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Help Needed for Madison West High School page
Hello EvergreenFir,
I need help to resolve an editing war on Madison West High School page from Etzedek24.
Parts of Etzedek24's claim of NPOV violations would be true, but deleting my entire expansion is over-editing and is disruptive. Then he claimed that I could face potential bans if I reverted the editing. So I have reverted the school's current page to your last edited version.
For more details of the situation, you may see my report to the Adminstatior Notice Board: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Reporting_editor,_Etzedek24's_Disruptive_Editing_and_Mass_Deletion_of_Madison_West_High_School_article
I appreciate your time and energy.
Thank you,
Feather943 (talk) 02:49, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- Update: The issue has been resolved. But I thank you once more. Feather943 (talk) 04:44, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
Hey, you!
Stop reverting my edits! Don't you know I listed off every opening and short interstitial segment in the Animaniacs episode list? 2605:8D80:5B40:C51F:6DCD:DC3:C1F4:94A1 (talk) 21:27, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- I do know and it's excessive detail (WP:FANCRUFT) that is not appropriate for an encyclopedia. Please see MOS:TV for more detail on what is expected in these episode tables. EvergreenFir (talk) 21:43, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- If you create a Miraheze account for me and tell the Meta administrators to globally unlock my first three Miraheze accounts (Khalfi2008, Anon1017, and DogManFan2025), you'll let me edit the Animaniacs episode list again. 2605:8D80:5B40:C51F:6DCD:DC3:C1F4:94A1 (talk) 22:46, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- I have nothing to do with Miraheze EvergreenFir (talk) 23:19, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- Aw, come on! Three Miraheze accounts are enough, y'know? Just create a Miraheze account already and ask the meta administrators to vanish all of my sockpuppet accounts, except for my first three accounts, Khalfi2008, Anon2017, and DogManFan2025, which would be all globally unlocked! 2605:8D80:5723:3215:F0D5:38C2:4AE2:2475 (talk) 02:27, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
- I have nothing to do with Miraheze EvergreenFir (talk) 23:19, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- If you create a Miraheze account for me and tell the Meta administrators to globally unlock my first three Miraheze accounts (Khalfi2008, Anon1017, and DogManFan2025), you'll let me edit the Animaniacs episode list again. 2605:8D80:5B40:C51F:6DCD:DC3:C1F4:94A1 (talk) 22:46, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
LTA animated show IPs
Coming to you regarding this seeing that you previously blocked 115.135.0.0/18 for a year in October. I've just reported another of these LTA ranges at AIV, 110.159.64.0/18. Just wanted to ask if you know of any case page for this at Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/List... I know I've dealt with this kind of LTA vandalism for several years, at articles such as The Casagrandes and It's Pony. I've also just had to revert List of Abby Hatcher episodes back a bit because of more LTA IP(s) of this kind. And maybe if there isn't a case page for this as of yet- maybe one should be started?... Magitroopa (talk) 04:04, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- unfortunately no, I don't know if any LTA or SPI related to this user. I wonder if Ponyo might know anything? EvergreenFir (talk) 04:58, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry, there are a number of sockmasters in the children's television realm and I don't know who these Malaysian IPs belong to specifically.-- Ponyobons mots 16:52, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- Well if there isn't one I'm unaware of, it would likely be a good idea to create one. Would make reporting future IPs/ranges at AIV a million times easier. As far as I can recall, I've been seeing these LTA vandalism edits since maybe sometime around 2019-2021?... to see that it's still ongoing, should hopefully give a sense of how widespread this is. I've just had to revert Abby Hatcher back as that vandalism has been on the article since October 2024, and even with the IP range blocked a few days later, no one ever reverted it back until now.
- Just for a sampling of IPs I'm able to find right now (hahaha, why do I do this to myself?...):
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- ...and I'm sure many others I'm missing. Based on the last three IPs I've listed, it looks like their current primary range is at 110.159.64.0/18, which it was already given a 3-month range block in March 2022 as they appear to have already been using the range then for this same LTA/vandalism (see 110.159.103.148).
- As for the LTA's usual behavior/tendencies, I would say that they usually target articles of/related to animated shows, as well as associated 'List of episodes' articles, typically massively MOS:OVERLINKing names/common words throughout articles (resulting in dozens of red links and disambiguation links being added), changing episode/season table colors from code to plain word (EX: changing '#FF5F5F' to 'red'), inaccurately changing episode titles and airdates to false information, as well as inaccurately changing dates/URLs/titles of citations (EX:
- {{cite web|url=http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-2-8-2020.html|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20200212071229/http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-2-8-2020.html|url-status=dead|archive-date=February 12, 2020|title=Top 150 Saturday Cable Originals & Network Finals: 2.8.2020|author=Mitch Metcalf|author-link=Mitch Metcalf|work=[[Showbuzz Daily]]|date=February 11, 2020|access-date=February 11, 2020}}
- to
- {{cite web|url=http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-thursday-cable-originals-network-finals-2-6-2020.html|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20200207071229/http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-thursday-cable-originals-network-finals-2-6-2020.html|url-status=dead|archive-date=February 7, 2020|title=Top 150 Thursday Cable Originals & Network Finals: 2.6.2020|author=Mitch Metcalf|author-link=Mitch Metcalf|work=[[Showbuzz Daily]]|date=February 6, 2020|access-date=February 7, 2020}}).
- Any help with all of this would definitely be greatly appreciated (although I wish I had though of having an LTA case page for this earlier on as opposed to just reverting and labelling as 'LTA' in my edit summaries... *sigh*). Magitroopa (talk) 07:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- Has there been an ArbCom sanction on children's shows on the grounds of rampant vandalism? Blake Gripling (talk) 07:41, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- This would honestly just be prohibitive to do, imho. wizzito | say hello! 22:44, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
- I believed I profiled this Malaysian LTA when I was still keeping my sock drawer up at User:Wizzito/sock drawer#Malaysian vandal. They've been at this for a good while now. wizzito | say hello! 22:43, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
More Son of Zorn
Needs at least some mass reverting:
- 66.214.158.109 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) - 6/10
- 99.47.2.33 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) - 6/11
- 32.141.206.38 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) - 6/21
- 63.125.113.82 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) - 6/24
- 68.74.156.58 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) - 6/25
wizzito | say hello! 23:09, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
- @wizzito I blocked the most recent one. The 3rd and 4th one do not geolocate to SoZ's usual place so I'm leaving those. The first two are old, but I reverted some edits EvergreenFir (talk) 04:21, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
Just because I am an IP editor does not give you the right to ignore my request to not be templated
It also does not give you the right to remove a valid RFC and jumping to a level 3 warning is just hostile behavior outright. 135.180.128.228 (talk) 04:35, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- Read WP:RFCNEUTRAL. Level 3 is appropriate for a bad faith editor who clearly knows Wikipedia well EvergreenFir (talk) 04:39, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- @EvergreenFir "I am creating this RFC in an attempt to overturn Donald Trump's previous RFC that ended with the result that he was far right. This thread and many others like it warrant another RFC as there is a clear sizeable minority that does not believe the far right label is correct." This is what I have right now and is what I will publish if there is no dispute. Does this look WP:RFCNEUTRAL? 135.180.128.228 (talk) 04:43, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- Better than the previous one but unless you have something new to add (a new source for example), trying to open another RfC just to get a different result isn't appropriate. Please see the FAQ at the top of Talk:Donald Trump EvergreenFir (talk) 04:47, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- @EvergreenFir I published the edit, I currently have 4 sources. Please wait for me to add them. 135.180.128.228 (talk) 04:48, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- Okay. I'll not revert given that you've made an ostensible good faith effort. EvergreenFir (talk) 04:50, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you EvergreenFir. I've come up with 6 sources now from reliable sources that say Donald Trump is not far right or a fascist. 135.180.128.228 (talk) 04:52, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- @EvergreenFir "I am creating this RFC in an attempt to overturn Donald Trump's previous RFC that ended with the result that he was far right. This thread and many others like it warrant another RFC as there is a clear sizeable minority that does not believe the far right label is correct." This is what I have right now and is what I will publish if there is no dispute. Does this look WP:RFCNEUTRAL? 135.180.128.228 (talk) 04:43, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
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Sorry, I think we edit conflicted on this block.-- Ponyobons mots 20:56, 18 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Ponyo Great minds and all that! :) EvergreenFir (talk) 20:57, 18 July 2025 (UTC)
- I would have won the race if I'd been able to resist the impulse to leave such a detailed block rationale! -- Ponyobons mots 20:59, 18 July 2025 (UTC)
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Hello Admin EvergreenFir, Santy Sharma Subject's affiliation with a digital PR company
I would like to bring to your attention a potential case of undisclosed paid editing on the Wikipedia article Santy Sharma.
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Santy Sharma
Kindly Review this ( Mentioned Detailed in Deletion Section )
If am wrong at some point please do let me know.
Thank you for your time.
Novaclia 🌀 Novaclia (talk) 17:18, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Novaclia I would recommend just letting the nomination for deletion resolve. You can file a report on WP:COIN if you would like so that other can review it as well. EvergreenFir (talk) 17:20, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
You may remember this editor
Talk:Leo Frank#Request for Comment on how to phrase Leo Frank's conviction Doug Weller talk 18:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Doug Weller My memory is quite poor when it comes to people/editors. I admittedly had forgotten this user, but seeing their edit history I quickly remembered and my blood pressure rose a bit. I guess poor-memory-induced ignorance is bliss I suppose. EvergreenFir (talk) 19:53, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- lol. Anyway, I blocked them as NOTHERE. I expect them to sock. Doug Weller talk 20:59, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
Likely block evasion with IP 103.214.20.180
Hi, EvergreenFir! I believe this is another one of those block evading IPs that randomly mass add categories to articles, which you have dealt with and reverted before yourself plenty of times. If you could have a look when you have a chance. Thanks! Amaury • 08:17, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- See also 103.214.20.198, which is more than likely the same person. Amaury • 08:22, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Amaury looks like Slakr to care of it :) EvergreenFir (talk) 16:06, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
FYI, I've just had to revert multiple edits from this range- either unsourced, or just entirely incorrect edits. There may be more, so might want to check that out/keep an eye out on this range, as this follows their recent 48 hour block last week for addition of unsourced content. Thanks. Magitroopa (talk) 16:52, 7 August 2025 (UTC)
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The other editor User talk:Finnashz keeps on reverting it without any reason. the account created is 1 moth back and is engaging in islamic religious push in wikipedia. why dont you give me warning nor correct him ? AarkkumUpadramAlla (talk) 23:00, 7 August 2025 (UTC)
- It doesn't matter if the other account is 1 day old or Jimmy Wales himself. You need to stop edit warring. Other users are warning Finnashz about socking and edit warring. EvergreenFir (talk) 23:08, 7 August 2025 (UTC)
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Son of Zorn again?
Do you think 172.56.233.58 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) is a Zorn sock? The location matches up (Southern California) and so do the edits (categories). There have also been multiple T-Mobile IPs blocked as Zorn socks lately. However, some of the edits being on articles for non-animated shows (e.g. this one) is throwing me for a loop. wizzito | say hello! 07:21, 10 September 2025 (UTC)
- @Wizzito sure looks like it! EvergreenFir (talk) 16:15, 10 September 2025 (UTC)
- So why no block/revert yet? wizzito | say hello! 20:50, 10 September 2025 (UTC)
Kirk shooting suspect
I assumed that calling a BLP who hasn't been charged yet the perpetrator would be a violation of BLP, that BLP applied to talk pages, and that we should redact BLP violations. Please correct me if I am wrong on any of that. Thanks, QuicoleJR (talk) 17:29, 12 September 2025 (UTC)
- Perpetrator (name) is definitely a BLP violation. Suspect (name) is less so. Suspect or perpetrator alone isn't, so I know what I'd choose. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:31, 12 September 2025 (UTC)
- IMO, mentioning the name on the talk page along with RS is not in violation of BLP at this point. Calling him a perpetrator would be, but on a talk page there is leeway in terms of labels that are used in good faith. Once he's charged, we can move past this. EvergreenFir (talk) 18:05, 12 September 2025 (UTC)
- Understood. Thank you both for the responses. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:08, 12 September 2025 (UTC)
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Can we protect My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic, etc. under pending changes protection (allow=reviewers only) to allow IP editing but prevent socks from vandalizing it? I'm not sure if this was done before, but it might work. Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 23:24, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
Hello
Good morning. May I ask why you reverted my edit on the forum where I was responding to a comment directed at me? Solaire the knight (talk) 06:47, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
- @Solaire the knight 100% a misclick. Sorry about that! EvergreenFir (talk) 06:49, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
Thanks
I just want to thank you for blocking the IP sockpuppet who was harassing me. 98.235.155.81 (talk) 21:37, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
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Hello, I'm writing this from the guest account of the University of Maryland's wifi. I apologize for vandalism done on this account. My communications professor wanted to show how he thought wikipedia was an unreliable source by doing a bunch of vandalism on communication research related articles in class. I'm sorry you had to deal with it and I hope it did not cause you too much trouble. 129.2.89.109 (talk) 17:15, 27 September 2025 (UTC)
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Greetings. Can you please warn this user for vandalising Mr. Bean: The Animated Series and its episode page? This one annoyed me all the time. Poopdecktheoverlord 171.250.120.101 (talk) 23:50, 2 October 2025 (UTC)
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Can the 45.62.186.140 IP have TPA revoked? Babysharkb☩ss2 I am Thou, Thou art I 17:09, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Babysharkboss2 done. thanks for alerting me EvergreenFir (talk) 17:10, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- No problem. Babysharkb☩ss2 I am Thou, Thou art I 17:11, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
October 12, 2025
Evergreen Fir I have no idea why you think I'm causing "vandalism" on a Wikipedia page because all I was doing was adding this that I know about the topic that's not on the page which isn't vandalism in my books, and to be honest "Protecting" the page because of two accounts adding and removing trivia on this topic is just an overreaction for me at least. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:881:8482:6CF0:240C:513A:1C1E:E2A6 (talk) 21:31, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
Would you mind page blocking an IP range?
Hello Evergreen Fir,
Recently the ANI thread which I opened up on an abusive IP editor was closed because the page was protected, however literally 3 hours later after the IP vandalized again, which was thankfully reverted by Lynch44. I think a page block from the Niccolò Machiavelli is necessary, as even with pending changes, the IP range is still being disruptive. Thanks. Plasticwonder (talk) 21:53, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Plasticwonder I only see two edits from the most recent IP user. That doesn't quite seem like enough to warrant a partial block. The edits themselves are disruptive but not egregiously offensive. I think just keeping the pending changes should be enough for now. If the user escalates their behavior, I would recommend reporting to WP:AIV or WP:ANI. EvergreenFir (talk) 21:59, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for the advice! Will do. :) Plasticwonder (talk) 22:00, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
2A00:23C6:F517:5E01:0:0:0:0/64
Hi EvergreenFir. You recently blocked this IP Special:Contributions/2A00:23C6:F517:5E01:0:0:0:0/64. Based on their edits at Post-war consensus (identical to previous socks) and numerous celebrities, this is actually a sock of HarveyCarter, and the block ought to be indefinite. Cambial — foliar❧ 17:45, 15 October 2025 (UTC)
- Hello Cambial Yellowing! We do not indefinitely block IPs because it is very unlikely that the user will hold that IP indefinitely. I am happy to extend the block on the /64 range though. EvergreenFir (talk) 18:03, 15 October 2025 (UTC)
Regarding User:Trainsfan13 and User:2601:188:C405:F440:6D3B:D814:C719:8C30
@Mfield, I see that both users have been blocked, I had been following this for a while now. In the future, should I have stayed out of this, reported them? Like what is the proper action here. – LuniZunie ツ(talk) 19:21, 15 October 2025 (UTC)
- Depends, but giving both warnings or messages to stop would be appropriate and, if they continue, to report them to ANI. At least that's my opinion. EvergreenFir (talk) 19:23, 15 October 2025 (UTC)
- Got it, thanks! – LuniZunie ツ(talk) 19:25, 15 October 2025 (UTC)
- Agreed, they should both have been warned, but the User having been just blocked for 2 weeks should already have known not to engage in another edit war hence why I blocked them for that repeat behavior and the personal attacks. User has clear ownership issues with that page. Mfield (Oi!) 19:25, 15 October 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah, I added warnings (personal attacks & edit warring) to them both but wasn't sure if/where to report. – LuniZunie ツ(talk) 19:26, 15 October 2025 (UTC)
- Jumping onto this thread, I wanted to bring to your attention that the IP is in fact an LTA who's been active in the area of trains for years. Original account is Dinoboyaz, and he's caught numerous blocks. He's even done cross-wiki harassment against me on Commons a few times. He geolocates to New Hampshire when he isn't using VPNs to fake his location for block evasion. One of his hallmarks is blowing up at people and then profusely apologizing later when he calms down, and sure enough here's exactly that behavior. None of this makes Trainsfan13's conduct any less sanctionable, but wanted to give you some situational awareness in case this comes up again in the future. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 02:24, 16 October 2025 (UTC)
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Your reversion of an edit I made in the 'White people' article
Hi, I’ve noticed that none of my arguments on the article’s talk page have been addressed yet pertaining to me removing mention of Egyptians in the article who are irrelevant to the subject. Instead, the edit keeps getting reverted with only remarks like yours saying “This is clearly germane.” That kind of comment doesn’t address any of the points I made, which are listed in detail on the article’s talk page and I suspect people are just not as informed about Ancient Egypt as I am.
Here’s the reasoning I’ve already posted there (copied below for convenience):
The Ancient Egyptians depicted different ethnic groups, sometimes with different skin color that is reliably sourced but irrelevant to the subject of the article. There is no Egyptian text that says "white people" or "black people" or anything analogous to these terms or concepts and there is no reliable modern Egyptology source that recognize these terms or concepts in Egyptian culture, not even "white skinned" as you might find in ancient Greek writing. They have no business being in this article and it is misleading put them in. In the past images from the Egyptian Book of Gates has sometimes erroneously been called depiction of races by outdated Western authors but they did not even have a word for race. It is false and misleading. These Book of gates scenes depict four ethnic groups Nubians depicted colored black, Egyptians dark brown, West Asians (Syro-Palestinians according to scholars) a little lighter brown and Libyan berbers still lighter. None of them are even European, where racial concepts, "black" "white" and the obsolete "yellow" for East Asians and if you try to force modern racial concepts "white people", "black people" and "Asians" or nearly synonymous older race terms Caucasian, Negroids, Mongoloids it doesnt even fit the Egyptian four groups, Nubians, Egyptians, Asiatics (of the Levant) and Libyans. This is why Egyptians are not mentioned in the wikipedia article - Race (human categorization). And why here in an article particular one "race" - "white people" why are Nubians and Egyptians even mentioned, they both fit into black and brown. The "Asiatics" ( of the Levant) are also depicted brown. Even Libyans who are North African berbers who are depicted as lighter n these Book of Gates scenes a tan or yellowish color but sometimes brown in other scenes. Listen- even if you wanted to misleading use Egyptian art as depicting "White people" you would only mention Libyans, who are North African berbers are try to argue they are "White people" which is problematic and not part of their traditional culture either. This is the first sentence in the White people article
Physical descriptions in antiquity
According to anthropologist Nina Jablonski:
In ancient Egypt as a whole, people were not designated by color terms
Right here in the article an author is quoted and this quote is a source but it's a source not relevant to the article, and is also the reason Egypt is not mentioned in the wikipedia article: Race (human categorization).
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Hi, EvergreenFir. Would you have a bit of time to have a look at Social constructionism, where Wiki Ed student editor Nateiac7 (talk · contribs)[noping] added 28kb in seven edits today? What I wanted to ask you about, is how much of their added content is relevant to the topic of social constructionism, and whether their choice of sources is appropriate. For example, in this edit they added section § Business ethics to the article, which talks about moral restoration. I see that this is about an aspect of human activity, but I am a little hazy where the boundaries of social constructionism are, as not every human endeavor is *about* social constructionism, right, even if it is socially constructioned as otherwise half the encyclopedia would have to be summarized here. Do you think this section is relevant here? I understand better their addition of § Senegal under § Cultural differences, that makes more sense to me there. They have some clearly good subtopic additions, such as § Gender and Roles, but our page Social construction of gender was never linked or summarized, neither was Doing gender, West & Zimmerman, Feinberg, Fausto-Sterling, Butler, or anybody I recognized. I don't know how they chose their sources were chosen (I will ask them), or whether they are at all representative. That makes me worry how sources were chosen for the other newly added sections whose topics I am less familiar with, and whether they represent their subtopics properly.
The user is a Wiki Ed student in Advanced Communication Theory at Aquinas College, and their Wiki Ed liaison in User:Ian (Wiki Ed). In fairness, although those seven edits span only 23 minutes, they developed their content beforehand, per standard Wiki Ed procedures, in various user subpages such as their */Bibliography, and especially at User:Nateiac7/Social constructionism, where it took one day to reach 27kb with 63 citations to 20 unique sources; pretty prolific. So I am somewhat concerned as well about possible LLM use, but I am not the best judge of that (maybe Asilvering?). Thanks for any help you can offer. Mathglot (talk) 02:12, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Doesn't look like AI to me, though my AI-vision has its limits (namely, someone using AI well is much harder to catch). The real tell would be if the references end up being halluci-paraphrased (they don't look outright hallucinated). Honestly, I think this student is doing quite well. This is, frankly, much more like an encyclopedia article than most wikipedia articles. But therein lies the problem you've identified. No comment on the content itself. -- asilvering (talk) 04:55, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
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Hey EvergreenFir there's trouble going on the Are You Afraid of the Dark? episode list where an account that goes by the name ~2025-38072-74 or ~2025-35234-10 or ~2025-38123-46 where he keep taking out an edit that I keep reverting and is also sending personal attacks towards to me, and has also been banned for a week under the name 86.155.72.170 and also caused the page to go protect mode because of him. ~2025-37346-98 (talk) 21:01, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
- Page is semi-protected and I blocked the temporary account for harassment EvergreenFir (talk) 21:14, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
December 4, 2025
Thank you EvergreenFire. ~2025-37346-98 (talk) 21:15, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) "EvergreenFire" would be a pretty cool username! A gift if you should ever consider creating a little sock like mine, EvergreenFir. Bishonen | tålk 21:37, 4 December 2025 (UTC).
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Hi User:EvergreenFir. It looks like we were acting on the same AIV report at more or less the same time. I had just declined the report as the edits did not appear to be vandalism to me. While there was definitely edit warring going on, their concerns appear to be legitimate. The text they were removing was unrelated to the subject of the article and IMO may well be NPOV/UNDUE. Am I missing something? -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:05, 8 December 2025 (UTC)
- @Ad Orientem Hi there! It does indeed look like were were at AIV at the same time. I blocked the user for the edit warring/DE and the fact they seemed to be a sockpuppet of HRatGBI (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). But I did remove the content as I agree with your assessment. It's certainly unarguably UNDUE. I've semi-protected the page and added it to my watchlist.
- Would you like me to change any of my actions? I'm open to undoing things if you think it would be better. EvergreenFir (talk) 17:08, 8 December 2025 (UTC)
- If it's a sock then no, I'd leave the block in place. If the original account wants to request an unblock, I'd be inclined to give it serious consideration. But they look like a SPA and the removal of the text probably resolves the matter. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:12, 8 December 2025 (UTC)
Your the GOAT.
Thanks for helping me undispute a edit war I was involved in.
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Some of the links are archived but don't load? ~2025-40288-09 (talk) 14:44, 12 December 2025 (UTC)
Is this user a sock?
Special:Contributions/MaxHogan25 - seems familiar to a lot of animation LTAs I've seen, but I can't pinpoint which one. The account being created in Aug. and only becoming active now seems like sleeper behavior as well. I could be wrong, though. wizzito | say hello! 18:09, 16 December 2025 (UTC)
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A user you just blocked
Hi, just noticed that you blocked User:Zjghhgh for vandalism. Going by their addition here (section "Request for Permanent Account and IP Ban, and Review of Deleted Content"), they might be a block evading sock of User:Marina Reddaktor who had recently posted something similar to AN/I. I don't know whether this is something worth reporting on ANI for a range block or on the sockpuppet investigation noticeboard to request a checkuser, so I'm letting you know here. Regards — Nakonana (talk) 21:29, 4 January 2026 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Hi, I just happened to be passing. Zjghhgh is just a returning pest (same as for example User:Zudjdbzj), who just happened to revert ANI to a previous revision, and is unrelated to that other account. -- zzuuzz (talk) 22:02, 4 January 2026 (UTC)
- I see, thanks for letting me know :) Nakonana (talk) 00:12, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
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Hello! I was trying to sort out the multiple copies of the draft for F Killa recently created by (presumably) the subject at Draft talk:F Killa, Dr mohamdd1, and User:Dr mohamdd1/sandbox, and saw that you had salted the draft title. Do these new ones look similar to the deleted versions? ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 07:53, 11 January 2026 (UTC)
- @ClaudineChionh yes they're exactly the same EvergreenFir (talk) 19:09, 11 January 2026 (UTC)
Talk:Luigi Mangione rollback
I said something wrong since you believed rollback was justified? Trade (talk) 07:36, 15 January 2026 (UTC)
- @Trade I'm so sorry. That was an error. I didn't even realize I'd clicked the rollback button. You did nothing wrong. EvergreenFir (talk) 16:35, 15 January 2026 (UTC)
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Would it be advisable to create an LTA page for Son of Zorn, given the repetitive behavior and constant IP hopping? I generally stay away from creating such pages nowadays, because I admittedly created some pages that really shouldn't have been made, but Zorn's socking is pretty long-term and sometimes hard to get ahold of. wizzito | say hello! 10:06, 18 January 2026 (UTC)
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Please reconsider putting a block on edits to Europe of Sovereign Nations Group. You're slandering the name of a democratic institution by blocking the removal of a label. There are no sources behind the claim. Argue in the talk page of the article and remove the block. ~2026-40424-3 (talk) 22:34, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
Ruff-Ruff, Tweet and Dave is produced by Sister (production company)?
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User: Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, you can't be fooled again
Agree with the indefinite. I have come across some possible socking/long-term vandalism connected with that account on Mary Ball Washington and Augustine Washington, where various now-blocked accounts + a temporarily-blocked anon changed birthdates to November 12th. (Editor Interaction Analyser: https://sigma.toolforge.org/editorinteract.py?users=142.134.20.23&users=JDVance1984&users=GeorgeClinton1739&users=Fool+me+once%2C+shame+on+you%3B+fool+me+twice%2C+you+can%27t+be+fooled+again&startdate=&enddate=&ns=&server=enwiki). - Shearonink (talk) 16:23, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
- @Shearonink That looks like a rather plausible connection. Good catch. Might be worth filing pro forma at the SPI EvergreenFir (talk) 18:28, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
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Thanks, you beat me by a few seconds. Annoying browser selection glitch. Acroterion (talk) 19:41, 2 February 2026 (UTC)
Tygrieve28
Hello, this user has resumed their exact same disruptive editing as soon as the P-block you gave them expired. — Czello (music) 07:52, 4 February 2026 (UTC)
- And another — Czello (music) 10:35, 4 February 2026 (UTC)
- @Czello Reinstated p-block EvergreenFir (talk) 17:29, 4 February 2026 (UTC)
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Hello, ive noticed that you closed a Talk between 2 users in Killing of Iryna Zarutska and reason was because you though that both of the users were Nazis and Trollers? I think you are abusing your power. ~2026-88300-0 (talk) 13:30, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
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2026 Tumbler Ridge shooting
Hi,
I just reverted his removal of the tag because he refuses to generate consensus. I am using the talk page and not reverting content now. Literally working on consensus building. i did add the tag.Psephguru (talk) 16:59, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
- @Psephguru You're edit warring. If you continue, you will be blocked. Go use the talk page to discuss things. EvergreenFir (talk) 17:01, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
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van/Van
Thanks for correcting me in Diff/1337876108, I had misread your earlier edit. I've self-reverted a later incorrect correction that I had made. --Gurkubondinn (talk) 23:15, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
- @Gurkubondinn No worries! I figured it was a misreading of the diff. I've done it many times myself EvergreenFir (talk) 23:17, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
- Same, still surprised at how often it happens to me. --Gurkubondinn (talk) 23:19, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
- (re-using thread for convenience) Hey EvergreenFir, shouldn't Diff/1337921823 be revdel'd as well (since it contains the body of the offending section)? --Gurkubondinn (talk) 05:09, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
- Nevermind, you deleted it while I was writing this. Thanks for doing this. --Gurkubondinn (talk) 05:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
- @Gurkubondinn No prob! Thanks for your diligence EvergreenFir (talk) 05:12, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
- Nevermind, you deleted it while I was writing this. Thanks for doing this. --Gurkubondinn (talk) 05:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
- (re-using this thread for convenience again) Should Diff/1337979636 and Diff/1337979903 also be revdel'd? Definite WP:NOTHERE behaviour, but less egregiously bad than the other ones. --Gurkubondinn (talk) 15:33, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
- done EvergreenFir (talk) 16:37, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
- Heads up, it's still accessible in the Permalink/1337979903 revision, and in the changset for the Diff/1337980201 edit that removed it from the page. --Gurkubondinn (talk) 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
- Or in other words, I think that the revisions Diff/1337979903 (the TA adding a reply) and Diff/1337980201 (both TA edits reverted) also need to be revdel'd to remove this from the public history of the page. --Gurkubondinn (talk) 16:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
- Heads up, it's still accessible in the Permalink/1337979903 revision, and in the changset for the Diff/1337980201 edit that removed it from the page. --Gurkubondinn (talk) 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
- done EvergreenFir (talk) 16:37, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
links that are blanked or dont show up
Is there any way around this?~2026-97099-0 (talk) 00:12, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
- @~2026-97099-0 do you mean links in the references of an article? EvergreenFir (talk) 04:11, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
BLP Violation/dog whistles
Hi @EvergreenFir, can you revert this edit per WP:BLP which says Contentious material about living (or, in some cases, recently deceased) persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—must be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion
and The burden of evidence rests with the editor who adds or restores the material
. It's been contested twice on the talk page as inaccurate and as a dog whistle toward the race of the defendants listed on the page. ~2026-32437-2 (talk) 05:36, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
- I'm leaning toward no. It's an accurate statement and summarizes a portion of the article per WP:LEAD. The race, ethnicity, and immigration status of the defendants are indeed why the Trump administration is targeting them. If another admin thinks it should be removed, I won't contest it. EvergreenFir (talk) 05:47, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
- @EvergreenFir It's not accurate though and some of the sources to support it in the body are biased opinion pieces. Some editors want it in the lead as UNDUE weight as a way to associate race with crime.
- Can you self-revert on WP:BLP grounds? It's been contested so per WP:BLP policy it shouldn't be re-added until consensus is affirmed on the talk page to have it there. Thanks ~2026-32437-2 (talk) 06:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
- Agree - it should be removed until we have a consensus. Assorted-Interests (talk) 17:35, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
- @Assorted-Interests and @~2026-32437-2 - the content was added December 6 and remained unchallenged until ~2026-32437-2 removed it on January 28 for the first time. That same day ToBeFree semi-protected the article. It was then edit warred over the following 14 days.
- The comment itself is not a BLP violation and is factually accurate. Further, it adheres to WP:LEAD and is stated in a neutral tone. There is no reason to remove it other than certain editors' preference. If you want to assess consensus, use the talk page. If edit warring continues after the full protection expires, I will block people. EvergreenFir (talk) 04:20, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
- (Please do, without asking me, especially in cases where such a block was already placed by me and then taken back in the hope that it wouldn't continue. Most of the participants had already received a block for edit warring when the protection came, and that was too early from me. If it really continues after the full protection, please restore my blocks on those who continue.) ~ ToBeFree (talk) 15:14, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
- @ToBeFree I didn't realize you'd unblocked! Thank you for the info and permission. EvergreenFir (talk) 17:04, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
- @Assorted-Interests, I find it frustrating that you have shown up here to argue for this sentence's removal instead of contributing to the article's talk page, which you have never edited. Discussion is how we reach consensus on Wikipedia. —Ganesha811 (talk) 17:09, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
- (Please do, without asking me, especially in cases where such a block was already placed by me and then taken back in the hope that it wouldn't continue. Most of the participants had already received a block for edit warring when the protection came, and that was too early from me. If it really continues after the full protection, please restore my blocks on those who continue.) ~ ToBeFree (talk) 15:14, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
Talk page protection
I, preferably, would rather not have my talk page protected for a number of reasons I can't say publicly. Given that no revdels occurred (which is the typical reason that an admin has wanted to protect my talk page), is it possible to get it unprotected, or at least, not protected for an entire week. I personally could not care less about the LTAs, but if it is causing too much disruption for others, then yeah, makes sense to protect the page, but I just wanted to both see about getting a reduction in time and maybe get some reasoning for future reference. Cheers! – LuniZunie(talk) 03:54, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
- @LuniZunie sure I can remove it. I had seen the majority of the most recent edits were harassment so I protected it. But it's your talk page :) EvergreenFir (talk) 03:56, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
AlphaCoAviation
Hi, just for info... I opened an SPI regarding this editor, and specifically a new account that was conveniently created just after the most recent reversion. Danners430 tweaks made 20:21, 16 February 2026 (UTC)