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Hi Dcw2003. You recently have uploaded several photos which look to be newspaper clippings under a {{PD-US-no notice}} license, but you seem to be misunderstanding how that license applies to such things. US copyright law only required separate individual copyright notices for advertisements appearing in newspapers and other printed publications during the 1929–1977 (both years inclusive) period; it didn't require individual notices for photos being used in newspaper articles. Such photos were covered by the copyright notice for the publications as a whole much in the same way the text of the articles themselves were also covered by such the copyright notice for the whole work. Moreover, the notice for the publication itself would only apply to its own original photos, and not necessarily to photos it received wire services like the Associated Press or other third parties. It's possible that some of the photo you uploaded are public domain for some other reason (e.g. {{PD-US-not renewed}}) but that might take a little more digging on your part to sort out. Before uploading any more files under this license, it might be a good idea to ask about it first at c:COM:VPC because files licensed as either {{PD-US-no notice}} or {{PD-US-not renewed}} are OK for Commons and should really be uploaded there. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:46, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thank-you. How then does a person (writer) find the copyright liscense for the newspapers for which I'm claiming are public domain? I assume some of these publications (newspapers) do not have copyrights that cover the photos and the print portions for those years. Is it possible to determine this quickly? Until then, I'll refrain from uploading such photos from newspapers. Thank-you again. Dcw2003 (talk) 16:05, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Dcw2003 (talk) Dcw2003 (talk) 16:37, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Are you claiming the photos you're uploading are public domain or the newspapers they are taken from are public domain? I assumed you were just making such a claim for the photos, but doing the same for the newspapers is something altogether different. Most print publications seem to have a copyright notice or claim of copyright on one of their inner pages. A book, for example, may have a copyright notice on the page where it includes information about the publisher of the book. A newspaper can have such information on its front page near its masthead or on one of its inner pages where it contains information about the newspaper's publisher. If you have a book or newspaper handy, you should find its copyright notice if you look through its pages. It can be hard to find such a notice unless you're able to see every page, but pretty much anything that you would consider to be a regular newspaper ever published in the US almost certainly had one, and you should assume that's the case and work backward from there. If you find such a notice, then PD-US-no notice can't really be used, but it's still possible the publication is within the public domain depending upon when it was published and whether its copyright was renewed. Checking for copyright renewal tends to be much harder because it usually means looking through online records or databases. Anything with a copyright notice published prior to January 1, 1929, is too old to be still eligible for copyright protection since US copyright law at the time granted copyright protection for 28 years after the date of publication plus an additional 28 years if the copyright was renewed. Anything with a copyright notice published from January 1, 1929, until December 31, 1963, could be within the public domain if its copyright wasn't renewed by its copyright holder. Anything with a copyright notice published after January 1, 1964, is likely still protected by copyright since US copyright law changed in 1978 and the initial 28-year term or protection and the 28-year renewal requirement were gotten rid of and different term requirements were established. US copyright law changed again in March 1989 and different requirements apply to works today. All of this applies, in principle, to original photos taken by newspaper employees (i.e. staff photographers) appearing in newspapers since newspaper employees are typically work for hire, but photos provided to newspapers by wire services or other third-parties might be copyright protected separately from the paper itself for different reasons. All of what I posted only cover papers published in the US; other countries may and most likely do have different copyright rules. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:52, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks again; left this out;
- Dcw2003 (talk) Dcw2003 (talk) 22:00, 26 November 2024 (UTC) Is there a quicker way than checking every page in the newspaper?
- Thanks!! I wasn't saying the newspapers were public domain, but rather asking how to quickly determine where a copyright would be. I use online newspaper archives so going through every page of a 50 page newspaper is rather time consuming, but I think you're saying check the front page first. Wish there was a quicker way than going through every page of the newspaper. Thanks again for your response. Dcw2003 (talk) 21:59, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not aware of any "rule" that requires all publishers list copyright notices in the same place; so, where it ends up most likely varies among publishers. I'd imagine most newspaper publishers list the notice somewhere on the front page or whichever page they list publisher related information, and they probably do it on the same page for every issue they publish. So, perhaps the only sure way to check is to start on the front page; if you don't find it there, look on the next page and keep looking on subsequent pages until you do find it or run out of pages. Archive sites like newspapers.com seem to make it possible to see entire papers; so, even though it might be tedious to check, it seems possible. On the other hand, sites that only show article clippings or photos are much harder to check unless they provide some information on the provenance of the clipped article or photo. It would be a mistake, in my opinion, to just assume that an old photo found on some website is "PD-ineligible-no notice" just because there's no visible notice on the photo itself because the photo could originate somewhere else, could be cropped/modified, or the host website could have no connection to the original copyright holder. Anyway, I'll ask some others to take a look at this discussion and see if they want to add/correct anything. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:12, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Are you claiming the photos you're uploading are public domain or the newspapers they are taken from are public domain? I assumed you were just making such a claim for the photos, but doing the same for the newspapers is something altogether different. Most print publications seem to have a copyright notice or claim of copyright on one of their inner pages. A book, for example, may have a copyright notice on the page where it includes information about the publisher of the book. A newspaper can have such information on its front page near its masthead or on one of its inner pages where it contains information about the newspaper's publisher. If you have a book or newspaper handy, you should find its copyright notice if you look through its pages. It can be hard to find such a notice unless you're able to see every page, but pretty much anything that you would consider to be a regular newspaper ever published in the US almost certainly had one, and you should assume that's the case and work backward from there. If you find such a notice, then PD-US-no notice can't really be used, but it's still possible the publication is within the public domain depending upon when it was published and whether its copyright was renewed. Checking for copyright renewal tends to be much harder because it usually means looking through online records or databases. Anything with a copyright notice published prior to January 1, 1929, is too old to be still eligible for copyright protection since US copyright law at the time granted copyright protection for 28 years after the date of publication plus an additional 28 years if the copyright was renewed. Anything with a copyright notice published from January 1, 1929, until December 31, 1963, could be within the public domain if its copyright wasn't renewed by its copyright holder. Anything with a copyright notice published after January 1, 1964, is likely still protected by copyright since US copyright law changed in 1978 and the initial 28-year term or protection and the 28-year renewal requirement were gotten rid of and different term requirements were established. US copyright law changed again in March 1989 and different requirements apply to works today. All of this applies, in principle, to original photos taken by newspaper employees (i.e. staff photographers) appearing in newspapers since newspaper employees are typically work for hire, but photos provided to newspapers by wire services or other third-parties might be copyright protected separately from the paper itself for different reasons. All of what I posted only cover papers published in the US; other countries may and most likely do have different copyright rules. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:52, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Dcw2003 (talk) Dcw2003 (talk) 16:37, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- There were some rules based on the type of work -- for books usually around the title page. The regulations can be found in the Copyright Compendium chapter 22, see section 2207 and all its subsections there for details. You should not have to search all pages of a newspaper but the masthead page, and maybe where the publishers were listed, or the first or last page. If they were AP or UPI photos, the lack of notice in the newspaper probably does not mean anything -- they would likely not lose copyright (as those were published in many newspapers, most with notice). Newspapers before 1964 have the additional possibility of not being renewed; UPenn has a periodicals list where they note renewals of various periodicals. If not listed there, there was likely no renewal. Carl Lindberg (talk) 05:18, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for your concern and the depth and clarity of your reply. Your response was great, but its no easy fix determining if a newspaper photo from any era particularly recent is public domain. Dcw2003 (talk) 16:47, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- It's actually kind of easier to do so for recent photos (photos taken after March 1, 1989) because current US copyright law no longer requires copyright notices or copyright formalities (registration, renewal, fees, etc.) at all; everything considered eligible for copyright protection is assumed to be protected essentially the moment it becomes fixed in a physical medium of some kind (print, online, digital, etc.). This was pretty much the standard worldwide for countries that signed the Berne Convention, but it became the standard for the US as well when it signed the convention with the Berne Convention Implementation Act of 1988. So, pretty much any photo you find online or in anything published in the US after March 1, 1989, that was taken after March 1, 1989, is going to be assumed to be copyright protected unless its copyright holder clearly states otherwise or the photo itself has entered into the WP:PUBLICDOMAIN for some statutory or other reason. The length of copyright protection can vary a bit based on certain factors, though; for example, a photo taken by a known author would be eligible for copyright protection under US copyright law for 70 years after the death of its author, whereas a photo taken by an unknown author or corporate author is considered eligible for copyright protection for 95 years after being first published or 120 years after creation, whichever is shorter. FWIW, some creators do still add copyright notices and still register their works just to emphasize their copyright ownership and perhaps make it a bit easier to defend their rights, but they're no longer legally required to do so under the copyright laws of most countries. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:14, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- I think you missed the point of my remark, "its not easy to determine copyright". I meant its not easy to find a recent photo that is eligible to be used by wiki, since all of them are copyrighted and don't require any notice of that copyright. I'm trying to find groups of photos that AREN'T copyrighted in any way. These include government photos, military photos, and a few in the Smithsonian, but its a small and very special subset. Know of any other places to look to find UNCOPYRIGHTED photos on famous people? Thanks if you get to this. Otherwise, thanks for all your help!!! Dcw2003 (talk) 15:40, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- It's actually kind of easier to do so for recent photos (photos taken after March 1, 1989) because current US copyright law no longer requires copyright notices or copyright formalities (registration, renewal, fees, etc.) at all; everything considered eligible for copyright protection is assumed to be protected essentially the moment it becomes fixed in a physical medium of some kind (print, online, digital, etc.). This was pretty much the standard worldwide for countries that signed the Berne Convention, but it became the standard for the US as well when it signed the convention with the Berne Convention Implementation Act of 1988. So, pretty much any photo you find online or in anything published in the US after March 1, 1989, that was taken after March 1, 1989, is going to be assumed to be copyright protected unless its copyright holder clearly states otherwise or the photo itself has entered into the WP:PUBLICDOMAIN for some statutory or other reason. The length of copyright protection can vary a bit based on certain factors, though; for example, a photo taken by a known author would be eligible for copyright protection under US copyright law for 70 years after the death of its author, whereas a photo taken by an unknown author or corporate author is considered eligible for copyright protection for 95 years after being first published or 120 years after creation, whichever is shorter. FWIW, some creators do still add copyright notices and still register their works just to emphasize their copyright ownership and perhaps make it a bit easier to defend their rights, but they're no longer legally required to do so under the copyright laws of most countries. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:14, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for your concern and the depth and clarity of your reply. Your response was great, but its no easy fix determining if a newspaper photo from any era particularly recent is public domain. Dcw2003 (talk) 16:47, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- There were some rules based on the type of work -- for books usually around the title page. The regulations can be found in the Copyright Compendium chapter 22, see section 2207 and all its subsections there for details. You should not have to search all pages of a newspaper but the masthead page, and maybe where the publishers were listed, or the first or last page. If they were AP or UPI photos, the lack of notice in the newspaper probably does not mean anything -- they would likely not lose copyright (as those were published in many newspapers, most with notice). Newspapers before 1964 have the additional possibility of not being renewed; UPenn has a periodicals list where they note renewals of various periodicals. If not listed there, there was likely no renewal. Carl Lindberg (talk) 05:18, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
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Hi. You uploaded File:ColbathWalterOlympian.png as a non-free image. However, I think this image is actually public domain. It is in a 1930 yearbook, but from what I can tell, the copyright on the yearbook is 1929. I've started an inquiry at c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright#Image from 1930 Northwestern University yearbook. I can see from the file description, that you did some digging on the provenance of the image, so it would be useful to have your input in that discussion.
I've started a category at Commons, c:Category:Walter Colbath as I was able to find a 1928 image of Colbath. As well, the 1928 Northwestern University yearbook is archived at the wayback machine and includes more photos of Colbath. I don't know how to extract an image from a PDF. If you do, could you extract them? Cheers. -- Whpq (talk) 20:43, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
```If the image was published in 1928, then theres no problem. We could also just wait a year to convert it to public domain. I don't know how to extract an image from PDF, but you can display the image and then capture it with a screen capture program. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dcw2003 (talk • contribs)
- I've had one definitive response from the thread at Commons and its that the image is PD. I really think that we should be able to move the files to Commons. I'll wait for a few more opinions. I might try asking over at the graphics lab for help with extracting an image. -- Whpq (talk) 22:51, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Whpq and Dcw2003: I stumbled across this while looking at some new files recently uploaded. I just want to add that most yearbooks published in the US during the period this image is supposed to have been taken didn't have their copyright formally renewed prior to January 1, 1963; so, there's a good chance this image is actually now within the public domain as
{{PD-US-not renewed}}even if{{PD-US}}doesn't apply. -- Marchjuly (talk) 09:43, 2 January 2025 (UTC)- Thanks Marchjuly, should we just make the lisenxe {{PD-US-not renewed}} or leave it as it is? I'm hoping for a definite decision, since there are other College yearbooks I may use. I have another one from 1922, a Nortwestern publication. Thanks so much. I appreciate your help. Another commenter believes the 1930 yearbook was actually published in 1929, and therefore public domain by definition. Dcw2003 (talk) 17:20, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- You can just leave the current licensing as-is on the image. I'll take care of changing the licensing and moving it to Commons after close of discussion on Commons. As for a 1922 Northwestern University Yearbook, that would be clearly in the public domain now. The only issue with the Cobath image is that 1929 versus 1930 straddles the border between public domain and copyrighted when based solely on years. -- Whpq (talk) 18:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks Marchjuly, should we just make the lisenxe {{PD-US-not renewed}} or leave it as it is? I'm hoping for a definite decision, since there are other College yearbooks I may use. I have another one from 1922, a Nortwestern publication. Thanks so much. I appreciate your help. Another commenter believes the 1930 yearbook was actually published in 1929, and therefore public domain by definition. Dcw2003 (talk) 17:20, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Whpq and Dcw2003: I stumbled across this while looking at some new files recently uploaded. I just want to add that most yearbooks published in the US during the period this image is supposed to have been taken didn't have their copyright formally renewed prior to January 1, 1963; so, there's a good chance this image is actually now within the public domain as
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- I have a background as a swimmer in college and in Masters swimming. I worked as a professional technical writer for about fifteen years, longer if you count a few short jobs. Thanks so much for your kind words!!! They are greatly appreciated. Dcw2003 (talk) 17:19, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
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I've deleted over half of my talk page, all of which is rather extraneous. If you could just archive the rest, I'd be eternally gratefull, or I can move it to a Word Perfect file. Let me know if that will work. What remains is strictly text, and uses far less memory than before. I'll delete it if you'd prefer. Thanks!!! Glad to help.Dcw2003 (talk) Don't know how to archive.
- I set it up for ya.
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- Thanks!!! I was sorry to lose some of it, but I've worked on 1000's of wiki pages over 10 years, and it was just a list of the boxers I worked on when I first started. The rest was before I started using draft pages to write original documents; So all of that was copied to article pages. I'd love to ask you the occasional question. I sometimes have a lag getting editors, but not too bad lately. Is there any way to get training for some of wiki functions? Get togethers of editors? I miss some form of social connection with other editors. I'm in Dallas, Texas. Never met another wiki editor in my life after over 10 years. I was a former technical writer for over 20 years.
- Thanks!!!!!!!! Dcw2003 (talk) 21:30, 25 September 2025 (UTC)
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- Ok thanks!!!, Did you correct the issue yourself? Dcw2003 (talk) 00:33, 5 September 2025 (UTC)
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- This was from a draft only and has been corrected in the draft. Dcw2003 (talk) 14:50, 1 October 2025 (UTC)
- Copyrighted content is not allowed in any namespace on Wikipedia, including in draftspace. By my count this is your ninth warning for text copyright violations, not including all of the warnings you have received regarding image copyright. Please make sure you completely familiarise yourself with Wikipedia's copyright policy.
- Please also do not remove the tag at the top of the article again. An administrator needs to review this and redact the revision from the article's history. Thank you. MCE89 (talk) 14:56, 1 October 2025 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what text in the document is considered a violation of copyright. Its easy to edit, but takes a long time to have an editor wait to review what and where they believe there is a copyright violation. Its easy to remove the material that violates copyright. If you're referring to Ellis's overall record at the University of Vancouver, it has to be given verbatim and not edited to be accurate. My documents are very carefully edited to differ from source material. By me. Every word. Every document. Every time. Every sentence. Every letter. Every period. Every apostrophe. Every comma. If you catch more its because I write more. Much more. Much much more. More detailed. More accurate. More frequently.
- I have over thirty years writing professionally. And publishing articles. I noted the copyright violations can be removed quickly and replaced. Professional editors can't. Thank-you for your insight. Dcw2003 (talk) 15:05, 1 October 2025 (UTC)
- You copy pasted an entire paragraph from this website: https://swimmingcoach.org/page/HOF_earlellis. You can see the overlap between your article and the source here. MCE89 (talk) 15:09, 1 October 2025 (UTC)
- Actually I clicked on https://swimmingcoach.org/page/HOF_earlellis. You can see the overlap between your article and the source here. MCE89 (talk) 15:09, 1 October 2025 (UTC). Didn't find what you're referencing. The article Coach Earl Ellis states there is a : 7.4 % Violation unlikely
- 7.4% similarity. Is this worth threatening editors about blocking them from editing? I used a Draft page as a buffer so I could root out any problems before promoting them to article space. So I'm threatened about a Draft page. I understand the nature of copyright violations. I've edited over ONE THOUSAND wiki articles, and seen consistent copyright violations on nearly all of them which I've removed. This is difficult and time consuming. Many of these violations weren't cited because the original editors didn't use inline references. I do. I always do. I've added them to literally one thousand wiki articles. Check my statistics on number of edits. If i've been cited for 9 copyright violations in 1000 edited pages and about 150 original wiki pages which I've written from scratch, you might consider both the volume of work I've done, and the large large volume of other writers poorly written and unsourced information to which I've added inline sources and re-written thousands of poorly written sentences. Thanks. I appreciate your comments and hope I haven't offended you. Dcw2003 (talk) 16:57, 1 October 2025 (UTC)
- I didn't copy an "entire paragraph" on Coach Earl Ellis. I included the beginning and ending dates of the clubs and Universities at which he coached. And I put it in an infobox where its easier and quicker to find. Its essential information. Its the only way of verifying when he was coaching which team. And in an infobox it is more complete, easier to find, and simpler for a user to read and absorb. I know this because I was a technical writer for over 30 years. I wrote and published articles on how users could more rapidly access critical information without having to search through pages of text that aren't properly headed, organized, or placed in easily accessible form as in tables. Dcw2003 (talk) 17:04, 1 October 2025 (UTC)
- I'm extremely sorry for leaving an unedited paragraph in my draft version. I greatly appreciate your catching this and deleting the offending paragraph which I did not have time to edit. By the time I Opened the comparison file, the offending paragraph had been removed or deleted. Again I appreciate your catching this. I've noted that the script that compares text from a source to the Wiki documents I write often catch my "pledgarized" wiki articles that have changed the sentence structure entirely, and have actually only copied a few text strings from the original document. These text strings may be the years a coach worked at a particular club, or the name of an award, or other information that cannot or likely should not be altered. This usually should not involve a copyright infringement. The document I was using was either a University Hall of Fame Synopsys of Earl Ellis and/or an American Swimming Coaches Hall of Fame Document. I believe so. These are very frequently used as references. They're written to be used as references, as they promote the accomplishements of the swimmer or individual in question. The Universities are usually open for individuals to use statistics from their University Hall of Fame documents to be used in other documents, as is the College Swimming Coaches Hall of Fame. The information and statistics in these documents are used repeatedly. If you read the write up on the International Swimming Hall of Fame for a swimmer or coach, that data is used for multiple online documents repeatedly. If you believed I copied a long paragraphy or a short one verbatim, than that could be a distinct copyright issue. Thank-you for catching that. I hope we can reconcile what happened Dcw2003 (talk) 22:43, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
- You copy pasted an entire paragraph from this website: https://swimmingcoach.org/page/HOF_earlellis. You can see the overlap between your article and the source here. MCE89 (talk) 15:09, 1 October 2025 (UTC)
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- The crop of the larger photo is public domain. Why don't you add that to the file I've cropped?. Dcw2003 (talk) 15:50, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- I added the PD-US tag which should be appropriate for this photo. Read the file File:KealohaWarrenOlympicSwimmer.png if you need to double check anything. There is another file that is a cropped photo of the face that I could have used instead; File:Face detail, Warren Kealoha (cropped).png Dcw2003 (talk) 16:31, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for clarifying where the photo came from. FWIW, the responsibility of adding a copyright license for an uploaded file and information about its provenance is the of the person who uploads the file; this is because it's assumed that the person uploading the file knows where they got it from and has assessed its copyright status. I was just bringing this to your attention before one of the bots that looks for files lacking a copyright license found this particular one and tagged it for speedy deletion. I was guessing that the one you uploaded was a crop of a file upload to Commons, but wasn't sure. Now that you've clarified that, it will be easier to try and clean things up a bit. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:00, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- You don't need to do anything. I replaced my file with the original crop, File:Face detail, Warren Kealoha (cropped).png, which shouldn't need any additional changes. Check it out if you need to. I sure wish I could work with you face to face it would so much easier to communicate. Dcw2003 (talk) 22:04, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- I tagged the local file you uploaded with
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- I tagged the local file you uploaded with
- You don't need to do anything. I replaced my file with the original crop, File:Face detail, Warren Kealoha (cropped).png, which shouldn't need any additional changes. Check it out if you need to. I sure wish I could work with you face to face it would so much easier to communicate. Dcw2003 (talk) 22:04, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for clarifying where the photo came from. FWIW, the responsibility of adding a copyright license for an uploaded file and information about its provenance is the of the person who uploads the file; this is because it's assumed that the person uploading the file knows where they got it from and has assessed its copyright status. I was just bringing this to your attention before one of the bots that looks for files lacking a copyright license found this particular one and tagged it for speedy deletion. I was guessing that the one you uploaded was a crop of a file upload to Commons, but wasn't sure. Now that you've clarified that, it will be easier to try and clean things up a bit. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:00, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Ok, thanks for the prompt. I type and edit so quickly, I agree. Many of my edits are adding sources and these I will try to include an edit summary. For minor spelling or text edits, I usually don't add a edit summary, but I will try. Thanks!!! Dcw2003 (talk) 20:13, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for acknowledging. You might want to consider using the Draft namespace (or your user space) for future articles you create. In that space, you can pound away, perfecting the article, without need to explain anything. When you feel it's ready, you can then publish to mainspace. .Happy holidays! Stefen 𝕋ower Huddle • Handiwerk 20:22, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
- As an example, on Glenn Hummer, you are making a lot of edits like the article is in draft form, leaving no explanations for changes. After an article is published to mainspace, every further edit should be explained to fellow editors. This is professional courtesy that avoids the disruption of other editors having to try to read your mind. Stefen 𝕋ower Huddle • Handiwerk 20:13, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
- ok. Dcw2003 (talk) 20:15, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
- I usually only edit stubs, so I am typing quite quickly to add information. I'll leave more summaries, however, particularly when I'm editing larger documents. Thanks again. Dcw2003 (talk) 20:25, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
- I'm not seeing many edit summaries since our earlier discussion, and if you look at the first link in this discussion, it shows over 98% of your 70K+ edits have gone without one. I honestly see this as a real problem. How can I have the time to write a summary nearly 98% of the time, through 210K+ edits, and you cannot? I think is about how we value whether or not other editors in this ongoing co-editing process can understand what we're doing here. I care but I'm not sure that you do. If by chance this was brought up within a community case, I am all but certain the extreme lack of summaries will be seen as an issue.
- On top of this, in the case of Glenn Hummer, I don't understand how 5 out of every 6 citations are written to seemingly hamper verification. Since a lot of these come from newspapers, why isn't there some form of link, such as to newspapers.com? Unless you live next to a physical library with old newspaper access, I don't see how all these could have been looked up and utilized so quickly. If you happen to be using an LLM to generate source listings if not the content, I hope you will disclose this and do something to make it easier for readers and other editors to verify the content. We need to have more links for these at any rate.
- Both of these aspects are frustrating to deal with and I consider them to be serious problems in editing. If you can start to take them seriously as well, that would be good for you, the Wikipedia, its readers, and your fellow editors. Again, happy holidays! Stefen 𝕋ower Huddle • Handiwerk 02:02, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
- I have newspapers.com. I've looked up every single reference. You can't link to newspapers.com unless you have paid for it, so I give the full information regarding the reference each time. What's an LLM? I work hard and look up every newspaper.com reference. I've also added hundreds of references to other documents that had few or often no reference. Each reference has the full newspaper citation information. Including page, city, author, title. I appreciate your time, but I think your're telling me not to use newspapers.com. I take your comments seriously, I assure you. How would you prefer I cite newspaper articles? Again you cant link to newspapers.com unless you're paying for the service. I give the full citation of each newspaper.com article I site.
- I use online references in every document I've written as well. I'm not trying to hamper referencing. I'm sorry I'm confusing other writers. I'm adding edit summaries now. Do you want me to stop using newspapers.com? I am genuinely sorry this is an issue. I apologize for using books and newspapers. You're right. You would need a good library to look them all up. Dcw2003 (talk) 11:41, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
- I'm sorry. I don't mean to sound flippant or unconcerned. Anyone with newspapers.com access can find the newspapers.com reference by inputting the reference information. I don't exclusively use newspapers.com. Its more work and cost to use newspapers.com, since it takes a lot of work to find the proper article to back up each bit of information, and theres a monthly charge. I'm a former professional writer, and I do this full time, often seven days a week, so yes, I do look up each newspaper reference, and include all the available information. Many writers only use a "naked link". In fact, a large percentage of the articles I add detailed references to have naked links. Links often don't work long. Sometimes online links are old and no longer work at all. Detailed sourced newspaper references are what I use, when I cite newspapers but its true you'd need access to newspapers.com to find them quickly.
- Again, I'm sorry. I don't include enough comment lines. Some of my smaller edits are just centering the information in the info box. I don't always comment when I add information to the info boxes since the information is already on the page. Many of my articles (nearly all the 30 coaches I've done (swim coaches) are written first in Draft format. I don't add comment lines each time I include a category, but I can if you'd like. I think I have around 40 swimming coaches which I've written first in draft then moved to mainspace. They're very detailed articles, well referenced, fairly well written, and the infobox makes information much easier and quicker to find. I again I apoligize for not having enough comment lines. Dcw2003 (talk) 12:51, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
- Again I have about 40 articles which I've written in draft format first. They do have very few if any comment lines when I write them in draft space. I'd prefer to keep using newspaper articles from newspapers.com if possible. It takes quite a while to type all the reference information for each one. But I do. Each time. Dcw2003 (talk) 12:56, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
- I'm sorry. I don't mean to sound flippant or unconcerned. Anyone with newspapers.com access can find the newspapers.com reference by inputting the reference information. I don't exclusively use newspapers.com. Its more work and cost to use newspapers.com, since it takes a lot of work to find the proper article to back up each bit of information, and theres a monthly charge. I'm a former professional writer, and I do this full time, often seven days a week, so yes, I do look up each newspaper reference, and include all the available information. Many writers only use a "naked link". In fact, a large percentage of the articles I add detailed references to have naked links. Links often don't work long. Sometimes online links are old and no longer work at all. Detailed sourced newspaper references are what I use, when I cite newspapers but its true you'd need access to newspapers.com to find them quickly.
- Again, I'm sorry. I don't include enough comment lines. Some of my smaller edits are just centering the information in the info box. I don't always comment when I add information to the info boxes since the information is already on the page. Many of my articles (nearly all the 30 coaches I've done (swim coaches) are written first in Draft format. I don't add comment lines each time I include a category, but I can if you'd like. I think I have around 40 swimming coaches which I've written first in draft then moved to mainspace. They're very detailed articles, well referenced, fairly well written, and the infobox makes information much easier and quicker to find. I again I apoligize for not having enough comment lines. Dcw2003 (talk) 12:51, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
- Again I have about 40 articles which I've written in draft format first. They do have very few if any comment lines when I write them in draft space. I'd prefer to keep using newspaper articles from newspapers.com if possible. It takes quite a while to type all the reference information for each one. But I do. Each time. Dcw2003 (talk) 12:56, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
- I usually only edit stubs, so I am typing quite quickly to add information. I'll leave more summaries, however, particularly when I'm editing larger documents. Thanks again. Dcw2003 (talk) 20:25, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
- ok. Dcw2003 (talk) 20:15, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
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Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. Regarding your recent edits to Philip Daubenspeck when you modified the page, you introduced unknown parameters. Just because you specify |some_param=some_variable does not always mean that variable will display. The |some_param= must be defined in the template. You can look at the documentation for the template you are using but it is also helpful to use the preview button before you save your edit; this helps you find any errors you have made and ensure that the values you have added are displaying correctly. Below the edit box is a Show preview button. Pressing this will show you what the page will look like without actually saving it. It is strongly recommended that you use this before saving. Note I have likely fixed the error by now so check the history of the page to see how it was fixed. If you have any questions, contact the help desk for assistance.
Thank you. Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 02:45, 15 April 2026 (UTC)
Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. Regarding your recent edits to Russell Webb (water polo) when you modified the page, you introduced unknown parameters. Just because you specify |some_param=some_variable does not always mean that variable will display. The |some_param= must be defined in the template. You can look at the documentation for the template you are using but it is also helpful to use the preview button before you save your edit; this helps you find any errors you have made and ensure that the values you have added are displaying correctly. Below the edit box is a Show preview button. Pressing this will show you what the page will look like without actually saving it. It is strongly recommended that you use this before saving. Note I have likely fixed the error by now so check the history of the page to see how it was fixed. If you have any questions, contact the help desk for assistance.
Thank you. Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 22:04, 25 April 2026 (UTC)
CS1 error on Aria Fischer
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May 2026
Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. Regarding your recent edits to Robert Hughes (swimmer) when you modified the page, you introduced unknown parameters. Just because you specify |some_param=some_variable does not always mean that variable will display. The |some_param= must be defined in the template. You can look at the documentation for the template you are using but it is also helpful to use the preview button before you save your edit; this helps you find any errors you have made and ensure that the values you have added are displaying correctly. Below the edit box is a Show preview button. Pressing this will show you what the page will look like without actually saving it. It is strongly recommended that you use this before saving. Note I have likely fixed the error by now so check the history of the page to see how it was fixed. If you have any questions, contact the help desk for assistance.
Thank you. Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 22:27, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
Hello. Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. I noticed that your recent edit to Robert Hughes (swimmer) did not have an edit summary. Collaboration among editors is fundamental to Wikipedia, and every edit should be explained by a clear edit summary, or by discussion on the talk page. Please use the edit summary field to explain your reasoning for an edit or to describe what it changes. Summaries save time for other editors and reduce the chances that your edit will be misunderstood. For some edits, an adequate summary may be quite brief.
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Thanks! Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 22:28, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
- Is there a reason you chose to ignore the 2 messages I posted above? You have done the same thing on Daniel Hackett (water polo). Introduced parameters that do not exist and made over a dozen edits without a single edit summary. Please explain. Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 17:16, 31 May 2026 (UTC)
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June 2026
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