User talk:Fenix down/Archive 20
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Rationale (or absence thereof) for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marcel Rewenig
You closed this discussion as "keep", without comment, despite multiple people highlighting that the subject did not (and still does not, despite furious protestations that the subject is "notable") meet the actual inclusion criteria (which is and always has been WP:GNG, as NSPORTS itself clearly says). Care to explain the reasoning behind your close? It seems clear to me that WP:NOTAVOTE should have been taken into consideration and there are a fair few comments which are essentially nothing more than "Keep - passes NFOOTY" which do not address the the concerns about the lack of GNG. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 16:37, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
- I must admit, looking back over the AfD, the closure of just "keep" without any closing rationale was perhaps questionable, especially as the discussion was still very much ongoing right up to the point of closure. I did make a comment in the AfD and although I have further expanded the article just now, i'd think that the closure should maybe be reviewed and further time afforded for debate by way of a relist. I don't take any side on this debate in particular (despite expanding the article), but I can understand the concerns raised by BilledMammal and RandomCanadian respectively. Bungle (talk • contribs) 14:20, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
Marcel Rewenig AFD
Hi Fenix down,
Would you be willing to consider reversing your close of the Marcel Rewenig AFD and instead relisting it? I understand that there are significantly more editors supporting "keep" than "delete", but consensus is based on weight of arguments, not the number of votes, and as their arguments were solely on the basis of WP:NSPORT, which states that the article must still eventually provide sources indicating that the subject meets the general notability guideline
I would consider the weight of arguments to be comparable. BilledMammal (talk) 16:35, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
- Apologies Fenix, it appears RandomCanadian and I thought to contact you about this at the same time, resulting in the duplicate discussions. BilledMammal (talk) 16:46, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
- You asked me to do this exact same thing (revert closure and relist) when you didn't agree with my closure of an AFD, BilledMammal. I thought it was about the closure in that particular AFD but maybe this is your standard response when you disagree with a closure. My closure seemed obvious to me but I accommodated your request. Now? I don't know if I did the right thing. Liz Read! Talk! 03:27, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Liz: these are the only two times I have asked for an AFD to be relisted, out of 194 AFD's that I have participated in. It isn't my standard response. BilledMammal (talk) 04:08, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
- You asked me to do this exact same thing (revert closure and relist) when you didn't agree with my closure of an AFD, BilledMammal. I thought it was about the closure in that particular AFD but maybe this is your standard response when you disagree with a closure. My closure seemed obvious to me but I accommodated your request. Now? I don't know if I did the right thing. Liz Read! Talk! 03:27, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
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Filip Borowski
Hello there! Would it be possible to recreate/bring back the article for Filip Borowski? It was previously deleted due to not meeting the relevancy requirements, but since then the player has appeared in I liga, therefore meeting the criteria. Take care! KibolLP - 21:02, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
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Marcel Rewenig AFD
Following up on User talk:Fenix down/Archive 20#Rationale (or absence thereof) for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marcel Rewenig, I think relisting would be particularly beneficial given WP:NFOOTY, the sole reason support 'keep', no longer exists. BilledMammal (talk) 01:46, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry, forgot to respond on this until now. Given the overwhelming consensus in this AfD I don't think relisting would be beneficial and may well end up in just a big old mess. I'm not saying that because I think that the article should necessarily be kept, but it may end up being difficult to articulate a valid consensus.
- Additionally the article has had further sources added to it since the AfD was closed so arguments now we would be discussing something materially different than before.
- I think it might also look a bit pointy to renominate so soon after as well. In this instance it is probably best just to leave it and revisit in a few months again if you think it is worth it. This is a player with a significant number of caps and some degree of significant coverage even though he played a long time ago, so not really an open and shut case. Fenix down (talk) 00:45, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- I would disagree there is an overwhelming consensus; an overwhelming number of votes, yes, but that is not the same thing - the reason for the vote was extremely weak previously, as significant coverage was required to be demonstrated and was not, and now has no weight. In any case, relisting isn't a big issue; at worst, we spend a little more time discussing the issue.
- And can you explain why it would be WP:POINTy? I don't think that would apply, as I believe the article should be deleted, rather than nominating it to prove a point. However, if you believe that a quick re-nomination would be an issue then I believe that supports the idea that a relist would be appropriate. BilledMammal (talk) 01:01, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry I think I have made my view clear. Fenix down (talk) 23:57, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeff Campbell (footballer)
At Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeff Campbell (footballer) you relisted? Seems unnecessary after the article was improved and 9 consecutive keep votes in the previous 4 days. Even the nominator tried to close the AFD as Keep after only 48-hours. Can you close this? Nfitz (talk) 18:07, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- No, AfD is not a vote, the strength of the keep votes was terrible from a large number of editors, though not all, prior to the relisting. It certainly looks like there are grounds for GNG, but editors need to focus on that and not number of caps or anything that would have done per NFOOTBALL previously. It looks like we are having a more focused conversation on sources which to me feels like more of a keep consensus, but we will see. Fenix down (talk) 18:36, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- The focus was on adding references - some meeting GNG. No less than 27 references were added since the AFD. Yes, there were comments about the number of caps in the AFD - not because that turns it into a keep; but because it's inconceivable that an All-Whites player with that many caps over a decade would not have received GNG coverage. How many of those 27 new references did you review? But it's all moot now, as it's been closed again by someone else. Nfitz (talk) 06:34, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Or not - I came across this after my comment. WP:AN#Football-related AFDs. What a mess. I also came across the other two AFDs you relisted ... I'm not agreeing on those either - though they aren't as concerning as this one, given the 27 references that were added to this one! Nfitz (talk) 07:32, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- And now someone has sent it to DRV - WP:Deletion_review/Log/2022 April 24#Jeff Campbell (footballer). Which seems unnecessary to me, unlike the other two. Nfitz (talk) 16:57, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- The focus was on adding references - some meeting GNG. No less than 27 references were added since the AFD. Yes, there were comments about the number of caps in the AFD - not because that turns it into a keep; but because it's inconceivable that an All-Whites player with that many caps over a decade would not have received GNG coverage. How many of those 27 new references did you review? But it's all moot now, as it's been closed again by someone else. Nfitz (talk) 06:34, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
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Don't be dumb, says math whiz: avoid the gambler's fallacy. Illustrated for your pleasure.
- Recent research: Wikipedia versus academia (again), tables' "immortality" probed
Tables "like to socialize" and "share genes": ooh la la!
- Serendipity: Was she really a Swiss lesbian automobile racer?
What's the deal with Anita Forrer, redlinked woman of mystery who saved Schwarzenbach archives?
- News from the WMF: Wikimedia Enterprise signs first deals
Google and Internet Archive sold on new product, more customers hoped to follow.
- Traffic report: Top view counts for shows, movies, and celeb lawsuit that keeps on giving
Plus editing stampedes for cheery subjects: shootings, deaths, and virus.
- Gallery: Celebration of summer, winter
Lest Southern Hemisphere be forgotten.
- Humour: Shortcuts, screwballers, Simon & Garfunkel
Can we offer you a nice crossword in this trying time?
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Happy First Edit Day!
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Happy First Edit Day!
Have a very happy first edit anniversary!
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Administrators' newsletter – July 2022
News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2022).
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Technical news
user_global_editcountis a new variable that can be used in abuse filters to avoid affecting globally active users. (T130439)
Arbitration
- An arbitration case regarding conduct in deletion-related editing has been opened.
Miscellaneous
- The New Pages Patrol queue has around 10,000 articles to be reviewed. As all administrators have the patrol right, please consider helping out. The queue is here. For further information on the state of the project, see the latest NPP newsletter.
GAR notice
Madagascar women's national football team has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 16:22, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Nomination of Jehn Joyner for deletion
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jehn Joyner until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.
The Signpost: 1 August 2022
- From the editors: Rise of the machines, or something
The future of stuff? Who knows, but two articles were written by a computer this month.
- News and notes: Information considered harmful
Wikipedia and human rights, publishers and the Internet Archive, Russia and Wikipedia.
- In the media: Censorship, medieval hoaxes, "pathetic supervillains", FB-WMF AI TL bid, dirty duchess deeds done dirt cheap
Real news or silly season?
- Op-Ed: The "recession" affair
IGNORANCE IS NOT STRENGTH.
- Eyewitness Wikimedian, Vinnytsia, Ukraine: War diary (part 3)
"This year's victory was sad and dull."
- Election guide: The chosen six: 2022 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees elections
Candidate op-eds, open question spaces, and more.
- Community view: Youth culture and notability
Was Minecraft YouTuber a GNG pass in life, or only in death?
- Opinion: Criminals among us
Mass murderers, sex criminals, Ponzi schemers, insider traders, and business people.
- Arbitration report: Winds of change blow for cyclone editors, deletion dustup draws toward denouement
The last three months of arbitration through the eyes of a GPT-3
- Deletion report: This is Gonzo Country
GPT-3 whips it out.
- Discussion report: Notability for train stations, notices for mobile editors, noticeboards for the rest of us
And when is 'today'?
- Traffic report: US TV, JP ex-PM, outer space, and politics of IN, US, UK top charts for July
The world shows its messy complexity.
- Featured content: A little list with surprisingly few lists
More lists expected next month.
- Tips and tricks: Cleaning up awful citations with Citation bot
It doesn't have to be a pain in the butt!
- In focus: Wikidata insights from a handy little tool
PAC2 explains the item documentation template.
- On the bright side: Ukrainian Wikimedians during the war — three (more) stories
Education, climate change, and journalism.
- Essay: How to research an image
Zoom and enhance.
- Recent research: A century of rulemaking on Wikipedia analyzed
And other new research findings.
- Serendipity: Don't cite Wikipedia
But Commons is a treasure trove.
- Gallery: A backstage pass
All the things about theatre that the general public misses out on.
- From the archives: 2012 Russian Wikipedia shutdown as it happened
Ten years ago, Russian Wikipedia went dark in protest of new Russian laws. Today...
- Humour: Why did the chicken cross the road?
Strange mysteries of our animal world.
Administrators' newsletter – August 2022
News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2022).
Administrator changes
Guideline and policy news
- An RfC has been closed with consensus to add javascript that will show edit notices for editors editing via a mobile device. This only works for users using a mobile browser, so iOS app editors will still not be able to see edit notices.
- An RfC has been closed with the consensus that train stations are not inherently notable.
Technical news
- The Wikimania 2022 Hackathon will take place virtually from 11 August to 14 August.
- Administrators will now see links on user pages for "Change block" and "Unblock user" instead of just "Block user" if the user is already blocked. (T308570)
Arbitration
- The arbitration case request Geschichte has been automatically closed after a 3 month suspension of the case.
Miscellaneous
- You can vote for candidates in the 2022 Board of Trustees elections from 16 August to 30 August. Two community elected seats are up for election.
- Wikimania 2022 is taking place virtually from 11 August to 14 August. The schedule for wikimania is listed here. There are also a number of in-person events associated with Wikimania around the world.
- Tech tip: When revision-deleting on desktop, hold ⇧ Shift between clicking two checkboxes to select every box in that range.
Nomination of Charitha Rathnayake for deletion
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charitha Rathnayake until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.
The Signpost: 31 August 2022
- News and notes: Admins wanted on English Wikipedia, IP editors not wanted on Farsi Wiki, donations wanted everywhere
jimmy@wikipedia.org donate@wikimedia.org (not a typo?) wants a moment of your time.
- Special report: Wikimania 2022: no show, no show up?
Why the 'Festival Edition' was less than perfect, and what we can do better.
- In the media: Truth or consequences? A tough month for truth
But Annie Rauwerda is the real thing!
- Discussion report: Boarding the Trustees
2022 elections, new page patrol, Fox News, Vector 2022, Royal Central and external links
- News from Wiki Education: 18 years a Wikipedian: what it means to me
Change and stability.
- In focus: Thinking inside the box
All there is to know about userboxen.
- Tips and tricks: The unexpected rabbit hole of typo fixing in citations...
Sometimes Citation bot is not enough.
- Technology report: Vector (2022) deployment discussions happening now
Plus, the Private Incident Reporting System, and new bots & user scripts!
- Serendipity: Two photos of every library on earth
One exterior, one interior.
- Featured content: Our man drills are safe for work, but our Labia is Fausta.
Also includes a campaign to "Suck for Luck".
- Recent research: The dollar value of "official" external links
And other new research
- Traffic report: What dreams (and heavily trafficked articles) may come
Because there really is no real theme this month you can grab onto to give a catchy title.
- Essay: Delete the junk!
Some articles aren't worth saving
- Gallery: A Fringe Affair (but not the show by Edward W. Feery that was on this year)
Edinburgh in August.
- Humour: CommonsComix No. 1
Because the Signpost needs a cartoon.
- From the archives: 5, 10, and 15 years ago
The Signpost looks back on The Signpost: New reports, conceived in a spirit of collaboration, and dedicated to the proposition of information and, uh, more information for all.
Administrators' newsletter – September 2022
News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2022).
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Guideline and policy news
- A discussion is open to define a process by which Vector 2022 can be made the default for all users.
- An RfC is open to gain consensus on whether Fox News is reliable for science and politics.
Technical news
- The impact report on the effects of disabling IP editing on the Persian (Farsi) Wikipedia has been released.
- The WMF is looking into making a Private Incident Reporting System (PIRS) system to improve the reporting of harmful incidents through easier and safer reporting. You can leave comments on the talk page by answering the questions provided. Users who have faced harmful situations are also invited to join a PIRS interview to share the experience. To sign up please email Madalina Ana.
Arbitration
- An arbitration case regarding Conduct in deletion-related editing has been closed. The Arbitration Committee passed a remedy as part of the final decision to create a request for comment (RfC) on how to handle mass nominations at Articles for Deletion (AfD).
- The arbitration case request Jonathunder has been automatically closed after a 6 month suspension of the case.
Miscellaneous
- The new pages patrol (NPP) team has prepared an appeal to the Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) for assistance with addressing Page Curation bugs and requested features. You are encouraged to read the open letter before it is sent, and if you support it, consider signing it. It is not a discussion, just a signature will suffice.
- Voting for candidates for the Wikimedia Board of Trustees is open until 6 September.
The Signpost: 30 September 2022
- News and notes: Board vote results, bot's big GET, crat chat gives new mop, WMF seeks "sound logo" and "organizer lab"
Candidates sign off and peel out – Sigalov is on and Peel is in.
- In focus: NPP: Still heaven or hell for new users – and for the reviewers
Just what is NPP? Why does it need the WMF? Why does it need YOU?
- In the media: A few complaints and mild disagreements
Was Katherine Maher a former encyclopedia salesperson?
- Special report: Decentralized Fundraising, Centralized Distribution
The latest from the Wikimedia Deutschland Movement Strategy & Global Relations Team.
- Discussion report: Much ado about Fox News
Source reliability, NPP, and appearance discussions.
- Interview: ScottishFinnishRadish's Request for Adminship
Find out firsthand what our newest admin, ScottishFinnishRadish, does with a chainsaw.
- Opinion: Are we ever going to reach consensus?
Some Articles for Deletion just drag on.
- Serendipity: Removing watermarks, copyright signs and cigarettes from photos
Suggestion: promote removal of visible copyright signs of images under a CC-BY license.
- Recent research: How readers assess Wikipedia's trustworthiness, and how they could in the future
And other research news.
- Traffic report: Kings and queens and VIPs
Repeat after me: I solemnly swear not to put "oh my!" in a headline.
- Featured content: Farm-fresh content
This month: A FACBot upgrade, a completed list of lists.
- CommonsComix: CommonsComix 2: Paulus Moreelse
When Commons gives you a blank space...
- From the archives: 5, 10, and 15 Years ago: September 2022
Yes, again.