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Somali Air Force
editThe equipment table is for the whole period of the force's existence. Add reported new helicopters to the equipment table; do not throw out the old data.
Do note carefully that only the Bell 412s are attributed as belonging to the Somali *Air Force*; the T129s, look at the translation, are attached to the "Army." Buckshot06 (talk) 09:27, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for the clarification. I updated the fleet to reflect the latest confirmed deliveries and didn’t mean to remove historical data. About the T129s being Army, that's a little unclear because they are delivered for the air force. Maybe we can note that separately so it’s clear. I’m happy to adjust if we work together on how best to show both old and new equipment. What do you think? Majid8097 (talk) 10:03, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
- Good - let's keep the historical data. Now, in the Turkish story about the delivery of the T129s, the relevant word was "ordusuna," which is "army," that is, the whole Somali National Armed Forces. The Somali Air Force as far as I can tell does not actually exist right now - apart from trainees who have been trained in Turkey. What we have is some contractor-flown 412s (I think), plus a whole Turkish contingent, with drones, helicopters, ships, etc, that has some Somali trainees returned from training in Turkey. If you have reliable sources attesting to the Air Force's existence, apart from the stories about helicopter deliveries, please link them. Buckshot06 (talk) 15:53, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
- The claim that the Somali Air Force doesn’t exist is not accurate. Somali youth pilots, trained in countries like Turkey, Qatar, and Eritrea, are actively flying helicopters such as the Bell 412. This has been documented and broadcast on Somali National TV. These are Somali officers operating under Somali command, not foreign contractors. While the air force is still in the process of rebuilding and relies on international support, that does not negate its existence. National institutions can function even while developing. If needed, I can provide footage and sources showing Somali pilots operating Somali aircraft. Majid8097 (talk) 16:51, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
- Additionally, the drones belonging to the Somali government are operated by NISA, the National Intelligence and Security Agency, which includes Somali personnel trained in drone surveillance and operations. While Turkish operators initially supervised their use in 2021, it is now officially Somali personnel who operate them. If needed, I can provide sources and footage showing Somali pilots and operators in action. Majid8097 (talk) 16:57, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
- Can you please link the Somali National TV programmes you are speaking of?
- The sources you are speaking of?
- Can you provide any links or data about maintenance personnel?
- Please go ahead and link the sources and footage regarding the drone operations, and, especially, the official changeover from Turkish to Somali control of drone operations.
- Be very keen to see all these sources!! Thankyou!! Buckshot06 (talk) 20:41, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
- Here’s a public example of Somali Air Force pilots flying helicopters during a national event, as broadcast on Somali National TV: https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1ALBk4uAy4/
- https://www.facebook.com/share/v/16oujvnhRT/ . These are clearly Somali personnel, in uniform, flying Bell helicopters under Somali command. As for drone operations, NISA itself claims via its official X account that Somali operators conducted airstrikes and the Somali National TV clearly says it's conducted by Somali personell in everyday reports: https://x.com/HSNQ_NISA/status/1902835642247057713. While it’s understandably hard to find a single formal document detailing the exact handover of drone control from Turkish trainers to Somali personnel, the operational reality is clear, the current UCAV missions are led by NISA with Somali staff under supervision of some Turkish military experts. If you simply search for “who operates Somali drones,” or “Somali UCAV operators,” you’ll find consistent reports naming Somali personnel. The narrative that these systems are exclusively run by foreign contractors is outdated. So with helicopter pilots on national TV, public statements from NISA, and an observable shift in operational control, it’s honestly fair to say the Somali Air Force exists and is operated by Somalis. Majid8097 (talk) 22:10, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
- Not to forget, following the acquisition of Bell helicopters in 2023, Somalia opened its first dedicated MRO (Maintenance, Repair, and Overhaul) facility in January 2024 , to support its growing air capabilities, further proving that local operational infrastructure is being developed. These facts collectively undermine the claim that the Somali Air Force "doesn’t exist." It's growing and Somali run, both flying and maintenance. Majid8097 (talk) 22:46, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
- Good - let's keep the historical data. Now, in the Turkish story about the delivery of the T129s, the relevant word was "ordusuna," which is "army," that is, the whole Somali National Armed Forces. The Somali Air Force as far as I can tell does not actually exist right now - apart from trainees who have been trained in Turkey. What we have is some contractor-flown 412s (I think), plus a whole Turkish contingent, with drones, helicopters, ships, etc, that has some Somali trainees returned from training in Turkey. If you have reliable sources attesting to the Air Force's existence, apart from the stories about helicopter deliveries, please link them. Buckshot06 (talk) 15:53, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
Pictured Somali Bell pilot
editDear Majid8097, thanks for all these sources!!
Also very important, the civilian MRO Blue Hanger at MIA!! - many thanks!!
There is one clearly pictured Somali Bell 412 pilot (Osman Ali?), and at least two aircraft shown in the clips. The Somali civil registry markings "6O" are visible on both tailbooms. Osman Ali is wearing khaki, military-style flying clothing with no insignia, except a name tape, and, in the second clip, a Somali flag on his left shoulder. No helmet, other flying kit, or flightsuit is visible. Can you find any interviews or stories where he discusses his training? My understanding is that a small percentage of the Turkish trainees were Air Force, so I would be keen to hear if he was trained in Turkey. Buckshot06 (talk) 06:44, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
- Just to clarify, regarding the video I previously shared, the interview features Mohammed Hashi Ali, one of the Somali helicopter pilots, as interviewed by Somali National TV. So I’m not sure where the reference to Osman Ali came from perhaps it's a different individual or a misattribution. As for the aircraft, you’re correct that only two Bell helicopters are shown in that particular clip but that was likely due to the casual interview-focused nature of the footage. I do have other videos showing 6–7 Somali Air Force helicopters which I’d be happy to share if you’re interested. Importantly, here is the link to the full interview with Mohammed Hashi Ali where he explains his training background, including where and how(he was trained in Sudan 10 years ago)he trained . And here’s cockpit footage of another Somali pilot clearly flying one of the Bell helicopters demonstrating that Somali pilots are not just training but are also operational .These materials reflect the broader reactivation of Somali aviation capabilities and offer a useful snapshot of the current landscape. Let me know if you’d like more details or further sources, happy to help. Majid8097 (talk) 11:58, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
- Great!! Sure you would be able to read that nametape more accurately than me!! Mohammed Hashi Ali it is. Of course it's unlikely that all the recently arrived helicopters would be lined up at once, all in a line; what I was saying was that I could see, in the same clip, two Bell twin-engined helicopters both on the Somali civil registry. I would be very keen to see the other videos with up to 6-7 aircraft that you mention. I will keenly go and read that interview!! I have no doubt whatsoever that some Somali helicopter pilots are indeed flying the helicopters, I should say. Cheers and thanks!! Buckshot06 (talk) 15:35, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
- Here is a video showing the Somali Air Force section at Aden Adde International Airport (MIA) and 6-7 bells.The civilian registration on the two helicopters in the video likely indicates temporary use as most now carry SAF registrations. Here's a close-up of one of their tails. Majid8097 (talk) 20:20, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
- Great!! Sure you would be able to read that nametape more accurately than me!! Mohammed Hashi Ali it is. Of course it's unlikely that all the recently arrived helicopters would be lined up at once, all in a line; what I was saying was that I could see, in the same clip, two Bell twin-engined helicopters both on the Somali civil registry. I would be very keen to see the other videos with up to 6-7 aircraft that you mention. I will keenly go and read that interview!! I have no doubt whatsoever that some Somali helicopter pilots are indeed flying the helicopters, I should say. Cheers and thanks!! Buckshot06 (talk) 15:35, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
Here!! What about this one!! https://www.tiktok.com/@somali.air.force/video/7497992630693924114 Can you read what the pilot's badges show?? These (two?) pilots are wearing flightsuits as well as several military badges, though the helicopter itself is not visible (don't know if it's the same 6O choppers from the other clip). Buckshot06 (talk) 06:58, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
- That TikTok video is actually AI generated, you can tell because the textures and details on the flightsuits and badges look off or unclear. It’s not real footage, but it shows how much interest there is in the Somali Air Force right now. Majid8097 (talk) 11:34, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
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Hello, I'm Avgeekamfot. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Somali Civil Aviation Authority, but you didn't provide a reliable source. On Wikipedia, it's important that article content be verifiable. If you'd like to resubmit your change with a citation, your edit is archived in the page history. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Facebook, LinkedIn, and Simple Flying are all unreliable sources. Avgeekamfot (talk) 10:51, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for pointing that out. I completely understand the concern about reliability. Just to clarify, the use of Facebook and LinkedIn was only to identify and support the existence and classification of Gamtecs Aviation Academy, which was necessary context. That said, I agree that they shouldn't be the main sources for core factual claims, and I’m already working on replacing them with more solid, verifiable references.
- The overall information added is accurate, reflects real developments, and can be backed up with stronger sources, many of which already exist and can be used instead. If you're open to it, I’d appreciate your help in identifying or recommending which sources you'd consider the most appropriate, since the goal here is simply to improve the article’s quality with the right citations, not push unverifiable content.
- Thanks again for your time and input. Majid8097 (talk) 11:06, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
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Buckshot06 Continuing from before, I saw that article too. It says "allegedly" and doesn’t have solid proof, so we really should’ve just treated it as an unconfirmed allegation. The helicopters were definitely used officially, and the whole renting thing sounds more like a rumor or misunderstanding than real.
Garowe Online is usually reliable but leans a bit toward Puntland so sometimes they add a little extra spice. Everyone wants attention these days so stories can sound more dramatic than they really are. If they looked into it properly it’d probably just be confusion around Gamtecs or the civil registry, nothing shady. Majid8097 (talk) 15:13, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- Somalis are constantly on the lookout to make money, and have a very different approach, as people with a millennia patrimonial old culture, to the public and private spheres which were, as my heritage should remember with some shame, an imposition of the Italian and British colonizers, less that 150 years old. It's completely plausible - in fact, it barely scratches the surface of the misuse of official buildings, assets, vehicles etc that has been going on, on the back of foreign money, since 2008 and before. I believe it's quite likely solid fact. If it had been Faarmajo's time and about Faarmajo's misuse of official vehicles, to stay somewhat parallel, etc, would you have really repeatedly tried to discredit it in my eyes so much? I think not. The NYT and Washington Post constantly report on U.S. defence misbehavings with anonymous sources - I see no reason less to believe this anonymous source. Kind regards, Buckshot06 (talk) 16:48, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- Buckshot06Thank you for your message. I want to respond clearly and personally to the assumptions and statements you made.
- First of all, I want to be honest with you. I know that sometimes the way I edit Wikipedia might appear as if I am trying to promote something or someone. But the truth is, I am just a Somali individual who sees how poorly and carelessly Somalia is treated in data, reporting, and historical presentation. I see outdated info, incomplete sections, articles that speak about Somalia like it is a forgotten corner of the world. So yes, I fight to correct, update, rephrase, and save my country's image wherever I can. I do this because if I don’t, others will continue to treat it like a collection of random articles that deserve no attention or respect. I give this effort because I believe Somalia deserves the same level of care and accuracy that is given to any other country. And I do all of this within Wikipedia’s policies. I avoid anything that is not allowed. I follow the guidelines. I stay neutral. But I will never stay silent when I see that my country is being misrepresented, especially when others would just scroll past and leave it as it is.
- Now let me be honest with you. Your statement that Somalis are constantly on the lookout to make money is offensive and disappointing. That kind of blanket generalization shows a shallow view of an entire people. Somalia, like any other country, has problems and corruption in some areas, but reducing the entire culture to that idea is simply wrong. Many Somalis work with dignity and ethics in both public and private sectors. What you said ignores the real progress and resilience inside the country.
- You also tried to paint Somali culture as not fitting into public and private systems because of colonial history. That is an old narrative and it does not reflect today’s reality. Somalis are not stuck in the past. In fact, they are pushing forward with a stronger grip on reform, structure, and national interest than many people think. And when you speak of misuse of government vehicles or assets, I ask you to be realistic. To claim that our presidents would rent national property for eight thousand dollars is not just baseless, it is insulting. That kind of number insults the intelligence of an entire people. Somali presidents, no matter their politics, are more than that. And Somalis, as a people, have a deep sense of national pride and honor.
- You brought up how news like this would be accepted if it came from NYT or Washington Post. I know those outlets and I respect the work they do, but there is a difference. They have editorial checks, fact verification, and institutional responsibility. Wikipedia does not use anonymous tips as sources unless they are published in those kinds of vetted platforms. That is why I challenged the information, not because of who it was about.
- You also assumed that if this claim was made about Farmaajo, I would not have said anything. That is not true, and I want you to know that. If you look at my editing history, you will see I have always focused on facts, accuracy, and clarity. I am not here to defend anyone or attack anyone. I edit for the sake of truth.
- Lastly, I want you to understand something important. Somalis are not weak people. We are a people who fought off colonization with everything we had. We did not fall under full European control like much of the continent. We resisted slavery and preserved our dignity through generations of hardship. Our identity is rooted in pride that does not bow to oppression, wealth, or even modern power. As the British explorer Richard Burton once wrote, a Somali sees himself as superior even to the white man. This is not arrogance, it is pride born from history, from independence, from never being broken. So when you suggest that the entire Somali system is just one of personal gain and misuse, you are stepping on that legacy, whether you meant to or not.
- Let us keep things focused on verifiable facts and respectful conversation. That is all I ask. I am not here to argue out of emotion or loyalty to anyone. I am here because the truth matters. Thanks! Majid8097 (talk) 17:17, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- Buckshot06 Just to ask openly, where are you from? What you said today and previously is a direct generalization about Somalis. Combined with your frequent patrolling of Somali articles and repeated disputes with me, it feels like there’s personal emotion involved more than neutral editing. You also come across as someone who isn’t quite happy with what I’m neutrally, constructively, and policy-compliantly doing for Somalia. Majid8097 (talk) 17:44, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for your long message. To go last first, there's a [variant] New Zealand flag on my userpage, and the culture I referred to is British.
- Weak? Heavens no. Far far too skilled at presenting the right face to the outside world to extract resources (Hagmann 2016 ) to be called "weak." Far too schooled in a harsh nomadic lifestyle. Irregular - yes, now, since the 1980s, yes, every day. Anyone who's read Hanley would agree - never weak.
- Now, maybe I ought to restrict my comments to that of the political elites, but I see far too much evidence - from those who have visited Somalia many more times than I - that the political class and their networks constantly do all the things I have described. I've pointed you again and again to things like Majid et al, https://eprints.lse.ac.uk/110878/ and https://eprints.lse.ac.uk/124885/ and you never seem to engage with them or any of the other anthropologists' or researchers or the Group of Experts reports etc showing that this kind of misappropriation goes on regularly!! Buckshot06 (talk) 18:11, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- I saw you're from New Zealand and referring to British culture in your comparisons, thanks for clarifying that.
- Buckshot06 Just to ask openly, where are you from? What you said today and previously is a direct generalization about Somalis. Combined with your frequent patrolling of Somali articles and repeated disputes with me, it feels like there’s personal emotion involved more than neutral editing. You also come across as someone who isn’t quite happy with what I’m neutrally, constructively, and policy-compliantly doing for Somalia. Majid8097 (talk) 17:44, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- I know you have an image of me as a nationalist trying to cover up my country or the problems of certain elites, but I’m seriously just a Somali person who grew up in Somalia, studied outside Somalia, and has been to multiple countries. I'm not arrogant to the point where I deliberately erase all the negative things about Somalia or its politics. If that were the case, I would’ve edit-fought you to erase that unconfirmed acquisition. However, I didn’t do that.
- I cooperated with you and explained how it’s a confusion and rumor caused by the civilian registration and its use by the president’s travel (what the source called “government officials”) to the frontlines, and by the defense minister and SNA commanders (what they called “personnel from other security sectors”). I wanted it to stay because I don’t care who I should defend. I’m an educated person and I know my moves, so I calmly told you to frame it as unconfirmed allegations or even framing it as “rumors” would’ve been better since the sources that reported it don’t have hard evidence.
- When that happened, I started digging deep, made efforts, contacted friends I have working at Aden Adde International Airport, and after a tough investigation, I found the registration’s real purpose. The government had established a local Somali Air Force training facility, and the helicopters are used to train Somali Air Force pilots. Sometimes they’re used for presidential travel, though rarely, and mostly for special occasions or to frontline areas.
- That said, I fully acknowledge the corruption in Somalia and I have many stories to tell about it if you’d like to hear. But personally claiming that a president would rent a helicopter to government officials for $8,000 is just unrealistic. Somalia has a large diaspora community. It’s not as poor as other African countries, since the diaspora sends hundreds or sometimes thousands of dollars to their families back home. That means it’s not at the level of poverty where a president who could access millions through other means would risk renting out newly acquired helicopters that all eyes are on, especially since they’re the first in three decades.
- I have also read the links you mentioned above, I'm hoping we'll be cooperative. Majid8097 (talk) 08:13, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
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editHello! I am Majid9087, interested in defense, security, and aviation topics. Majid8097 (talk) 23:34, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
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editHi, dear Majid8097; The Rasul ibn Ali article as of now redirects to Sultanate of Mogadishu, do you have any opinion about the recreation of this article? The article's pevious version can be found in the page history. Thanks. 82.45.168.148 (talk) 12:21, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
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Avgeekamfot (talk) 10:41, 13 August 2025 (UTC)Clarifying the structure of Astaan Group, Astaan TV, and Astaan Films
editDervish10, Zabezt, QalasQalas, So252, Hi fellow Somali editors, I was making Astaan article(s) and got a bit confused about how everything fits together. From what I can tell, Astaan Group is the parent company, Astaan TV is the broadcasting arm, and Astaan Films seems to handle production, localization, dubbing, and the Somali-branded channels like Astaan Ubad and Astaan Hidaaya. So basically, Astaan Films might be the studio/content side under the TV network.
I’m not 100% sure, though. Are Astaan TV and Astaan Films really two separate entities under Astaan Group, or is it more like one with just a studio for the production? I wanted to throw this out here for discussion. If anyone has more info, sources, or a different take, please share! Would love to get this clarified so the article is accurate. Majid8097 (talk) 22:47, 13 August 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, from the information I could gather from the Somali Wikipedia article on Astaan and Astaan Groups official website (https://astaangroup.com/). Astaan Group is the parent company which was formed later to group and hold all the 'branches' of astaan. Astaan TV was the first, and various channels like astaan films were launched under the Astaan TV company. They are not seperate companies.
- Astaan Media is a seperate comapny that works with governments, NGOs and some humanitarian part too "In 2018, we launched Astaan Media, a premier communication and multimedia consultancy. Our team collaborates with government bodies, NGOs, United Nations agencies, and global institutions to design and deliver high-impact storytelling, strategic campaigns, and live events that engage audiences and inspire action." From their website.
- Astaan Energy is another company within the Astaan group that focuses on providing energy. primarily solar according to their website.
- Astaan Ecommerce is another company within the group, focuses on building a digital marketplace.
- this is my suggestion on the article, I noticed you added a plurality to word Article. I strongly suggest you keep all information regarding Astaan on 1 page. Im not sure how you do this but you could make it so every sub company is a redirect to the page. The page should be named Astaan Group, with subsections for each different company further in the article. Im more than sure they will be launching several more companies in the future, very common occurance with Somali Conglomerate companies - They dont even bother to change the name for every different company like conglomerates in the west. But I digress. Dervish10 (talk) 06:19, 14 August 2025 (UTC)
- I have no idea since all origins were WP:PSTS so I think you need WP:SECONDARY, and WP:IS. QalasQalas (talk) 06:53, 14 August 2025 (UTC)
- The problem here is not the sources walaal the confusion surrounding Astaan. I asked for your take on this, should Astaan Group article be made and later all Astaan companies? Majid8097 (talk) 09:19, 14 August 2025 (UTC)
- WAIT, first create a draft for more published links, then redirect and expand it later, or all the (WP:Stub) will end up for WP:AFD. QalasQalas (talk) 09:25, 14 August 2025 (UTC)
- 1. Astaan Media Group as parent e.g., BeIN Media Group
- Astaan Sports like (BeIN Sports)
- Astaan Films... (beIN MOVIES)
- Astaan Ubad... (Jeem TV)
- QalasQalas (talk) 09:33, 14 August 2025 (UTC)
- Looks like you are confused here.
- 1. Astaan Group-Parent company.
- 2. Astaan TV-BroascastingA arm with 113+ channels in total.
- 3.Astaan Hidaaya, Astaan Ubad, Astaan barnaamij(forgot it's exact name), Astaan Drama, Astaan Films, Astan Action, Astaan Music, Astaan sports. These are all channels that feature Somali content and foreign content that's translated, localised, and dubbed.
- They are in Astaan TV but their work is separate because Somalia personnel work to make sure quality, accurate translation, localisation and smooth dubbing. Majid8097 (talk) 09:48, 14 August 2025 (UTC)
- Cool, here you go!! I wish you good luck. QalasQalas (talk) 09:50, 14 August 2025 (UTC)
- The problem here is not the sources walaal the confusion surrounding Astaan. I asked for your take on this, should Astaan Group article be made and later all Astaan companies? Majid8097 (talk) 09:19, 14 August 2025 (UTC)
- Dervish10 Thanks so much for your detailed explanation and research. I think we’re largely on the same page regarding the structure. I previously mentioned and agree that Astaan Group is the parent company, Astaan TV is the broadcasting arm, and channels like Astaan Films, Astaan Ubad, Astaan Drama operate under it rather than as separate companies. But Astaan TV includes 113+ channels and only 9 of them are Somali dubbed, localised, translated. Your suggestion to keep all information on one page with subsections makes perfect sense(and on the same side as me).
- I do have a small concern. I want to make sure that in clarifying the structure, we don’t unintentionally discredit the work of the teams responsible for Somali dubbing, translation, quality control, localisation, and production. Even though Astaan TV is primarily the broadcaster, these teams’ contributions are significant and deserve proper recognition.
- One idea I had is to consider creating a separate article called Astaan Studio, focused on the localization, dubbing, and production work. This could highlight the professional teams and their role while keeping the corporate structure accurate. Astaan TV would remain the broadcasting arm, but Astaan Studio would show the behind-the-scenes work that makes the channels high-quality.
- Would love to hear your thoughts on this approach. Majid8097 (talk) 09:40, 14 August 2025 (UTC)
- I dont think thats a good Idea, its better to have everything in 1 article. The difference you mention does not warrant the creation of a new article. Probably a stub since we need a lot of secondary sources and so far most of what we have is straight from Astaan. I dont even know if its our responsibility to credit the work of the dubbers, In fact I dont even think Astaan does that. Astaan Studio should be a subsection of the Astaan TV section of the Astaan Group article. Dervish10 (talk) 18:33, 14 August 2025 (UTC)
- Perfect, keeping Astaan Studio as a subsection under Astaan TV makes sense. Astaan TV has significant independent and secondary coverage, so creating an article for it is fine. The challenge is the Astaan Group article, since most of the information we have there comes directly from the company and lacks independent sources. Majid8097 (talk) 20:12, 14 August 2025 (UTC)
- I dont think thats a good Idea, its better to have everything in 1 article. The difference you mention does not warrant the creation of a new article. Probably a stub since we need a lot of secondary sources and so far most of what we have is straight from Astaan. I dont even know if its our responsibility to credit the work of the dubbers, In fact I dont even think Astaan does that. Astaan Studio should be a subsection of the Astaan TV section of the Astaan Group article. Dervish10 (talk) 18:33, 14 August 2025 (UTC)
- Dervish10, QalasQalas I’ve published the draft. Feel free to contribute your knowledge or make improvements to help it get accepted Draft:Astaan Group. Majid8097 (talk) 06:25, 22 August 2025 (UTC)
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editHey, I am creating an article about the 2022 Somali government + allies offensive in Hiraan and Middle Shabelle. Considering your heavy, well-sourced edits to this article, I think it may be something you'd be interested in checking out. Jebiguess (talk) 20:30, 16 January 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks! Could you point me to the article you’re referring to? I’ll take a look. Majid8097 (talk) 16:54, 18 January 2026 (UTC)
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