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November 2025

Hello, I'm Guliolopez. An edit that you recently made seemed to be generated using a large language model (an "AI chatbot" or other application using such technology). Text produced by these applications is usually unsuitable for an encyclopedia, and may contain factually inaccurate statements, fictitious citations, or other problems. You should instead read reliable sources and then summarize those in your own words. Your edit may have been reverted. If you want to practice editing, please use your sandbox. If you think a mistake was made, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Guliolopez (talk) 20:33, 6 November 2025 (UTC)

Hello, yes I used chat GPT to put my research and my words ... not theirs ... into "Wikispeak". Are you saying this cannot be accepted? If not can you suggest someone who will do that for me? I'm 80yrs old and not computer lit. I'm great at research but too old to learn computer language. Did you note the Tumblr references were replaced and that was acknowledged? I have read about and used reliable sources, especially after learning Tumblr is not accepted. Have I not summarised them into my own words? Have you read my sources? Are there any factually inaccurate statements or fictitious citations, or "other problems"? Thank-you and cheers, Clare Hcedwards (talk) 21:52, 6 November 2025 (UTC)

Dear Gulioguliolopeziolio, what a wonderful, wonderful name. I have submitted four Lota Houses for review, Lota House, Lota Lodge, Lotamor and Lotabeg. Perhaps you could look at the sources for all of them. No need to read the story, just read the sources and they will tell you the story. Please let me know if there are any "factually inaccurate statements" or "fictitious citations" or "other problems" and I will attend to them. Then Look at the quality of the sources of wikipedia's existing Lotabeg and Lotamor articles and see if there are any "factually inaccurate statements" in those articles. Cheers, Clare Hcedwards (talk) 01:33, 8 November 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Hcedwards. Thanks for the response. While you raise a few points/questions there, I'll just focus on what seem to be the two main ones:

• "I used chat GPT [..] Are you saying this cannot be accepted". As discussed in the guidance on using ChatGPT to parse references and generate content, using tools like this is only "accepted" when the AI-generated text is verified by the person using/adding it. In this case: You. This verification should include checks for "AI hallucinations". In the "Lota House" draft that you created, for example, not only did many of the references simply not exist (like the Irish Times url (404 error) and buildingsofireland.ie link ("critical error")), the references that did exist didn't support the text. (For example, none of the sources in the article supported the text which stated Lota House was "Built in the early nineteenth century by William Hastings Greene". All available sources date Lota House to the 18th century (not 19th) and state that it was built by Davis Ducart for Noblett Rogers (not William Hastings Greene).
• "Are there any factually inaccurate statements or fictitious citations". In short, yes. While I have attempted to address a number of clear factual inaccuracies and fictitious citations in the Lota House draft, as per the tags and notes I added, the Lota Lodge draft that you created still contains multiple errors of fact. Including the date of construction, the name of the architect, original and later owners, etc. It also contains multiple fictitious citations. Including the following URLs, none of which appear to exist: castles.nl (404 error), issuu.com ("can't seem to find the page"), irishpost.com ("page does not exist"), williamgrey101.wordpress.com ("doesn't exist"), etc. This is not normal/reasonable.
• "Perhaps you could look at the sources for all of [the drafts recently created]". While I have already reviewed and attempted to help with these drafts, in all honesty it is not entirely reasonable to expect other editors to undertake a large volume of basic checks of this type. While I (and others in the Wikipedia community) are willing to help others with their good faith attempts to expand/improve the project (and there is even a group of editors specifically focused on helping to address issues with AI-generated content), it isn't necessarily constructive to use ChatGPT to generate text - and then expect other editors to verify that AI-generated content doesn't contain clear/basic errors of fact.

Without putting too fine a point on it, I wonder if it would be more constructive to focus on quality over quantity. And perhaps, rather than attempting to use ChatGPT to create lower-quality articles on every old house in Tivoli/Lota (and expecting other editors to make sense of them), maybe focus on creating one higher-quality submission (and expand from there).

All the best. Guliolopez (talk) 01:42, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

Dear GuliolopezyHistoriolo Did you put the Henry Blackall source into Wikipedia Lotabeg and Lotamor? Congratulations to whoever did, now you're on track! Small beginnings. 5 citations in Wikipedia 2 days ago and now they've got 16! I'm very excited to see them. I see Lotamor now includes Galwey Castle but "incorrect" again. (see Landed estates: the castle was forfeited mid 1600s) (see Blackall: that's why Edward bought Lotabeg 1673 and built Lotabeg house there). Wiki needs to get it that The Galweys built Lotabeg and Lotamor in the 1670s and lived there for 200 years.

So here you are:- The Galweys who lived at Lotamore were: Patrick of Rocklands and Lota d.1699, Geoffrey grandfather of John of Carrick, William father of John of Carrick, John of Carrick d.1781, Edward son of John of Lota and Westcourt d.1812, John d.1840, Edward d.1844, William d.1865. Edward d.1873. (see my citations: Bennett p17 and Blackall vol 71 pp29-33)

Galweys of Lotabeg were: Edward d.1680, John d. 1711, William d.1734, John of Lota and Westcourt d.1793, Jane Galwey m. to Richard Kellett d. 1853, Jane's son William Henry Kellett d.1886. No room at Lotabeg or Lotamor for Robert Rogers or Daniel Callaghan or anyone else, 1676-1873.

Robert Rogers and his family were The Galweys' tenant farmers. They farmed the Lota land and lived at The Lodge until they left Lota in 1830 (see My Ffolliott genaeology) and sold their lease - of the LAND only - to John Courtney.

"In Cork 21st August 1766 it was reported that: "we have had for three market days past, oats sent in by Robert Rogers of Lota, for which it is remarkable ...... its quality is so extraordinary as to return him £1 6s per barrel" .. Dublin Courier 15th August 1677."

Now you know Lotabeg and Lotamor were chock-a-block full to the brim with Galweys from 1676 until 1873, I will give you the original "incorrect statements". Samuel Lewis says Daniel Callaghan lived at Lotabeg 1837, that Poole Hickman lived there 1850, and C.L.Bernard lived at Lotamor 1837. Griffiths says Lotamor was the family seat of Robert Rogers. Bence-Jones says Lotabeg (entailed) was built for Richard Kellett. Landed Estates says "The Rogers' estate includes Lota Park, Lota House, Lota Lodge and Lotamor! Ffolliott says Robert Rogers bequeathed Lota to his son George. Wickipedia said Lotamor was built by Robert Rogers (taken out yesterday, woohoo!) but still mistakenly says these people lived there ... Bernard, Hamilton, Hackett, Dunham, Cudmore and sold to Perriers. Wikipedia says Lotabeg was built for Kellet, Callaghan, Mahonys and Harts lived there. Perhaps all these people lived at The Lodge or Lota House.

May you enjoy many hours of happy reading dear Gulioliolio, and thank-you, cheers Clare Hcedwards (talk) 00:23, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

Dear Guliolopezinshinigarmour ...already rewritten Lota House! Fast work, thankyou. It's easy to plagiarise what others have written, but bad luck if what they wrote is not only 99% incorrect but also wicked and stupid!! I have been clever enough to see through the misrepresentations, and written correct information, as I have explained in my previous communications... which can't be said in a submission to wikipedia. I've presented Wikipedia with honest, honourable, respectful, correct statements in all of my articles, except for saying Greene (1746-1829) built Lota House post 1800 instead of pre-1800. Poof! This respect is more than Wikipedia has given me and my family. Please don't do what chat GPT would do if I left the research to them ... which is, pull up past people's misguided rubbish and make a pretty show of it. Let's put some feisty integrity and nobility back into Ireland's terrible and glorious past... and you will see as you become familiar with The Galwey story that it is indeed connected with a most terrible and glorious 800 years of Ireland's heritage. He who runs with this previously unrecorded aristocratic past will surely make a name for themselves.

Paragraph 1. take out Noblett Rogers, this is a treacherous and false statement. See my last two communications for explanation. 2. Lota House is built on The Lotamor half of The Lota Estate (Blackall 1969 42:18 from Lotamor's citations) owned by the Galwey Family from 1641 until 1873 (Blackall, 1969, 42:18, used for Lotamor article). Take out the other houses. 3.Take out Noblett Rogers. 4. Acc.to landed estates database, Robert Rogers leased the Lota LAND from 1694. His descendant left Lota about 1830 and handed the lease (of the LAND only) to John Courtney. In 1837 W.H. Greene OWNED Lota House but leased the LAND it was built on from John and William Galwey, on a sub-lease from John COURTNEY who DID NOT OWN LOTA HOUSE, he owned the lease of the land it was built on. When George A. Wood BOUGHT Lota House from Greene about 1857 he also had to lease the land it was built on from John and William Galwey, sub-let from John Courtney. (see Lotamor's citation 4)

Dear Sir Gulio, if you want to publish Lota House with integrity and correct statements, this is what it should look like ... otherwise don't publish at all, there'a already too much nonsense out there. See you round, Cheers Clare Hcedwards (talk) 04:09, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

Hello dear Gulio. I see the sites I quoted on The Lotabeg Auction page have been closed down. Sorry about that. The auction and Hart Family information is still available online on "The Cork House that Time Forgot" page. Don't worry, this will all be over soon. Was it you who wrote the changes to Lotabeg and Lotamor?

If you don't like my changes to the new Lota House, which is what I wrote in the first place, we can just remove all that. We can remove everything I've said that you don't like. But leave it out altogether, don't replace what I say with incorrect statements, and mistranslations. That's what chat GPT does. Then this is what we have ... "a lower quality article about an old house in Tivoli/Lota". Have you seen this old house in Tivoli/Lota? It's ugly but it's one of the main houses in Glanmire. This confuses Galwey descendants, they presume this big house is their family seat, which is why I'm writing these articles. What else is wikipedia for?

Robert A.Rogers was an MP, mayor of Cork, landowner, parents unknown in Bristol (Wikipedia), his son was David. Noblett Rogers belongs to Robert Rogers of Lota, farmer, born to Francis Rogers when Francis was 16. These have been confused.

This is what Lota Houses looks like without what I wrote and you changed.

"Lota House" - (which has to be called "Lota House Glanmire" to differentiate it from Lota House in Australia) - is a historic house overlooking The River Lee near Glanmire in co.Cork, Ireland.

Built by the architect Davis Ducart, the building is included in The Record of Protected Structures, maintained by The Cork City Council. The central block is a three storey nine bay structure with masonry coins and a carved cornice. A chapel was built alongside the main house in the 1960s.

The house was occupied by Col. William H. Greene in the 1830s and acquired in the 1940s by The Brothers of charity who continue to operate convalescent services from the site".

Think happy thoughts, cheers, clare Hcedwards (talk) 00:16, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

Dear Gulio Mac GuliolopezyFolio. Thank you yes this was the first time I'd ever written a URL, I don't really know what they mean or how they work. All my citations exist.I can send you a photograph of them, and believe me I know my sources, off by heart, but dammit I can't communicate with URLs. So Wikipedia isn't my field. Most of the citations Wikipedia approves of "contain factually inaccurate statements" anyway, which I have to avoid ... like Noblett Rogers ... factually inaccurate. Even wikipedia is factually inaccurate ... "Lotabeg built for Richard Kellett 1780" ... factually inaccurate... "Mahonys lived there, Callaghan lived there, Harts lived there" ... all factually inaccurate. "Evelyn Hart watched over the house contents" ... rubbish. That's why I have to write a factually accurate Lotabeg and Lotamor for Wikipedia, but if I can't do URLs Wikipedia will have to miss out. Lota House doesn't matter, chuck it in the bin. Wow!! Gulio, guess what? Guess what I've found while I was copying that Lotabeg stuff? Dear Gulio mac Guliolopezespecio, wikipedia has added MY citations since I submitted my Lotabeg brief !!! Let's see if they've done the same with Lotamor..., no, never mind, it's harder than Lotabeg. Read Lotabeg ... it's a beauty. No! Hang on.. yes yes! they've changed Lotamor ... they've taken out "Lotamor was built by Robert Rogers about 1800" ! I promise you. Thank you Gulio for being patient with me. I may be a dud at URLs but I have my citations in Lotabeg! and that pest Robert Rogers is OUT! This is a great day for the Irish. Hcedwards (talk) 10:45, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

Hi. I cannot, frankly, follow any of what you are stating there. (Possibly because you seem more intent on making fun of me and/or my chosen screenname than making/supporting your point. And calling my edits "wicked and stupid!!". Which seems far from constructive.) And your statement, that "wikipedia has added MY citations since I submitted my Lotabeg brief", simply seems to indicate a fundamental misunderstanding of how Wikipedia "works". If you have verifiable/references, please bring them to the relevant article talk pages for discussion. Noting that references must be published and verifiable. I have already opened a thread at Talk:Lota House (Ireland). Thanks. Guliolopez (talk) 15:18, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

dear Guliolopez.

I hear you ... and your recent edit of Lota House 13th Dec. 2025 is encouraging.

Published, verifiable sources:

ROSEMARY FFOLLIOTT JCHAS ... genaology of The Rogers Family.

BLACKALL JCHAS ... Galweys of Lota.

ALLNUTT'S Irish Land Schedule, Dublin 1st Sept, 1857... Details of W.K.Roger's lease auction 1857. (finmypast ie)

CORK CONSTITUTION 29th April 1856 ... resume of what was for auction 1857. (findmypast ie)

DUBLIN COURIER ...farm report 15th sept. 1766 ... Rogers farmers. (finmypast ie)

WIKIPEDIA ... differentiating Rogers of Lota from Robert A. Rogers.

LOTA HOUSE is a gentleman's residence, built only in agreement with THE GALWEY FAMILY ... on their PRIVATE Lotamor estate ... where THE GALWEYS lived until 1873.

Citations 2.6.7.10. say LOTA HOUSE was designed by Ducart and built in 1765 by ROBERT ROGERS for NOBLETT ROGERS.

Citation 1. says ... "a" house, designed by Ducart, was built in 1765 by ROBERT for NOBLETT on the Lota town lands.

Who was NOBLETT ROGERS? ... ROBERT ROGERS? ... What was their relationship with LOTA and THE GALWEY FAMILY?

ROBERT A. ROGERS, M.P.,Mayor of Cork, and landholder, one son, David... is NOT our ROBERT ROGERS, Lota's tenant farmer.

These are often confused but Wikipedia clarifies the difference ... entirely different families.

ROBERT and NOBLETT were cousins ... farmers ... both grandsons of the first "of Lota" ROBERT ROGERS (Ffolliott) ... who leased the Lota FARMLAND from THE GALWEYS in 1694 and who's family farmed the Lota land for 150 years. (Allnutts and Constitution).

That they were farmers is verified by this farm report 1766 (Dublin Courier) ...

DUBLIN COURIER, 15th August 1766 ..."We have had for three market days past, new oats sent in by Robert Rogers of Lota, for which it is remarkable, he used no seed, but what unavoidably was shed in saving the crop last season, and raised the present crop by tilling, lightly, the stubble of the former crop. Its quality is so extraordinary as to return him £1.6.shillings a barrel". (quoted by Piggott Gorrie Blog "Rogers of Lota" Jan 11 2021)

This 2nd ROBERT had no children so the Lota farming lease was inherited by his cousin NOBLETT (Ffolliott) ... grandfather of WILLIAM KISSANE ROGERS who sold the lease in 1857. (Allnutt's, Constitution)

Citiations 2.6.7.10 say ... "In 1765 ROBERT ROGERS ... the Lota farmer ... built LOTA HOUSE ... a large expensive gentleman's folly ... for his cousin NOBLETT ... also a farmer ... on their employer's PRIVATE Lotamor estate.

Not verified by Landed Estates or Ffolliott who would both jump at the chance to say NOBLETT ROGERS owned LOTA HOUSE and his family lived there for 80 years, if this were so. No notices in findmypast to verify this claim, no records of sale or lease of Lota House by The Rogers.

Citation 1. is sound ... ROBERT built "a" house for NOBLETT on the Lota town lands.

We have no verifiable claim that anyone built LOTA HOUSE in 1765, 18th century, designed by Ducart ... all of that doesn't apply to LOTA HOUSE.

Next time we can establish who did own LOTA HOUSE and how the land leases worked. Thank you for your kind attention, cheers, clare Hcedwards (talk) 09:16, 19 December 2025 (UTC)

Hi. There is, again, a lot there. If you wish to discuss sources (and how best to reflect them in the article), then you would ideally do so at Talk:Lota House (Ireland). Otherwise, in general terms, you seem to be:

• stating that there is "no verifiable claim that anyone built Lota House in 1765 [..] designed by Ducart". To that I would simply state that: Yes - there is. The sources reasonably support a short statement that "some sources suggest that the house was built c. 1765 by Ducart for the Rogers family". Because the existing:

• National Inventory of Architectural Heritage (PDF) source, titled "An Introduction to the Architectural Heritage of Cork City", expressly states on page 33 that "Lota House [..] Tivoli [..] (1765) [..] Davis Ducart designed this house for Noblett Rogers. It is one of a number of villas built along the river at Tivoli, Glanmire and Blackrock in the late eighteenth century".
• National Inventory of Architectural Heritage (WEB) source, titled "Brothers of Charity Southern Services, Lower Glanmire Road, Lotamore", expressly states that "Although the house has undergone alterations since its original design by Duckart, it retains its original Baroque porch and interior features [..was..] Built for Robert Rogers in 1765 [..and..] bought by the Brothers of Charity in 1943".
• Department of Housing and Heritage (WEB) source, titled "CO074-026---- : Country house : Lotamore", expressly states that it was "built 1765 to design of Davis Duckart [..] Now owned by Brothers of Charity".

(These all, very clearly [and even notwithstanding the maps, NIAH and RMP identifiers used in each], refer to the house which is the subject of the article. The one now occupied by the Brothers of Charity. With the later chapel, "built c.1965, incorporating part of west wing of Lota House" now alongside.)

• implying that, unless/until we can establish the nature of the relationship between the Galweys (as owners of the land) and the Rogers family (as lessors/sub-lessors and owners of the house) and/or the relationship between Noblett and Robert Rogers (as relatives or whatever), then we cannot mention the Rogers family at all. To this I would simply state: Yes - we can. Multiple sources mention the Rogers family. And association the house and its construction to them. Just because we don't have a lease agreement or a birth cert or other sources (establishing other/unrelated facts), doesn't mean that we can't reflect what the available source actually do state/support.

In the meantime you might also wish to read WP:CONFLICTINGSOURCES. And, perhaps, more on how leasehold and freehold works under common law in Ireland and the UK. (Including that, even if you don't own the land, you may still [depending on the type of leasehold] own a house built on that land. Which is still a "thing" under Irish law.)

Bye. Guliolopez (talk) 13:46, 19 December 2025 (UTC)

Dear Guliolopez

W.H.Greene was a relation of The Galweys via The Butlers of Ormonde. The Rogers were not related to The Galweys, they were the Galweys' tenant farmers. Landed Estates and FFoliott agree Noblett Rogers, the Galweys farmer, did NOT own LOTA HOUSE... Landed Estates and Ffolliott do not agree with the national inventory, or the Brothers of charity, who are just people writing an article and making a picture book. You asked for verifiable sources ... all mine are, but the inventory and the brothers of charity are not. They are just chit-chat. Anyone can lease their land to someone else who builds their own house on it. (that is my field, writing and history are not my field) But the landowner will choose who he leases his land to. That's why the Galwey ownership of this land and who they choose to have there, is part of the LOTA HOUSE story. As I said I will send a verifiable account of the Lota House owners when we get clear about The Rogers. thank you for your attention, cheers, clare Hcedwards (talk) 14:48, 19 December 2025 (UTC)

Hi. Please take any references you have to Talk:Lota House (Ireland). In the meantime I (flatly) do not agree with the characterisation of the existing sources (including the National Inventory of Architectural Heritage / National Built Heritage Service) as "just chit-chat". And do not understand (at all) what change you are actually proposing to make, why you wish to make it and what sources you are relying upon for those changes. Guliolopez (talk) 16:01, 19 December 2025 (UTC)

Hi Gulio, you put me off chat GPT but I went back to them and they have shown me you are restricted by Wikipedia's limitations. I'm sorry. I thought it was you personally not being up to the task but now thanks to Chat GPT I realise you can't go past Wikipedia's limitations and in this case it's Wikipedia that's too narrow for my subject and should be my last port of call. All the best and thank-you for your perseverance, from Clare Hcedwards (talk) 02:35, 22 December 2025 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Lota Lodge (Glanmire) (November 20)

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Hello, thank you for your communication. I do not wish to proceed with the Lota House article. But please see the articles about Lotabeg on wikipedia - Lotabeg.com.

Kind regards, Clare Edwards ~2026-24984-67 (talk) 03:10, 24 April 2026 (UTC)

reference to Lota House on wikipedia. the Lotabeg article is on Google Lotabeg.co. regards, Clare Edwards ~2026-24984-67 (talk) 03:15, 24 April 2026 (UTC)

Hello, Please refer to https://lotabeg.com/to find the reliable sources for all of the Lota houses. Cheers clare Hcedwards (talk) 05:58, 13 May 2026 (UTC)

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