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Ratnahastin (talk) 12:31, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

@Ratnahastin Hey, I’m trying to wrap my head around how much weight we need to give to names and party affiliations in India TV article. Can’t we just point out the bias as reported by specific news outlets? Plus, I think we should mention the sources when adding controversial statements. According to Wikipedia’s guideline WP:ASSERT, when a statement is an opinion or subject to dispute, it should be attributed to the person or group holding that opinion. For instance, we would say, 'John Doe's baseball skills have been praised by baseball insiders such as Al Kaline and Joe Torre.' We wouldn’t write, 'John Doe is the best baseball player.' The inclusion of opinions should align with weight policy and be backed up with reliable sources that verify both the opinion and who holds it. I.Mahesh (talk) 12:50, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Attribution is not needed because multiple reliable sources confirm the information in question. Ratnahastin (talk) 12:55, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

@Ratnahastin I get that multiple sources can strengthen an argument, but I only see one reliable source cited in the article. Wouldn't it be better to attribute controversial opinions to specific outlets, especially if they're pivotal to the narrative? It adds clarity and context to the claims. Also, it aligns with Wikipedia's guidelines on ensuring that subjective statements are properly attributed. If there are indeed multiple reliable sources confirming the information, could you please add those to the article? This would help provide a more comprehensive view and reinforce the claims being made. Thanks! I.Mahesh (talk) 12:58, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

There are more sources for supporting the same as such rewording is not needed unless you can find a source that refutes the information. Ratnahastin (talk) 13:05, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

@Ratnahastin I understand your point, but the only source I found apart from The Caravan is Clarion India, which seems to be used in less than 20 articles on Wikipedia and appears to lack the necessary authenticity. Moreover, the website states: Clarion India is not responsible for views and claims expressed by contributors and for reports sourced by other media networks and news agencies. They do not necessarily represent or reflect the editorial policy of the publication. This suggests that it operates more as a crowd-sourced platform, which can impact its reliability. If you have additional reliable sources that support the claim about India TV, could you please share those? It's essential for our article to be backed by well-established references, especially when discussing potential biases. Thanks! I.Mahesh (talk) 13:30, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Apparently, it appears to be common information thus I am not sure why you are disputing it. Ratnahastin (talk) 14:25, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

@Ratnahastin I appreciate your insights! However, when I search for reliable sources, I only find references to Clarion and Caravan, with Clarion often referred to as Caravan Daily, which raises concerns about its reliability. Given this context, it seems crucial to rely on more established publications. Therefore, I believe we should consider including citations from reputable sources like The Japan Times and The Hindu Frontline to substantiate the claims in the article. I'm not trying to dispute your points but rather seeking clarity on this matter. I.Mahesh (talk) 14:46, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

@Ratnahastin, when I read the BBC and CNN articles, I noticed that while they were criticized for taking sides, this was not mentioned in the lead but rather in a separate criticism section. Why aren't we adopting a similar approach for Indian outlets? Could you clarify my doubt on why we choose to place the data related to bias on the Lead itself? I.Mahesh (talk) 18:41, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Canvassing on wikimediaindia-l

Please don't. If you do want to attract attention, please use a more neutrally worded message next time. Sohom (talk) 01:05, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

@Sohom Datta Agreed; I discussed this with Valereee, and I also believe that asking the community to help formalize a guideline based on an already-established consensus is different from canvassing for support on an undecided matter. For example, if consensus has already been reached to remove a specific term from similar pages, then encouraging the community to build a guideline around it would simply help maintain consistency across articles and reduce repetitive discussions. Isn’t canvassing about seeking support for a specific viewpoint? In this case, there’s no viewpoint being promoted, just an effort to implement an existing consensus as a guideline.

mvJ I.Mahesh (talk) 01:22, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

(cc @Valereee since they were mentioned) I'm unsure if you discussed the exact text of the message with them, but I don't think the message you sent in the mailing list is as neutrally worded as you might be thinking. My advise on this matter would be to stick to the verbatim text of the {{please see}} template going forward if you do want to gain participations from offwiki forums. Sohom (talk) 01:31, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

@Sohom Datta:, my initial email to the community was as follows:

Hello

Regarding the recent discussions at Talk:2024_Kolkata_rape_and_murder#RfC:_Name_of_victim, a consensus has been reached to avoid naming the victim on the page. Following this discussion, a new topic has been opened at Wikipedia talk of Style/India-related articles to create a guideline that rules out naming victims based on specified criteria.

However, progress cannot proceed further because there was no participation from the Indian community, although the discussion was opened on 21st September, and even after a request was made on the WikiProject India Noticeboard. Inputs from interested users are encouraged so that rules and regulations can be drafted in the Wikipedia Manual of Style, considering cultural norms within our country.

Since sending this message, the participation in discussions has remained effectively zero. Even in my recent discussion at Notice board for India Related Topics, none from India participated.

It's becoming clear that there’s no interest here. When we could have worked together to make Wikipedia more aligned with Indian legal and cultural norms, the response was silence. But now, the discussion has shifted to accusations of canvassing rather than addressing the underlying need for consistency on this topic. Without real support, I don’t see how we can avoid ongoing debates with media or courts over our content, much less build a Wikipedia that respects the nuances of our cultural landscape. We have already been to court twice on this topic, I don't see next one being as easy as before. I.Mahesh (talk) 02:19, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

I would just suggest not including the last line going forward since it implies that you want folks to support a particular outcome. Sohom (talk) 04:49, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

@Sohom Datta Thank you. I understand your point, and I’ll make sure to avoid language that might imply steering towards a particular outcome in future messages.

My aim was just to encourage wider input from the community to help formalize an already-established consensus, if they are against the guideline, it would be helpful to know Why?. This would help us maintain a consistent approach across similar cases and reduce the need for repeated discussions. I.Mahesh (talk) 05:09, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

{{self-whale}} I think I may have let the current events in India influence my tone, so I’ll be stepping back from discussions on this topic going forward. I.Mahesh (talk) 05:38, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Hey, I.Mahesh. I know you consider consistency from article to article important, but many editors think taking things on a case-by-case basis is a better approach than creating more policy. I suspect that even if the Indian community were interested in placing details of Indian law into Wikipedia policy, much of the broader community would object. Valereee (talk) 14:23, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

The string of events started from this talkpage, nevertheless, lets stick to case by case approach only for now. I.Mahesh (talk) 14:56, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

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Hello, I noticed your comment on Talk:Rajat Sharma and it seemed AI generated to me so I ran it through GPTzero and the result was that it was 100% AI generated. I have seen your other comments and they all appear to be written in the same style, if you are using ChatGPT then please stop it, AI generated responses are impersonal and can be misleading, repetitive or gibberish lacking any meaningful point. Your edits on Rajat Sharma are also written in this same style, if they are also generated using AI , then you really need to read WP:LLM.Abhishek0831996 (talk) 16:22, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

@Abhishek0831996 Hello!! From the WP:LLM, it says Wikipedia is not a testing ground. Using LLMs to write one's talk page comments or edit summaries, in a non-transparent way, is strongly discouraged. LLMs used to generate or modify text should be mentioned in the edit summary, even if their terms of service do not require it.

I'm unaware of this rule. The points I'm willing to add on that talkpage are too long and requires copyediting, so the LLM was used for that desired task. I will mention it on my edit summary from the next edits (if used) and I do am aware of and checked with Wikipedia's principles of NPoV and Copyright violations, while using LLM to rephrase my content. Any LLM used by me for editing was only for rephrasing or copyediting only, and I do agree that I can't spend too much time on Wiki now a days like I used to do, to grasp content about the newly fabricated rules (last time I'm very active was in 2019). If somone points them out from my edits, I can definitely go through them and thanks for pointing it out. I.Mahesh (talk) 16:52, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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India-Pakistan border conflicts article vandalism

Hello I.Mahesh, I saw you recently warned Shoriful islam46 for his apparent vandalism in inserting false Indian casualty information. Despite this warning, and being reverted several times, he has proceeded to do the same in no less than five articles despite being reverted. I could use your help in keeping his vandalism under control in any way possible. Thanks in advance! EkoGraf (talk) 20:52, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

These are revision links, you can use: 2011 India–Pakistan border skirmish; 2013 India–Pakistan border skirmish (1), 2013 India–Pakistan border skirmish (2); 2014–2015 India–Pakistan border skirmishes (1), 2014–2015 India–Pakistan border skirmishes (2); 2016–2018 India–Pakistan border skirmishes (1), 2016–2018 India–Pakistan border skirmishes (2), 2016–2018 India–Pakistan border skirmishes (3); and 2020–21 India–Pakistan border skirmishes (1), 2020–21 India–Pakistan border skirmishes (2), 2020–21 India–Pakistan border skirmishes (3). I.Mahesh (talk) 05:47, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your help at the noticeboard for providing the links. I have added new ones since he has continued with his disruptive editing again today, despite being warned. And now he is even inserting false figures which are not the same as the old ones he was adding before. EkoGraf (talk) 12:28, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

PAF casualties

The PAF casualties are reported by Pakistani outlets and even the President of Pakistan confirmed a Squadron Leader was killed. Why remove it? Linkin Prankster (talk) 16:56, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

Please check who removed it. I.Mahesh (talk) 17:02, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

Sorry my mistake. Linkin Prankster (talk) 17:19, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

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2025 Kerala oil spill

Hey, I saw you removed this article from the challenge - everything okay? It looks pretty good :) RossEvans19 (talk) 17:48, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Dr. Blofeld:, @RossEvans19:, I came across this line:

"If you want to contribute and participate in it as you would an editathon but don’t want to win prizes, just add your articles to the Article Achievements list at the bottom of this page. Make sure you add your name to the participants list if you submit an article or more though."

Does this mean that the articles listed in the Article Achievements section aren’t eligible for prizes? I'm a bit confused by the wording and wanted to clarify. I.Mahesh (talk) 18:13, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

I'd check with Dr.Blofield as I'm not sure :) RossEvans19 (talk) 18:16, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

All entries done for the contest are to be added in the article achievements section. If you aren't interested in the prizes and are doing it purely for editathon enjoyment you don't need to enter your articles on the separate entries page. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 07:16, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

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Some done on the 17th July

Hi, you'll have to remove articles like this from your list and prize claim as they were done after the 23:59.59 deadline but you can still keep them up on the main page. Just remove the entries which were done on 17 July UK time. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:29, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

Yep, I just checked it online right now. In this case, I would recommend that the organizers avoid using local time zones for the International contests. Wikipedia operates on UTC, and that's what most contributors are familiar with. I'm aware of Daylight Saving Time, but in my experience, we're never taught that the UK switches between GMT in winter and BST in summer - not in our schools or colleges. The moment we see UK time, it always like +5:30 IST for us.

Every international contest I’ve seen on Wikimedia projects typically use UTC (+5:30 IST), so I’ve become used to that standard format. If you're in touch with the organizing team, please encourage them to stick with UTC - a universally understood and editable standard - rather than local times for international contests.

All the effort put into the contest feels diminished because of this small but significant change from the usual Wikimedia practices. Something as simple as the difference between GMT and BST ended up causing confusion. Please consider this feedback for future events.

And yes, you're true @Wheelygay, that's my lack of knowledge, which costed me an entire night 🫤. I.Mahesh (talk) 11:31, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

Understand, but it is clear to most people, just look online what the current time is in London. It's my contest design and rules, nothing to do with the sponsors. I said "ends at 23:59.59 UK time". You still won the architecture prize and your articles count towards our 50,000 challenge so nothing is lost as far as I can see. A wonderful effort, well done! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:21, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, I get it. We were taught from our childhood that London is always 5:30 behind Delhi. They made it like a Sun rises in the east kind of fact. So, I didn't even bothered looking it up and was unaware of BST in summers. I should've googled it, even for a caution. And, for this 50,000 challenge, can we keep on expanding the articles irrespective of Destubathons and add it to the list or we have to wait? Cause lately I got hands on books which can significantly expand the Tourism related articles in our states. I.Mahesh (talk) 15:37, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

Yes, the contests are intended to fuel the Wikipedia:The 50,000 Destubbing Challenge long term. If we run a series of contests as successful as the last two I want to scale it to 100,000. Ideally a 1 million but not feasible, we'd be talking decades unless we got a few thousand editors. I do want to set up a national contest for India sometime soon, it really needs it! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:18, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

Even I'm thinking of this. SAARC and African countries need these of contests. I'll discuss with my community and let you know, thanks. I.Mahesh (talk) 16:36, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

Editor of the Week Award

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Apology

Hi, I'm sorry. I realise it was rude to call you out publicly for what was an honest mistake and I have deleted the comments. Obviously I am upset as we both care a lot about the contest and I suggest we discuss with Dr.Blofeld. India is +4.5h from UK, and I am in UK so having seen at very close to midnight that you hadn't edited anything since around 3pm GMT I was sure I had won the prize. Had I seen you were editing I would have continued to edit more, but I slowed my pace as I'd checked your contributions and seen you hadn't done anything in the final hours. Wheelygay (talk) 11:31, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

Oh I've just noticed Dr. Blofeld's comment above! Again, apologies for the comment on the prize list, that was rude of me. And I do agree with you for what its worth, the GMT time zone thing caused confusion Wheelygay (talk) 11:34, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, no worries...!! Anyway, I think I got a good hold on Quality Improvements criteria. We might get one each. Congrats 🎉. I.Mahesh (talk) 11:40, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

yes! your articles are great! I was just looking and really impressive stuff! congrats!! Wheelygay (talk) 11:51, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

@I.Mahesh, It is a great effort indeed to have worked on many articles related to architecture from India. Kudos! Magentic Manifestations (talk) 15:14, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! You too have done amazing job with Geography related articles. I.Mahesh (talk) 15:46, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

It seems there is an error, I had thought in looking at the architecture submissions you had done 163 articles ''before'' the deadline. It seems to be 143 and Wheely did 149. I do have to be strict about the editing of articles within contest hours. So he did technically win. But it seems wrong somehow after all of your hard work to not get any of the prize money and an honest mistake with the time difference. Can you agree between yourselves on what you should each get out of £200? ♦ Dr. Blofeld 06:45, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

@Wheelygay:, can you come up with a compromise between yourselves? I will go live with the prize winners then. Wheely will have to be declared the winner and Mahesh 2nd Place but would suggest a prize share of £125 1st place and £75 2nd place. Wheely is getting £50 for the UK prize too, so £175 is very decent still.♦ Dr. Blofeld 07:30, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

Mahesh, I'm going to split the prize money £125-75 and state that there was a misunderstanding with timezone and that you did more articles, so you both won in a way, but I do have to be strict with articles needing to be done in contest hours. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:39, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you @Dr. Blofeld, I'll double-check the rules from upcoming contests and that was so generous of you @Wheelygay.. Cheers!! I.Mahesh (talk) 07:26, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for competing!

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