ "Talk: Agnostic atheism". Wikipedia. Retrieved 8 October 2020.
- ↑ Draper, Paul. "Purdue University College of Liberal Arts". purdue.edu.
- ↑ Draper, Paul. "Professor of Philosophy, Perdue University" (PDF). purdue.edu. Retrieved 8 October 2020.
- ↑ Draper, Paul. "Curriculum Vitae, Paul Draper, 2019" (PDF). purdue.edu. Retrieved 8 October 2020.
- ↑ White, E.B. (July 23, 1999). Shrunk and White: The Elements of Style. Pearson. ISBN 9780205309023. Retrieved 8 October 2020.
- ↑ Stillman, Anne (July 7, 2010). Grammatically Correct (Second Edition ed.). Writer's Digest Books. ISBN 1582976163. Retrieved 8 October 2020.
{{cite book}}:|edition=has extra text (help) - ↑ "Agnostic Atheism". Wikipedia. Retrieved 9 October 2020.
- ↑ "Harvard University". harvard.edu. Retrieved 9 October 2020.
- ↑ "Purdue University, College of Liberal Arts". purdue.edu. Retrieved 9 October 2020.
- ↑ Selim, Berker. "Harvard University: Department of Philosophy". harvard.edu. Retrieved 10 October 2020.
- ↑ Draper, Paul. "Purdue University, College for Liberal Arts". purdue.edu. Retrieved 10 October 2020.
- ↑ "Agnostic atheism". Wikipedia. Retrieved 10 October 2020.
- ↑ "User Talk:Adrian J Hunter". Wikipedia. Retrieved 11 October 2020.


