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You might consider writing something (anything) on your user page. It will get the red out of the edit history, which identifies you as a 'newbie'. Happy editing. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:33, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

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Please don't do that again

Re your addition of [sic] to a quote here: please don't do that again. A quote needs to be exact, with no additions, and Wikipedia does not need "absolving" for the use of Latinxs. That word is clearly and visibly inside a quote, with quote marks, so it's not "Wikipedia" saying it. The way the quote appeared on the page after your intervention wasn't so much like saying "this quote is exact" (they always are!), but more like "there's an editor out there taking the opportunity to express disapproval of the word". Please don't mess with quotes. Bishonen | tålk 09:23, 9 August 2025 (UTC).

Fair enough. The word is offensive to most of the people it purports to describe, and I was trying to edit it according to Wikipedia's policy on offensive material, and I could have misinterpreted. I will accept your input. Oculus Dexter (talk) 15:01, 9 August 2025 (UTC)

Thank you, I'm happy to get such a gracious reply. But for all the years I've been here, I'm not aware Wikipedia has a policy on offensive material. Where is it, please? Bishonen | tålk 15:26, 9 August 2025 (UTC).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Offensive_material Oculus Dexter (talk) 03:59, 10 August 2025 (UTC)

But that is specifically about "Material that would be considered vulgar or obscene by typical Wikipedia reader". It doesn't cover Latinx Doug Weller talk 07:43, 10 August 2025 (UTC)

Doug is right. The title sounds like that would be relevant for you, but it is not. I presume you don't believe Latinx to be intentionally offensive, or a slur? Compare our article Latino, where the usage is explained:

The term Latinx (and similar neologism Xicanx) have gained some usage. The adoption of the X would be "[r]eflecting new consciousness inspired by more recent work by LGBTQI and feminist movements, some Spanish-speaking activists are increasingly using a yet more inclusive "x" to replace the "a" and "o", in a complete break with the gender binary. Among the advocates of the term LatinX, one of the most frequently cited complaints of gender bias in the Spanish language is that a group of mixed or unknown gender would be referred to as Latinos, whereas Latinas refers to a group of women only (but this is changed immediately to Latinos, if even a single man joins this female group). A 2020 Pew Research Center survey found that about 3% of Hispanics use the term (mostly women), and only around 23% have even heard of the term. Of those, 65% said it should not be used to describe their ethnic group.

I don't mean this aggressively at all, but I should guess your problem with Latinx is that it's "woke" ("LGBTQI and feminist movements", etc), not that it's vulgar or obscene. Am I right? Bishonen | tålk 08:48, 10 August 2025 (UTC).

I would not say it is vulgar or obscene, but it is offensive to most of the people it purports to describe, which is a close cousin to being a slur. I don't know about "woke", but the word was invented to make a political point that is irrelevant to the topic of the article. It does fit the common vocabulary in academia, which is where the quote comes from, a college student, but it's not a common word in society as a whole, and as mentioned, is viewed by many as an insult to Spanish-speaking people since the Spanish language has no concept of gender neutrality, so my immediate thought was--"There's not a better quote for that article? From a more authoritative source than a college kid? (Such as here: https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1961-63v10/d365, --or here-- https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/castro-cuban-exiles-america/) Who uses a word that is offensive to many, and only acceptable in the relatively small crowd she runs with?" So I used (sic), not so much to absolve Wikipedia itself, as much as to excuse the editor who put it there, and soften the readers' reaction to an likely offensive term. As you pointed out, it probably was not the best approach editorially on my part, for a direct quote, even if it was a poor choice of a quote for the article. Oculus Dexter (talk)

As to the vulgar or obscene reference from Doug Weller, that Wikipedia quote follows a passage that says "Wikipedia's encyclopedic mission encompasses the inclusion of material that may offend. Wikipedia is not censored. However, offensive words and offensive images should not be included unless they are treated in an encyclopedic manner."

I was using "offensive" as the operative guide, not vulgar or obscene. That is a different category of offensive material. No I don't the quoted writer was being intentionally offensive, just obtuse. Ironically, something that is intentionally offensive could actually be more welcome on Wikipedia than something that was offensive without trying, if it had artistic merit.

The Latinx article you quoted is another issue--it's an example of forcing unneeded change upon a language for political reasons, just as removing the gender-neutral use of the word "man" (e.g. "mankind") from the English language was, but that's a different Talk page.

But, point taken on the inappropriate editorial action on my part. Plus, it's easy to get into the weeds about blocking things that are offensive to one person/group or another. I'm good with the undo. Oculus Dexter (talk) 06:22, 12 August 2025 (UTC)

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