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There is a consensus already. All of the current lvoters and the nominator (me) agree that the page should be deleted and Manan (disambiguation) be moved over to the vacant title. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:35, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

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New Page Patrol newsletter September 2021

New Page Review queue September 2021

Hello EggRoll97,

Please join this discussion - there is increase in the abuse of Wikipedia and its processes by POV pushers, Paid Editors, and by holders of various user rights including Autopatrolled. Even our review systems themselves at AfC and NPR have been infiltrated. The good news is that detection is improving, but the downside is that it creates the need for a huge clean up - which of course adds to backlogs.

Copyright violations are also a serious issue. Most non-regular contributors do not understand why, and most of our Reviewers are not experts on copyright law - and can't be expected to be, but there is excellent, easy-to-follow advice on COPYVIO detection here.

At the time of the last newsletter (#25, December 2020) the backlog was only just over 2,000 articles. New Page Review is an official system. It's the only firewall against the inclusion of new, improper pages.

There are currently 706 New Page Reviewers plus a further 1,080 admins, but as much as nearly 90% of the patrolling is still being done by around only the 20 or so most regular patrollers.

If you are no longer very active on Wikipedia or you no longer wish to be part of the New Page Reviewer user group, please consider asking any admin to remove you from the list. This will enable NPP to have a better overview of its performance and what improvements need to be made to the process or its software.

Various awards are due to be allocated by the end of the year and barnstars are overdue. If you would like to manage this, please let us know. Indeed, if you are interested in coordinating NPR, it does not involve much time and the tasks are described here.

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November 2021 backlog drive

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New Page Patrol | November 2021 Backlog Drive
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New Page Patrol newsletter May 2022

New Page Review queue March 2022

Hello EggRoll97,

At the time of the last newsletter (No.26, September 2021), the backlog was 'only' just over 6,000 articles. In the past six months, the backlog has reached nearly 16,000, a staggering level not seen in several years. A very small number of users had been doing the vast majority of the reviews. Due to "burn-out", we have recently lost most of this effort. Furthermore, several reviewers have been stripped of the user right for abuse of privilege and the articles they patrolled were put back in the queue.

Several discussions on the state of the process have taken place on the talk page, but there has been no action to make any changes. The project also lacks coordination since the "position" is vacant.

In the last 30 days, only 100 reviewers have made more than 8 patrols and only 50 have averaged one review a day. There are currently 875 New Page Reviewers, but about a third have not had any activity in the past month. All 814 administrators have this permission, but only about a dozen significantly contribute to NPP.

This means we have an active pool of about 450 to address the backlog. We cannot rely on a few to do most of the work as that inevitably leads to burnout. A fairly experienced reviewer can usually do a review in a few minutes. If every active reviewer would patrol just one article per day, the backlog would very quickly disappear.

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New Page Review queue June 2022

Hello EggRoll97,

Backlog status

At the time of the last newsletter (No.27, May 2022), the backlog was approaching 16,000, having shot up rapidly from 6,000 over the prior two months. The attention the newsletter brought to the backlog sparked a flurry of activity. There was new discussion on process improvements, efforts to invite new editors to participate in NPP increased and more editors requested the NPP user right so they could help, and most importantly, the number of reviews picked up and the backlog decreased, dipping below 14,000[a] at the end of May.

Since then, the news has not been so good. The backlog is basically flat, hovering around 14,200. I wish I could report the number of reviews done and the number of new articles added to the queue. But the available statistics we have are woefully inadequate. The only real number we have is the net queue size.[b]

In the last 30 days, the top 100 reviewers have all made more than 16 patrols (up from 8 last month), and about 70 have averaged one review a day (up from 50 last month).

While there are more people doing more reviews, many of the ~730 with the NPP right are doing little. Most of the reviews are being done by the top 50 or 100 reviewers. They need your help. We appreciate every review done, but please aim to do one a day (on average, or 30 a month).

Backlog drive

A backlog reduction drive, coordinated by buidhe and Zippybonzo, will be held from July 1 to July 31. Sign up here. Barnstars will be awarded.

TIP – New school articles

Many new articles on schools are being created by new users in developing and/or non-English-speaking countries. The authors are probably not even aware of Wikipedia's projects and policy pages. WP:WPSCH/AG has some excellent advice and resources specifically written for these users. Reviewers could consider providing such first-time article creators with a link to it while also mentioning that not all schools pass the GNG and that elementary schools are almost certainly not notable.

Misc

There is a new template available, {{NPP backlog}}, to show the current backlog. You can place it on your user or talk page as a reminder:

Very high unreviewed pages backlog: 16607 articles, as of 02:00, 17 June 2026 (UTC), according to DatBot

There has been significant discussion at WP:VPP recently on NPP-related matters (Draftification, Deletion, Notability, Verifiability, Burden). Proposals that would somewhat ease the burden on NPP aren't gaining much traction, although there are suggestions that the role of NPP be fundamentally changed to focus only on major CSD-type issues.

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  1. ↑ not including another ~6,000 redirects
  2. ↑ The number of weekly reviews reported in the NPP feed includes redirects, which are not included in the backlog we primarily track.

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New Page Patrol newsletter August 2022

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New Page Review queue August 2022

Hello EggRoll97,

Backlog status

After the last newsletter (No.28, June 2022), the backlog declined another 1,000 to 13,000 in the last week of June. Then the July backlog drive began, during which 9,900 articles were reviewed and the backlog fell by 4,500 to just under 8,500 (these numbers illustrate how many new articles regularly flow into the queue). Thanks go to the coordinators Buidhe and Zippybonzo, as well as all the nearly 100 participants. Congratulations to Dr vulpes who led with 880 points. See this page for further details.

Unfortunately, most of the decline happened in the first half of the month, and the backlog has already risen to 9,600. Understandably, it seems many backlog drive participants are taking a break from reviewing and unfortunately, we are not even keeping up with the inflow let alone driving it lower. We need the other 600 reviewers to do more! Please try to do at least one a day.

Coordination
MB and Novem Linguae have taken on some of the coordination tasks. Please let them know if you are interested in helping out. MPGuy2824 will be handling recognition, and will be retroactively awarding the annual barnstars that have not been issued for a few years.
Open letter to the WMF
The Page Curation software needs urgent attention. There are dozens of bug fixes and enhancements that are stalled (listed at Suggested improvements). We have written a letter to be sent to the WMF and we encourage as many patrollers as possible to sign it here. We are also in negotiation with the Board of Trustees to press for assistance. Better software will make the active reviewers we have more productive.
TIP - Reviewing by subject
Reviewers who prefer to patrol new pages by their most familiar subjects can do so from the regularly updated sorted topic list.
New reviewers
The NPP School is being underused. The learning curve for NPP is quite steep, but a detailed and easy-to-read tutorial exists, and the Curation Tool's many features are fully described and illustrated on the updated page here.
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Hi EggRoll97,

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For those who may have missed it in our last newsletter, here's a quick reminder to see the letter we have drafted, and if you support it, do please go ahead and sign it. If you already signed, thanks. Also, if you haven't noticed, the backlog has been trending up lately; all reviews are greatly appreciated.

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Closure of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jolly Jam

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Please revert the Non Admin Closure of this AfD if possible. One delete, one merge, and one keep (with the other being WP:PERX) is not consensus. At most it would be "no consensus" but the discussion hasn't even been relisted more than once. In short, I believe this is an incorrect closure. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:18, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

@Zxcvbnm: I am willing to relist out of good faith, though the merge !vote was more of a "keep, though merge if possible" as I saw it. Again, though, I have re-opened and relisted as requested. EggRoll97 (talk) 04:40, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

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New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022

Hello EggRoll97,

Much has happened since the last newsletter over two months ago. The open letter finished with 444 signatures. The letter was sent to several dozen people at the WMF, and we have heard that it is being discussed but there has been no official reply. A related article appears in the current issue of The Signpost. If you haven't seen it, you should, including the readers' comment section.

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Backlog:

Saving the best for last: From a July low of 8,500, the backlog climbed back to 11,000 in August and then reversed in September dropping to below 6,000 and continued falling with the October backlog drive to under 1,000, a level not seen in over four years. Keep in mind that there are 2,000 new articles every week, so the number of reviews is far higher than the backlog reduction. To keep the backlog under a thousand, we have to keep reviewing at about half the recent rate!

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New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023

Hello EggRoll97,

New Page Review queue December 2022
Backlog

The October drive reduced the backlog from 9,700 to an amazing 0! Congratulations to WaddlesJP13 who led with 2084 points. See this page for further details. The queue is steadily rising again and is approaching 2,000. It would be great if <2,000 were the “new normal”. Please continue to help out even if it's only for a few or even one patrol a day.

2022 Awards

Onel5969 won the 2022 cup for 28,302 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 80/day. There was one Gold Award (5000+ reviews), 11 Silver (2000+), 28 Iron (360+) and 39 more for the 100+ barnstar. Rosguill led again for the 4th year by clearing 49,294 redirects. For the full details see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone!

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New draftify script: In response to feedback from AFC, the The Move to Draft script now provides a choice of set messages that also link the creator to a new, friendly explanation page. The script also warns reviewers if the creator is probably still developing the article. The former script is no longer maintained. Please edit your edit your common.js or vector.js file from User:Evad37/MoveToDraft.js to User:MPGuy2824/MoveToDraft.js

Redirects: Some of our redirect reviewers have reduced their activity and the backlog is up to 9,000+ (two months deep). If you are interested in this distinctly different task and need any help, see this guide, this checklist, and spend some time at WP:RFD.

Discussions with the WMF The PageTriage open letter signed by 444 users is bearing fruit. The Growth Team has assigned some software engineers to work on PageTriage, the software that powers the NewPagesFeed and the Page Curation toolbar. WMF has submitted dozens of patches in the last few weeks to modernize PageTriage's code, which will make it easier to write patches in the future. This work is helpful but is not very visible to the end user. For patches visible to the end user, volunteers such as Novem Linguae and MPGuy2824 have been writing patches for bug reports and feature requests. The Growth Team also had a video conference with the NPP coordinators to discuss revamping the landing pages that new users see.

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Talk:Croatian–Slovene Peasant Revolt

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I believe your close was in error. Only one person out of five involved raised any objection to three of the moves. Srnec (talk) 20:30, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

@Srnec: I've re-opened the discussion. EggRoll97 (talk) 20:40, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Hindu terrorism

Latest comment: 3 years ago14 comments5 people in discussion

This is with regards to your close here. Could you go through this please? The closure of this discussion, which involved many of the participants of the discussion you closed, clearly points out why Option 2 cannot be the title. As you said that the only options with significant support would be 2 or 3, and since 2 cannot be the title it seems to me that moving it to 3 would be the correct choice. You may also relist though. I would like you to reconsider your close. Thanks Dympies (talk) 06:13, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

@Dympies: Thank you for the chance to take a second look at this. A new day's perspective seems to be well-needed. I've went ahead and moved the page, given clear policy arguments. I'm not entirely sure how I missed all that, frankly. EggRoll97 (talk) 15:07, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
Your first close was correct, editor EggRoll97. Please don't second-guess yourself just because one editor asks on your talk page. Now you have two asking, and I ask you to stick with your first closure. Thank you! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 15:21, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
No. See this comment. Just like Zionism is not Judaism, Hindutva is not Hinduism. End of the story. Dympies (talk) 16:49, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
Disagree with that, because for one thing, "Hindutva" fails the WP:RECOGNIZABILITY policy as has been shown numerous times, and nobody has been able to effectively rebut that. "Hindu terrorism" still remains the highest and best title for the article, in order for the scope of the article to be open to a wider understanding of such terrorism. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 16:55, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
You and I need to stop rearguing the move request on this talk page. The important thing is that there was no consensus, just like this closer first iterated, no consensus. There is nothing we can say here that should be able to change that. This closer was right the first time! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 17:15, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
@EggRoll97 Closure shouldn't be a supervote. Your current closing statement can be summarised as: "those supporting option X presented best arguments". Well, this is not how a decent evaluation should look like, especially in such a contentious area, itself subject to discretionary sanctions, as communal relations in South Asia.
For now, there has been no clear consensus to move, even as many editors brought up several valid arguments in support of one or more of the presented options.
If even the closer is unsure of where consensus lies, then it's definitely not a clear consensus, which is required for a move, and lack of consensus defaults to status quo.
Finally, non-admins are strongly advised not to attempt to close contentious discussions – you are certainly familiar with WP:NAC. Cheers. — kashmīrī TALK 18:31, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

@Dympies: @Paine Ellsworth: @Kashmiri: I've reverted it to no consensus. Any further discussion needs to happen at move review, or in a new RM. EggRoll97 (talk) 21:55, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

This discussion went through at least 3 non-admin closures and you have no problem with "non-admins" doing such "close". Indeed, that lack of consensus defaults to status quo, but that "status quo" you are talking about will only lead to restoration of Saffron terror as a title, which debunks your whole argument (in my humble opinion). desmay (talk) 22:38, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
My above reply was meant for Kashmiri.
@EggRoll97: Why not just relist it? The discussion is crucial enough that it deserves at least 1 relist. desmay (talk) 22:46, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
@Desmay: This doesn't sound too bad, but at this rate, I think it's best that if there remains a disagreement over the validity of the close, it be taken to move review. EggRoll97 (talk) 23:15, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
I support the idea of relisting. Re. revert to the title chosen by the first editor, this would get further complicated by the fact that the text of that very first edit goes: Term Safforn Terror is identicle [sic!] to Hindu Terror or Hindu Terrorism. It seems that is author thought of Wikipedia as a dictionary. — kashmīrī TALK 00:26, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for your response, editor EggRoll97, and thank you so much for sticking to your earlier closure. That was the right thing to do. Might also say that while under the usual circumstances where a title is proposed for a move to another specific title, and the proposed title is the status quo (like when someone boldly moves a page without discussion), that is when a no-consensus decision results in moving the page back to the status quo title. In this case, it was clear that there were two titles that far exceeded the status quo, "Saffron Terror", and yet no consensus between the two other titles. That is why your first call was the best decision. As is usual with no-consensus outcomes, more discussion is needed, and editors should wait a few months to open a fresh move request if they want it to succeed. Thanks again! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 00:29, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

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You closed this move request and stated that the result was to move, but you did not move the article? – Treetoes023 (talk) 01:18, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

@Treetoes023: Should be moved now, sorry for the delay. EggRoll97 (talk) 04:20, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

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Good morning, you here, relisted this discussion today. But I believe after 7 days, It could be very easily deduced that the consensus exists and it is to not move, isnt it? >>> Extorc.talk 07:31, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

@Extorc: The consensus is somewhat split, and could benefit from further discussion, hence why I also ensured that I publicized the discussion to relevant WikiProjects as well. EggRoll97 (talk) 07:37, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
Alright, we'll let it run. >>> Extorc.talk 07:41, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

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Sinosphere has been deleted G6. Go ahead with the move. -- Whpq (talk) 02:20, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

@Whpq: Done, moving subpages now. Thanks! EggRoll97 (talk) 02:20, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
Sorry about missing the talk page. It's deleted now. -- Whpq (talk) 02:32, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

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Wanted to write a quick apology for reverting your edits from WP:AN. My watchlist was loading my scripts and I accidentally clicked the rollback button. I will be sure to be more vigilant when viewing my watchlist. Happy editing, Heart (talk) 18:49, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

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Hello EggRoll97, do you know what can be done about the "List of" articles now that they weren't included in the move request? Would the main page consensus still work if I sent a request to the bulletin or would I have to start a new consensus again on said talk page? GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 04:40, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

@GalaxyFighter55: I would recommend starting a new move request for the associated "list of" articles. I don't see any specific problem with the move on those, but given that the original move request was only made for the main article, consensus has not been established for the list articles, so I'm not confident in moving those without prior consensus, given that the original move request spawned from a controversial technical request. EggRoll97 (talk) 04:42, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
@EggRoll97: Alright, a little update on the subject at hand: admin user Xezbeth deemed it fit to move the child pages to the concise title due to the circumstances regarding the parent article consensus. Thank you for your help!GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 06:54, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

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I want to be sure I understand what you are saying here. Do you mean that the entire move discussion has been subverted or that it was just necessary to fix something formal for the discussion to continue? -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 02:32, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

@SashiRolls: No, that was just a fix for the bot's sake, because it's not permissible to hold an RM to move to a page with content that isn't a redirect or blank. Therefore, the disambiguation needs to go to a new title, so that the original move is possible. Simply a formality more than anything else. EggRoll97 (talk) 04:46, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
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Thank you for closing Talk:List_of_Washington_(state)_companies#Requested move 4 July 2023, but it looks like the page hasn't been moved. I assume this is just an oversight, but if there is an issue let me know. I can also move it if you would like. Cheers, Mdewman6 (talk) 18:40, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

@Mdewman6: Sorry about that. I thought it moved, but it apparently did not. I've moved the page. EggRoll97 (talk) 00:03, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

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Hi, EggRoll97! I saw you closed this requested move today. Since you're a page mover, I am alerting you on a possible move review since I'm not satisfied with the outcome though you saw it. 162 etc. reverted my RM at RMTR saying "It's ambiguous", when in reality it's not. If you look through the page history, others in the past performed very confusing page moves on it to the point where it got pointless and nonsensical to have the "Ivory Coast" disambiguator added to the title. I may also humbly suggest you rather move the page to "San Pedro, Ivory Coast" like it was before or my "San-Pédro" title. My rationale for opening the RM is not to be seen as edit/move warring so as to get me blocked/banned! Intrisit (talk) 16:30, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

@Intrisit: I'm sorry you feel that the closure was incorrect, but consensus is clearly against your proposed move. I cannot close an RM against consensus, that would be an inappropriate close. You are welcome to take the close to move review if you wish. EggRoll97 (talk) 18:33, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
Hi EggRoll97 - just to say, your close is a fair one given the discussion that took place, and frankly I find Intrisit's approach a little bizarre here, casting aspersions at multiple editors in the RM and making strange unfounded accusations that people want to see them blocked. But that aside, I actually think there is some merit in the move... I don't think there actually is any other usage of San-Pédro with that diacritic (that's not part of the standard Spanish name) so I actually would support that move. Please could you consider relisting it for another week so we can try to make the point without the side drama of accusing other editors of things? Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 14:59, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
@Amakuru:  Done EggRoll97 (talk) 17:44, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

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Curious as to why you've put this edit through as it was. The filter blocks emojis for a reason and the football icons on the page are not emojis but instead images that come from a template. Uhai (talk) 23:33, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

@Uhai: I didn't notice the other ones were images from a template. I went to replace it after seeing your message and noticed you already did it. Thank you. EggRoll97 (talk) 02:14, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
Yeah, as far as I'm aware, emojis aren't used in any articles—or at least, shouldn't be. Small images that often closely resemble emojis are what are used (e.g. for country flags and sport medals) but this sometimes confuses new users who add emojis without looking at how the rest of the article does things. I just dealt with this a few weeks ago with a user who was trying to add medal emojis like 🥇 to an article. Thanks! Uhai (talk) 06:33, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
@Uhai: Yeah, I was under the impression it was one of those articles that had consensus to use emojis or something of that nature. Didn't even know we had images for them. EggRoll97 (talk) 18:00, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

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