Template:Did you know nominations/John Hoke III

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by BorgQueen (talk) 05:07, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

John Hoke III

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• ... that John Hoke III, the Chief Design Officer of Nike, Inc., has described drawing as his first language (Hoke is dyslexic)? Source: https://timesensitive.fm/episode/john-hoke-on-technology-as-a-co-conspirator-in-creativity/
  • ALT0a: ... that John Hoke III, who is dyslexic and the Chief Design Officer of Nike, has described drawing as his first language? Source: https://timesensitive.fm/episode/john-hoke-on-technology-as-a-co-conspirator-in-creativity/
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  • Comment: Please see transcript of cited source interview for specific "hook" reference to Hoke's dyslexia. (He has spoken widely about this, and there are many other sources — several of which are also used in the article.) Thank you, -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 05:13, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Moved to mainspace by Cl3phact0 (talk). Self-nominated at 08:30, 10 January 2023 (UTC).

Background discussion

** Comment: Not sure why the article appears as a redlink. (It does exist.) (fixed)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: - Not done
Overall: A worthwhile bio. Although it's not very long, it's more than just a resume. Hook is interesting and fully substantiated by the only source I needed to look at. As usual, I've done some (very) minor copyediting. Needs a QPQ if the author is not exempt. Otherwise ready to go. Bahnfrend (talk) 05:24, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Hello Bahnfrend, I may have left my response to yours (re: QPQ) in the wrong place. Just in case, I'll summarize what I said here (apologies for the repetition if it's redundant): Thanks for reviewing the John Hoke article. I will read QPQ, and if eligible I'll gladly oblige. Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 21:30, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Re: QPQ eligibility, please see additional response here. Thank you, Cl3phact0 (talk) 18:53, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Cl3phact0 Sorry about the very slow response. I have a lot of other things on my mind. I confirm that you're exempt from QPQ. Ready to go. Bahnfrend (talk) 06:08, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Comment. This article cannot be promoted until all the "clarification needed" tags have been resolved. Cielquiparle (talk) 14:04, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

@Bahnfrend and Cl3phact0: per Cielquiparle's notes. Also, the hook can't contain parenthetical comments. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 07:08, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

@Theleekycauldron: Thanks for your help! Re: Hoke "Hook" (ehem), would this wording work:

• ... that John Hoke III, who is dyslexic and the Chief Design Officer of Nike, has described drawing as his first language? Source: https://timesensitive.fm/episode/john-hoke-on-technology-as-a-co-conspirator-in-creativity/

Re: Cielquiparle's comment concerning the "clarification needed" tags (which were placed by me) — these concern details of temporal minutia which I had hoped someone might clarify in the interim (respectively: whether he joined Nike in '92 or '93; and if he was 12 or 13 when he, rather cheekily, wrote to the company's CEO proposing a design concept). I will try to locate a definitive source and update (the Time Sensitive ref seems to answer this, but it's in Hoke's own words, so I wasn't sure vis-à-vis WP:RS). Alternatively, could the tags be replaced with {{Better source needed}} or {{Fact}} tags instead (or simply removed given the relatively minor nature of the discrepancy)? -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 08:48, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Works for me, but I'll leave the final tick to Cielquiparle :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 08:52, 20 February 2023 (UTC) (oy, 'Cielquiparle' is a hard name to shorten. If you have a preference, that'd be helpful.)

@Cl3phact0: This is an important bio – excellent addition to Wikipedia. Appreciate that you found a lot of good sources. The fact that you are a self-tagger also demonstrates attention to detail. I have now rearranged some of the content on the page to conform more or less to standard Wikipedia biography format (of which there is quite a range). I have also expanded the "Early life and education" section to resolve the tag you had there, and added an explanatory notes section where you can discuss any discrepancies between sources. (I used the efn template in visual editor.) As for next steps to get this article in shape for the main page: 1) Careers section. What are the main highlights of Hoke's career at Nike per the sources? Not convinced they are captured in the article yet. 2) Sources. Please make sure you are familiar with WP:BLP and specifically WP:BLPSOURCES. I have already removed a couple of sources for various reasons (e.g., one was simply republishing another), but please note that quality of sources matters more than quantity, and there may be other sources you can go ahead and "cull" if they are likely to trigger the BLP police which does NOT tolerate blogs as sources for BLPs, or if they just repeat what other sources say. For this reason as well, it's good to fill out as much of the ref form as you can (e.g., include the author, etc.), so that people know what the actual source is (sometimes you have to read the fine print to understand where the content actually originated). Cielquiparle (talk) 05:41, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, Cielquiparle. Very helpful advice and counsel. The article is much improved by your contributions. The anecdote about the pool raft is great too! I wonder if Nike put him on the patent application as the inventor, or co-inventor, or something? That would be interesting information. Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 08:12, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

PS: I have a technical question about the efn template which I'll put on your Talk page, if anyone's interested in these things.

PPS: Thank you also for introducing me to the term "self-tagger" (a practice which seemed self-evident to me, but I gather not to everyone).

@Theleekycauldron: Is it okay to edit the Hoke Hook directly in this thread (i.e., replace the original with the version sans-parenthesis), or is there a different/better way this should be done? Thanks, Cl3phact0 (talk) 09:24, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

@Cl3phact0: Standard practice is usually to, on a neẇline, suggest an ALT0a ('ALT' meaning "alternate hook", '0a' meaning "slight modification on ALT0"). See Template:Did you know nominations/Claudia Riner for an example on how that's done :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 05:51, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

 Done (see above). Thank you, theleekycauldron. -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 05:50, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Cielquiparle, theleekycauldron, what is currently holding up this nomination? Are there issues with ALT0a? Should I be calling for a new reviewer? Thanks for your help in getting this moving forward again. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:56, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Calling for a new reviewer. Cielquiparle (talk) 16:22, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

@Cl3phact0 and Cielquiparle: (should anyone else be tagged?) I believe this is good to go. I reviewed using Earwig's copyvio detector and looked at the sourcing. I also looked a bit at the changes that have been made following the conversation above. I approve ALT0a. = paul2520 💬 16:22, 28 March 2023 (UTC)