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Long term combative editor, WP:OWN, etc

Hi, I mostly edit automobile articles, which is rarely the source of much strife. Facts are not too hard to come by for cars. Over the last few years, however, I find myself constantly knocking heads with one and the same editor. I have a number of issues with the editor in question, triggered by a long running disagreement over units. I will not ask you to judge this particular argument over metric versus imperial horsepower, because it might be too narrow for anyone to care about.

However, in the last few months I find myself constantly coming up against repeated combative behavior, behavior

quote by OSX, removing BMW content en masse

ownership by Carmaker1

PS/ch is alive and well with manufacturers: Peugeot 505, official technical description, Piëch's target number was 1001PS, .  Mr.choppers | ✎  16:54, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Here, Avi8tor complains about confusing wording - wording they themselves wrote!

Table

Model Year	Dodge Neon			Plymouth Neon			Chrysler Neon (export only)	Annual Total
	Coupe	Sedan	Yearly Total	Coupe	Sedan	Yearly Total
1995	33,800	204,647	238,447	27,320	176,967	204,287	54,976	497,710
1996	38,407	79,247	147,110	30,847	84,635	115,482	24,801	287,393
1997	33,517	99,605	133,122	24,890	72,217	97,107	25,166	255,395
1998	34,500	125,249	159,749	21,902	81,806	103,708	19,321	282,778
1999	19,570	43,025	62,595	11,924	31,674	43,598	13,605	119,798
Totals			741,023			564,182	137,869	1,443,074

Old

http://papers.sae.org/840055/

Myanmar auto market https://web.archive.org/web/20181121052345/http://myanmartimes.tripod.com/cgi-bin/search.pl?id=256&view=detail&search=mazda

issue containing content re Mazda B600

Power and torque

The power rating for cars from metric countries should be shown in kilowatts (kW), with horsepower (hp) in parentheses. For metric cars built before 1972 or where the original unit as used in a majority of reliable sources is in metric horsepower (PS, also known as cv, ch, hk etcetera, depending on the country of origin) use metric horsepower first. Metric horsepower (PS) may complement hp in parentheses, to assist in verifying references or when the unit is closely linked with the vehicle. Be aware that sources frequently confuse metric and imperial horsepower since they are very similar.

American cars will use horsepower (hp) with kilowatts (kW) in parentheses, and British cars will use brake horsepower (bhp) with kilowatts (kW) in parentheses.

The torque rating for cars from metric countries should be shown in Newton metres (N·m), with pound-feet (lb·ft, not ft·lb or ft·lbf) in parentheses. Cars from America, Great Britain and other imperial countries should have the torque stated in pound-feet (lb·ft), followed by Newton metres (N·m) in parentheses. If reliable sources use kilopondmetres, use a conversion template to get the correct output while maintaining N·m as the leading unit. There is usually no need to include the value in kg·m.

Examples:

Home market	Power		Torque
	template	output	template	output
Europe, Japan, etc.	{{cvt|100|PS|kW hp|0}}	100 PS (74 kW; 99 hp)	{{cvt|18.4|kgm|Nm lbft|0|order=out}}	180 N⋅m (133 lb⋅ft)
	{{cvt|74|kW|PS hp|0}}	74 kW (101 PS; 99 hp)	{{cvt|180|Nm|lbft|0}}	180 N⋅m (133 lb⋅ft)
United States	{{cvt|100|hp|kW|0}}	100 hp (75 kW)	{{cvt|133|lbft|Nm|0}}	133 lb⋅ft (180 N⋅m)
Great Britain	{{cvt|100|bhp|kW|0}}	100 bhp (75 kW)	{{cvt|133|lbft|Nm|0}}	133 lb⋅ft (180 N⋅m)

When converting units, use of the {{cvt}} template with the "order=flip" or "order=out" option allows the units to be displayed in the desired order while avoiding any conversion inaccuracies, e.g. {{cvt|100|PS|kW|0|order=flip}} results in "74 kW (100 PS)"; otherwise use of {{cvt|74|kW|PS|0}} results in the inaccurate result of "74 kW (101 PS)".