Talk:William Morgan (actuary)

British or Welsh?

@Scootertop: I want to challenge your reverts of the description of Morgan from Welsh to British:

• rvt POV edits by blocked editor
• Rvt undiscussed edits to last clean version

As I said in an edit summary, an editor being blocked is not sufficient reason to revert their edits. Also, it is not clear that Llywelyn2000's original edits were point-of-view edits. Your second edit summary suggests that edits should be discussed before they are made – this is not how Wikipedia works, you should give a valid reason when reverting.

The description as 'Welsh' was sourced to the Dictionary of Welsh Biography. While this does not explicitly say he was Welsh, is gives several reasons why we should describe him as Welsh:

1. He was born in Wales
2. His family home was in Wales
3. His mother was a Welsh speaker, and he probably spoke Welsh as a boy
4. He wrote in his diary that he had a 'Welsh temper'
5. One of the sources cited in the Dictionary of Welsh Biography article is the 1885 book A Welsh family from the beginning of the 18th century edited by Caroline E. Williams. This book appears to be about William Morgan's family (I have only glanced at a few pages), and its title indicates that they were considered to be Welsh.

Please clarify why he should not be described as Welsh. Verbcatcher (talk) 22:28, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

No, you don't need to give a valid reason when reverting - all articles about persons are protected and the policy specifically states that unsourced and unsubstantiated insertions "may be removed". The policy states that we must have specific sources for why a person should be stated to be some restricted nationality other than that of citizenship and general opinions are of interest but that's not the same as evidence.--Scootertop (talk) 08:16, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

The reasons given for asserting Welsh are primarily hand-waving and are purely subjective. I can also have a "Welsh temper" and after living in Africa for much of my early years I acquired a "Zimbabwean tan." My parents who migrated to Zimbabwe before I was born considered themselves both British and, later Zimbabwean, before departing after they retired. I am neither Welsh nor Zimbabwean. Morgan is quite correctly described as British.--82.132.223.186 (talk) 11:33, 15 September 2025 (UTC)