1stViscountessNivlac

August 2024

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Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:42, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

DYK advice

Hi, I see Thomas Bouchier was your first nomination. When I start an article, which I might want to nominate for DYK, I start with a draft or userspace page, and only publish when I think it is ready for DYK and I have thought of a hook. I use the DYK check tool or the page size gadget to check the article is long enough, ideally with some leeway, in case a few words get removed or the reviewer thinks it is still a stub.

Obviously you will find what works for you, rather than what works for me. As you may have noticed, DYK is now in backlog mode (WP:DYKUBM), where experienced nominators are doing extra reviews, so hopefully your nomination will be reviewed fairly soon.

I try to keep an eye on the nomination and later the prep and queue the until the hook gets to main page. There can be last minute queries, hopefully in that case you would be pinged. TSventon (talk) 15:13, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

DNB

Just so you know, the Dictionary of National Biography is usually considered a sufficient source on its own. The DNB is the main reason why the WP:GNG says "There is no fixed number of sources required" and that "multiple sources are generally expected" – "generally", aka "not always". WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:12, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

Fair enough. Presuming this is about John Martin, I certainly was a bit hasty and/or sloppy in how I went about it. Thanks for the heads up. Nivlac, 1st Viscountess Nivlac (talk) 08:33, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

You're welcome. It'd help everyone if we wrote down some of these unwritten rules, but some things are surprisingly difficult. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:34, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

The bit about the DNB is written down at Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Additional criteria. If anything, there is so much guidance that hardly anyone is going to read it all. TSventon (talk) 21:34, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

Huh, well what do you know. I still think the complete lack of actual biographical detail on Martin (I should go add what seems to be the second fact about him, that he went to the University of Edinburgh, to his article) means he can’t possibly be notable, but if that’s the policy then the card says moops. Nivlac, 1st Viscountess Nivlac (talk) 21:44, 7 June 2026 (UTC)