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This article is anti-white propaganda. No other ethnicites are attacked like this. Whenever contrary reliable sources are brought up they are declared undue weight because it doesn't fit the overall narrative. The accepted "reliable sources" are liberal sources. I want Wikipedia to be good but when I come here I am at a loss at how it can be so blatantly-in-your face racist against white people.

How about we start with including this source? RandomUser3510 (talk) 12:59, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

This article does not say anything that anyone could possibly construe as negative about whites. It discusses the phrase "white pride" and its use by white supremacists/white nationalists/white separatists/"race realists"/"racialists" and other racist whites. That this is the primary use of the phrase is well attested in the sources cited. This article is bout that use.

The repeated claims that the phrase is used in non-racist settings to describe some sense of neutral belonging is poorly sourced and -- to the extent it exists -- would be a different topic. - SummerPhD^v2.0 16:45, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

"It is poorly sourced" here is at least one source. White pride is defined in it:

“white pride” is effectively a rebellion against neoliberal market forces that erode tribal loyalties, national boundaries, and cultural uniqueness by encouraging open borders, multiculturalism, and individualistic forms of agency associated with competition and consumerism.

It is more towards the term being as a reaction to neoliberalism and political correctness. The current version of Wikipedia article does go into this a little but not much at the end of the "Use as an identity marker" section. I think adding this source would help the article.RandomUser3510 (talk) 18:07, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

That is an interesting take on the white pride movement, but is by no means the consensus understanding of the term. We should use that source, but not for the primary definition used in the article. EvergreenFir (talk) 18:33, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, um, "interesting". The first cite I ran across was Jared Taylor, a prominent white supremacist, for the claim that "different races are genetically predisposed to different abilities".

It's important that we understand who the author thinks the "alt-right" is. The author tells us the "well-known voices" of the alt-right: Taylor, white nationalist Greg Johnson, "anti-semitic conspiracy theorist, white supremacist" Kevin MacDonald, Vox Day "described as a white supremacist", Mike Enoch a "neo-Nazi, anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist", "white supremacist, and antisemitic conspiracy theorist" Colin Robertson and "neo-Nazi and white supremacist organization" Identity Evropa. (For BLP issues, the quotes are from our articles on the subjects.)

So, yeah, the author is telling us what the white nationalist, white supremacists, neo-Nazis and antisemites say the phrase means.

Oh, wait, the author addresses that: "contrary to the negative images often ascribed to neo-confederates, neo-Nazis, or Ku Klux Klan members as inbred bumpkins, toothless rednecks, or psychotic skinheads, the alt-right is primarily comprised of college-educated, white men who genuinely believe in the need for racial tribalism and white advocacy in a globalizing world governed by consumerism, multiculturalism, and anti-white hostility." Well, that's reassuring... who's his source for that? Gregory Hood. Who? Oh my. - SummerPhD^v2.0 20:20, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

• @RandomUser3510: The idea of white pride is literally "golly, ain't it wonderful to not be one of them minorities?" It is inherently a white supremacist idea. If you do not see yourself as a racist, you need to rethink your life and confront some assumptions you were programmed with. It's going to be uncomfortable but you'll be a better person for doing so. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:35, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

@SummerPhD: So anyone SPLC disagrees with is not a reliable source? You just proved my point: only liberal sources are considered reliable sources. So much for NPOV. My suggestion for an edit would be expand the "Use as an identity marker" section using some of that source's material. It is in a recently published academic journal it seems reliable to me.

@Ian.thomson: You are accusing me of being racist that is a personal attack.

Comment on content, not on the contributor

Also I disagree with that definition but that is beside the point that devolves into notaforum territory so I won't go any further..RandomUser3510 (talk) 00:19, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

If you admit to believing racist things, then you are... fill in the blank. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:36, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

I don't agree with white supremacist views I just want to improve the article. I made an edit including that academic journal entry. It seems better to me now RandomUser3510 (talk) 00:59, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

@RandomUser3510: It really doesn't matter what you want us to pretend you believe believe if your actions are to present white supremacist talking points as mainstream views. Ian.thomson (talk) 11:37, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

I did not say that "anyone SPLC disagrees with is not a reliable source". That is your invention. I said that the source you are citing is discussing how white supremacists, neo-Nazis and antisemites talk about the term. Why on Earth would I say something like that? Because the author is quoting an extensive list of white supremacists, neo-Nazis and antisemites. You seem to be disengenuously pretending that is not the case. - SummerPhD^v2.0 01:08, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Maybe I misunderstood you then. RandomUser3510 (talk) 01:13, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Maybe. Let me clarify: I say "Gregory Hood" is a white supremacist not because SPLC says he is, but because he exists solely as a pen name in American Renaissance, a white supremacist publication from a white supremacist publisher at a white supremacist organization funded by white supremacists. Wikipedia says similar things about all of the other white supremacists, neo-Nazis and antisemites because that's what reliable sources say about them. If we had an article in "Gregory Hood", we'd of course be having repeated discussions about whether they are a white supremacist, white nationalist, white separatist, "racial realist" or some other label racists dream up for them that seems a bit more palatable. Bottom line: The article you are citing is discussing what white supremacists, neo-Nazis and antisemites want to pretend "white pride" means. - SummerPhD^v2.0 02:00, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

OK I went ahead and made an edit to the article including the source as a sentence at the bottom of the "Use as an identity marker" section.

"White pride" has also been described as being a reaction to neoliberalism and political correctness

RandomUser3510 (talk) 02:34, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

How is that a reasonable summary of an article that is discussing what white supremacists, neo-Nazis and antisemites want to pretend "white pride" means...? Ian.thomson (talk) 11:37, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

I may have made the edit too terse to fully explain the article. RandomUser3510 (talk) 12:05, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

And doing so mainstreamed white supremacist talking points, something the alt-right wants to achieve and which they have no problem pretending to make mistakes to try to accomplish. Ian.thomson (talk) 12:58, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Please stop with the accusations and attacks. If you wanted me to expand my edit more then I can try and do that (just say that) but please don't play this game of making accusations against me. I'm trying to be nice here. Do you want accusations against you? RandomUser3510 (talk) 14:39, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Here is a PDF of the academic journal entry RandomUser3510 (talk) 14:43, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

I expanded the reference used in the article to include the PDF link. In its current state I would say the article has been improved. For me at least my original complaint is fixed.  Done for me RandomUser3510 (talk) 15:18, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

@RandomUser3510: Pointing out clear patterns in a user's behavior is not a personal attack. Literally all but three of your edits in this and the past two years has been to push white supremacist talking points. Thanks to the PDF you've provided, I've fixed the citation even further from the intellectually dishonest one you gave to a quote that more clearly shows that the alt-right is using neoliberalism as an excuse after the fact to justify their use of a white supremacist slogan. Ian.thomson (talk) 21:51, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

People like you are why I don't engage with Wikipedia that much. You have done nothing but insult me the entire time I've been here RandomUser3510 (talk) 22:21, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

And there we have it people, Ian.thomson is trying to get me banned and deleted from here because I defied him and made some edits a few years ago. I admit I could have been less incendiary when I first edited a few days ago, but this type of reaction is over the top and abusive. RandomUser3510 (talk) 22:28, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

There you go again lying about literally all but three of your actions on this site for this and the past two years. It's not "a few years ago," it's continued behavior. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:44, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Am I the only person that has actually read the abstract of the Esposito article properly? Claiming he says “white pride” is effectively a rebellion against neoliberal market forces that erode tribal loyalties, national boundaries, and cultural uniqueness by encouraging open borders, multiculturalism, and individualistic forms of agency associated with competition and consumerism is a substantial misrepresentation of the abstract. The sentence in full reads First, calls among many alt-righters for white Americans to regain a sense of racial identity and “white pride” is effectively a rebellion against neoliberal market forces that erode tribal loyalties, national boundaries, and cultural uniqueness by encouraging open borders, multiculturalism, and individualistic forms of agency associated with competition and consumerism. He's making a single point, hence the use of "First" (and the next sentence begins with "Second"). So his sentence can't be split, his point is about alt-righters regaining a sense of racial identity and “white pride”, he's not defining white pride at all. FDW777 (talk) 22:27, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Ooops, I saw @Ian.thomson: had drastically changed the problematic version, somehow without me seeing it. Self-reverted. FDW777 (talk) 22:45, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

The article needs proper capitalization, as in Black Power

The article even begins with this:

>Sociologists Betty A. Dobratz and Stephanie L. Shanks-Meile identified "White Power! White Pride!" as "a much-used chant of white separatist movement supporters",

Clearly, it's capitalized words. No need for italics too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.173.114.12 (talk) 15:50, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

You are blending together several different reasons for capitalization. The phrase "white pride" is simply an expression, with no reason for capitalization of either word (unless it is at the beginning of a sentence. I have no idea why the sociologists in question used the capitalization they did; other sources do not. Ditto "white power". Both are phrases used by white supremacists (a.k.a. white separatists, white nationalists, racial realists, racialists, etc.) and not movements in their own right.

"Black Power" is the name of an ideology. As such, it is a proper noun. Proper nouns are -- with rare exceptions -- always capitalized in English.

The word "Black", when used to refer to people of African descent, is capitalized as a shared cultural identity, similar to an ethnicity or a demonym, though not referring to a specific country. The New York Times, CJR, Associated Press and others reflect this in their current style guides.

Capitalization of the word "White" in reference to the "race" is not yet common and it is rarely seen as an ethnicity. - SummerPhD^v2.0 02:57, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

This is both a slogan (a "much used chant", as this article itself begins as proclaiming with that quote opening it) and an at least one movement (namely the White Power Skinheads, which Wikipedia itself counts it as a movement by counting it in the section "Parties and movements" in the box at the bottom while it's not party). And also that's only just Black Power but also Red Power, and I don't think the Amerindians are more than very rarely referred to as the capital R "Red race" and yet Wikipedia doesn't fail to capitalise both "Red" and "Power" in this case. Now as for the other political chant type slogans on Wikipedia (once again, the article begins with a quote claiming it is "a much-used chant"), these include for example ACAB of the anarchists where it's all capitalised no matter anything, and yet it's always all capitalised even when it's about the full slogan ("All Cops Are Bastards") and not just the acronym. That one was just one from top of my head. But same with for another example Death to America, just checked and it's always the capitalised Death and not just death. It's a clearly established standard. And no italics in neither, too. Actually the same with Make America Great Again for that matter, on the the very same subject of what to do with the USA. So that's all kinds of chants from very different ideologies, but always being capitalised (and never italicised) except only this one.

This was really all I had to say and it's all pretty obvious, please don't bother me again to come back here to argue with you back and forth, just consider what I said. Rewrite the article however you want, but it has to be rewritten to at very least be internally consistent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.173.114.12 (talk) 06:47, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

I won't "bother" you with an argument. I considered what you said. I disagree and do not intend to rewrite the article. - SummerPhD^v2.0 22:17, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 June 2020

The start of the article incorrectly states that "White pride, or white power, is an expression primarily used by white separatist, white nationalist, neo-Nazi and white supremacist organizations in order to signal racist or racialist viewpoints. It is also a slogan used by the prominent post-Ku Klux Klan group Stormfront and a term used to make racist/racialist viewpoints more palatable to the general public who may associate historical abuses with the terms white nationalist, neo-Nazi, and white supremacist."

This should be changed to "White pride is an expression primarily used by white people to refer to the pride they have in their heritage. The idea of white pride is often mistaken to have racist undertones due to groups such as the post-Ku Klux Klan group Stormfront. However, their views are not representative of the majority of law abiding white people who profess to have white pride." 95.151.234.111 (talk) 08:55, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done The idea of white pride is literally "golly, ain't it wonderful to not be one of them minorities?" It is inherently a white supremacist idea. If you do not see yourself as a racist, you need to rethink your life and confront some assumptions you were programmed with. It's going to be uncomfortable but you'll be a better person for doing so. Ian.thomson (talk) 09:59, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

" If you do not see yourself as a racist, you need to rethink your life " - No personal attacks. RandomUser3510 (talk) 12:51, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Advising someone to change course under the assumption that they are a decent person opposed to racism is not a personal attack. Why are you so triggered by that? Do you want the IP to be racist? Ian.thomson (talk) 22:33, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Ideological spouting is not allowed on Wikipedia, including on talk pages, which are meant to discuss how to improve the article. This includes opinions like "white pride is inherently a white supremacist idea." Kindly stop using the talk page as a forum for your opinion. 92.206.142.146 (talk) 17:12, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Why add all the "used by racists, nazis, white supremacists blabla" things?

FAQ. Read it. EvergreenFir (talk) 21:16, 29 January 2021 (UTC) The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

But not do the same for articles about black pride, asian pride etc...? https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/anNLr2L_460s.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.29.232.121 (talk) 17:56, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

See FAQ #1 and #2 at the top of the page. FDW777 (talk) 18:30, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Because the movements "Asian pride, Black pride, and LGBTQ Pride," aren't affiliated with racial/sexual supremacy whereas white pride is. The article actually describes how "white pride" is different from "black pride." The black pride movement originated with the civil rights movement whereas the white pride movement originated with racial supremacists for the purpose of establishing racial supremacy. In addition, Asian and LGBTQ pride are not racially based, you can be Asian and be white, you can be LGBTQ and also be white. The only difference would be the black pride movement which as mentioned before has is an anti-racist movement meant to ameliorate past conditions, there are no such past conditions in regards to shared experiences for the white community. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Desibanter (talk • contribs) 23:10, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Comparing the openings of the "Black pride", "Asian pride" and "White pride" articles.

Read the FAQ at the top of the page. EvergreenFir (talk) 21:16, 29 January 2021 (UTC) The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

"Black pride is a movement that encourages black people to celebrate black culture and embrace their African heritage."

"Asian pride is a term utilized by people all over the world to celebrate their Asian ethnicity but It also has various origins and meanings."

"White pride, or white power, is an expression primarily used by white separatist, white nationalist, neo-Nazi and white supremacist organizations in order to signal racist or racialist viewpoints."

Hmm... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.147.58.23 (talk) 22:02, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Read the rest of this page, as you should have done before you posted your comment. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:06, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

I know that the majority of my ancestry is Scottish, with some Irish, a few drops of English and Viking, and one Slav from eastern Germany. I can find out what my family's crest and motto are with a simple websearch. I have an ancestor buried on the grounds of my home state's capital (the only person buried there), and I can point out what plot of land my ancestors owned in my home city. I don't need to be proud of being born "white," which is just melanin-deficiency once you remove any benefits gained from institutional racism... So white pride would be either pride in being able to sunburn (which is stupid) or pride in that institutional racism (and there's no way to be proud of that without being a racist).

Most black Americans have no way of discovering their ancestry. Their history before a few hundred years ago was wiped out. Even if they figure out what culture they came from, much of that was also destroyed through colonialism. It's reasonable enough for them to say "we came from somewhere in Africa, we survived centuries of oppression, and we should be proud of this." Ian.thomson (talk) 22:38, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Why is White Pride bad, but any other race Prise isn't?

This is not a forum to discuss the topic per se. EvergreenFir (talk) 21:15, 29 January 2021 (UTC) The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

This has been playing on my mind for a bit. I've seen how races are able to be proud of themselves and use the term (race) Pride, but White Pride is the only one that is completely negative and inaccurate. This relates more to white supremacist, White Pride is being proud to be white. I don't get how that if someone says they're proud to be white and want to use the term White Pride is bad? I get there has been MANY unfairness, but really? Now every white person is seen as a "white supremacist" "neo-nazi" and whatever else was mentioned in this article. FreyaGoddess777 (talk) 17:29, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

"Now every white person is seen as a "white supremacist" "neo-nazi" " Do you have sources for this assertion? Dimadick (talk) 18:07, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Since it's rhetorical hyperbole, they cannot possibly have a cite to back that up. I do agree that they probably don't "get" it. Beyond My Ken (talk) 21:14, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Unlock please

Why is white pride bad and gay pride good? Surely both are bad. Pride is a deadly sin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 36.11.225.64 (talk) 01:39, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 June 2020

White pride, or white power, is an expression primarily used by white separatist, white nationalist, neo-Nazi and white supremacist organizations in order to signal racist or racialist viewpoints. It is also a slogan used by the prominent post-Ku Klux Klan group Stormfront and a term used to make racist/racialist viewpoints more palatable to the general public who may associate historical abuses with the terms white nationalist, neo-Nazi, and white supremacist.

Addendum: "White pride" may have at one time been considered racist verbiage in today's society it is being used more as a defensive language as pertains to European or Western Culture. As we see with other forms of pride such as Black pride or LGBT Pride, we see that it should not be racist to also take pride in one's own anglo or "White" heritage. For if all races are to be equal then we all should be able to share the joy of our own unique culture and background without backlash. Notice also the exclusion of the word "Power" just like Black Power or any other form of Race(Power) it is to its root a racist and supremacist term. Theologian.Augustine (talk) 19:43, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

White pride cannot be equated with European culture or Western culture, there are separate movements for both of these two concepts. Take into consideration the history of the other groups you've mentioned. Black Pride and LGBTQ Pride have origins in civil rights movements that went against the thesis of white/straight pride. One group is establishing equality whereas the others show tendency to supremacy. There is no one unified white culture as every single white person (myself included) doesn't share the same experiences.

References

 Not done: You will need to a) provide reliable sources, b) provide a suitable edit in an 'from X to Y' format, and c) establish WP:CONSENSUS for this change first. Best, Darren-M talk 21:02, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

False, consensus is not required for changes to be made. If somebody has a reliable source, they should be bold and make an edit. 92.206.142.146 (talk) 17:09, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

...except, of course, for when the article's protection level conflicts with the editor's status, as was the case here. - SummerPhD^v2.0 01:23, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

We have discussed this repeatedly. The article reflects what independent reliable sources say about the slogan. Please review the FAQ at the top of this page, the rest of the talk page and the archives for further information. - SummerPhD^v2.0 21:04, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 June 2021

White pride is a movement that encourages white people to celebrate white culture and embrace their European heritage. MCNational (talk) 23:53, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done Please see the FAQ above. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:24, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 November 2021

2600:387:6:80F:0:0:0:5C (talk) 22:13, 18 November 2021 (UTC) white pride , is having pride in your race , and heritage

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. EvergreenFir (talk) 22:24, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Incorrect information

While White Supremacists may use this as a slogan, this is a misinterpretation. I don't see the Black Pride page talking about Black supremacists. White pride is simply pride for white culture, race, and our ancestors. This page should be similar to that of the Asian Pride and Black Pride pages. I don't see Arab Pride marked by 9/11 l. Please reconsider the racism in this article. Kameraad Elmo (talk) 22:38, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Exactly. These terms dont actually mean anything and are meant to be defamatory against White people who have a racial consciousness. 68.193.197.60 (talk) 01:03, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Read the FAQ. Acroterion (talk) 01:07, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

The differences in the usages of [insert race] pride throughout Wikipedia

Read Q2 of the FAQ at the top of this page EvergreenFir (talk) 06:35, 24 December 2021 (UTC) The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Why is it that this is the only page that says upfront that pride for THIS specific race is “racist” while others (ex: black pride, Asian pride) have no such thing? I don’t want a copy paste response from Wikipedia authors, nor do I want to deal with pests calling me an evil whitey just because I’m asking a valid question. If you reply with “it’s racist because [insert racist group] uses it” I’ll immediately ignore you because racist groups (regardless of race) also use equal terms. 2600:1700:BD0:73E0:B934:2BA6:287A:95DC (talk) 05:56, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

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White pride

repetitive disruption because some people were offended

Why is the definition of "white pride" so different than any other pride available? Every other pride is celebrated and made proud of with dignity and honor. However, if you're proud to be white, like some are proud to have black pride, gay pride, LGBTQ pride, Trans pride, black history month, and everything that separates us. Why is it not ok to be proud you're white when everyone but white is celebrated? Are only whites racist? I think not! You are blaming one race for all of society's issues. No white person should ever have to be ashamed they are having " white pride" just as no POC should be ashamed of black pride. It's the labels such as you did to teach generations behind us, that this is wrong and how it is supposed to be is segregated. Why? Have you ever seen a bunch of kids from all colors under the rainbow play together and not have one issue until the parents walk up or get involved? Racism is taught by books, media, Wikipedia, Google searches, etc. But as a multicultural person, this definition is wrong and needs defined in the correct way. Every other " pride" is exactly that- " pride". Why does the " white pride" definition have to differ? Are you racist? Are you segregating " white" people from their culture and their heritage? Are white people all racist and white nationalist? You have all white pride listed as Neo- Nazi. Are you even fricken kidding me at this point. Is this what we teach our kids to look up? Don't touch that white kid, they're Neo- Nazi pride. Look it up! It says so under " white pride! How sad a society blames " white pride" on being something it is not. Your definition needs fixed, redefined or all prides need to be along the same lines. Your definition segregated white pride. It's amazing the world I see, is full of beautiful colors God put here for ALL of us to be the same. We all are Americans, we bleed the same and love the same. Therfore, categorize us the same instead of how bad the " white pride" is to everyone. Society struggles with racism and doesn't need anymore confusion from Wikipedia. You're here to help not to divide. Be a tool ALL can learn from. The majority of people I know just wants peace for all. Segregation gets us nowhere. We all are loved and need to understand all. Stop labeling something that is not 100% accurate. The media does enough to discourage hating on each other. I hope you can see all people deserve to be proud of who they are, where they come from, and how their culture adds to our beautiful world. Every culture fits so well together. Please stop putting definitions that are not true. Are there bad white groups? Yes, but you're saying the wrong definition for "white pride". Princess Ice 6313 (talk) 14:54, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

See the FAQ. References are clear about the racist nature of the term. FDW777 (talk) 14:55, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Then all "prides" need redefined. This isn't true of white pride. This is a lie. " White" pride is NOT a racist ideology. It's what you are thinking. I'm not, nor will I teach that to others as an educational foundation. Princess Ice 6313 (talk) 15:14, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

No, all "prides" don't need to be redefined. Per the FAQ, white pride differs from the rest and is of a racist nature. FDW777 (talk) 16:06, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

No it is not, "white pride" is the exact same thing as black/asian/whatever pride. By your logic if some racist "black supremacist" group used the "black pride" slogan, then that means that "black pride" is racist. But because Wikipedia simply can't get out of its little echo chamber that wouldn't happen anyway. Swirl0 (talk) 18:06, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Read the FAQ. Acroterion (talk) 16:07, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

I would like to read the FAQ to understand this as I think the page is highly inaccurate. However so far I have found nothing in the FAQ.

Could anyone perhaps offer a specific section that this would be found?

It seems to me that white pride should be separate from white supremacy Jial2000 (talk) 04:43, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

The FAQ is on this page, above. It's the second box from the top of the page, the one that's titled "Frequently asked questions (FAQ)". Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:03, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

The simple answer to that is that Wikipedia is biased to favour the media's opinion on things. The media considers White Pride as a phrase used by white nationalists, white separatists, et cetera. Whereas, the media considers <Race> Pride as a phrase used by more, how do I say this, moral people. If any "reliable" media were to show white pride as similar to any other pride felt by the other races, then the article would be rewritten. One of the few things where Wikipedia is dumb. --Galahad1822 (talk) 00:24, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

I agree with this. NCF29YT (talk) 04:12, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 April 2022

I would like to edit this because there is some information on it that is missing and I would like to add it. I promise that I will not vandilize pages and I will fact check my information before I put it on a page. Thanks! RIPpicklesL (talk) 19:48, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

You need to provide an actual change you want done, then I or some other autoconfirmed user can do it for you. Dronebogus (talk) 19:53, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:57, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Proposal to solve the perceived racism against white people seen by some in this article.

WP:SNOW closing, there is no possible way for this to go anywhere constructive without extraordinary evidence of a mainstream alternative view on this topic Dronebogus (talk) 01:10, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

I believe the best way to solve this page's problems is to include both viewpoints, which allows the reader to decide for themselves whether they agree with one side or another, following Wikipedia's non-bias policy without going over the top. Reliability is key: there are many different reliable articles from both sides of the political spectrum that can be used to properly describe what "White Pride" really is, some would say it is EXCLUSIVELY racist, some would say it is EXCLUSIVELY neutral, but really both exist, as with most other prides. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nikolai Gennadievich Nazarov (talk • contribs) 06:51, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Another potential method to solve the problem is to tear down the article and divide it into 2 articles: one denoting White Pride as a concept and practice with non-racist action, and another describing it's usage within White supremacy. Something similar can be done with other Pride articles to give people a clearer picture of the reality of these subjects. Nikolai Gennadievich Nazarov (talk) 07:05, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

"the best way to solve this page's problems is to include both viewpoints" When did you join Wikipedia, yesterday? What you suggest goes against the long-standing policy on false balance:

• "While it is important to account for all significant viewpoints on any topic, Wikipedia policy does not state or imply that every minority view or extraordinary claim needs to be presented along with commonly accepted mainstream scholarship as if they were of equal validity. There are many such beliefs in the world, some popular and some little-known: claims that the Earth is flat, that the Knights Templar possessed the Holy Grail, that the Apollo Moon landings were a hoax, and similar ones. Conspiracy theories, pseudoscience, speculative history, or plausible but currently unaccepted theories should not be legitimized through comparison to accepted academic scholarship. We do not take a stand on these issues as encyclopedia writers, for or against; we merely omit this information where including it would unduly legitimize it, and otherwise include and describe these ideas in their proper context concerning established scholarship and the beliefs of the wider world." Dimadick (talk) 07:41, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

  Absolutely. Pseudoscience and related topics have no place on Wikipedia to be expressed viewpoints. Though this is definitely can't be lumped in as something like what you described though, as white people and Europeans at large constitute a significant population and culture. Millions across Europe express pride in a non-racist manner towards their race and culture, with some in America also doing so; albeit more likely to be racially motivated, which is why I made this suggestion. Nikolai Gennadievich Nazarov (talk) 14:30, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

  There is no coherent concept of “white pride” outside of white supremacy because the “white race” is not an actual thing, it’s a dated and completely arbitrary classification for light-skinned people. What you’re referring to is the cultural heritage of the European diaspora, which is rarely described as one topic outside of simple enthusiasm for Europe or general pan-Europeanism i.e. the EU Dronebogus (talk) 00:00, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

• This is already addressed by the talk page's FAQ, at the top of this page. That FAQ exists because this has already been discussed countless times before here and elsewhere on Wikipedia. The claim that there are sources from "both sides of the political spectrum" is extremely dubious, for several reasons. If you know of reliable sources which could be useful, propose them here for discussion, but that kind of false balance will exhaust everyone's patience very quickly. Grayfell (talk) 03:19, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

• Post-closure note: I have reverted this addition by Nikolai Gennadievich Nazarov, who started this thread. The added content claims that the specific phrase "white pride" is also used by a variety of politically ordinary white people to express and embrace their European heritage, but the source that the content cites does not even contain the phrase "white pride". Mz7 (talk) 19:20, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Discrimination in script

Hello, whilst i understand the term White pride is used by groups of white people to define their dissatisfaction of what is stated in the text, the words used in the article point that white people are racists and their White pride is related to hating others which as a white person I don't agree with. It is discrimination to write such things ! This article creates hate and should be changed! Why if I write LGBT pride, Asian pride, Black pride shows that these groups are expressing themselves and their culture, but when I check White pride it the text points that this group is rasist group? This is not correct, and the White pride text should be updated or the term White pride should be changed to reflect correctly the text!

Regards, ID 2A00:23C8:2D82:BD01:35C5:5FCA:4D74:5D4D (talk) 08:06, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Please read the FAQ above has it answers your questions regarding this article. The long story short is that Wikipedia uses primary and secondary sources that discuss the topic. If you feel this is wrong, then the Wiki FAQ suggests you provide quality sources that support your claims. Please keep in mind Wikipedia is not a place for opinions and these articles are written based on cited sources. If you can find a source that references white pride in a non-racist light, then you are welcome to add that source to the talk page. TheTypingKat (talk) 07:18, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

It's appalling how biased this article is

I have read through the FAQs yet there doesn't seem to be proper justification for why this article is different to the other pride articles - any time an editor has tried to correct this error they are stonewalled. Ironically this is an actual example of racism towards white people on Wikipedia of all places. Is it possible to get arbitration involving a completely neutral admin (ie. not tainted by left or right politics) to rectify this? 2405:DA40:5118:7700:F142:67E6:6696:DC4 (talk) 08:56, 18 December 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:DA40:5118:7700:44E5:7698:E31:DA87 (talk)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 October 2022

White Pride in the United States is a movement which encourages white people to celebrate white culture and embrace their European heritage. In the United States, it was a direct response to anti-white racism. Stemming from the idea of White Power, this movement emphasizes racial pride, economic empowerment, and the creation of political and cultural institutions. Related movements include white power, and white nationalism. Concerned Citizenn (talk) 22:35, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

https://theracecardproject.com/white-pride-doesnt-mean-white-power/ Concerned Citizenn (talk) 22:39, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:44, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 September 2022

CHANGE "White pride and white power are expressions primarily used by white separatist, white nationalist, fascist, neo-Nazi and white supremacist organizations in order to signal racist or racialist viewpoints" TO "White pride seeks to encourage white people to celebrate white culture and embrace their Caucasian heritage. And, white power is an expression primarily used by white separatist, white nationalist, fascist, neo-Nazi and white supremacist organizations in order to signal racist or racialist viewpoints." Oliver Poveda (talk) 18:26, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:33, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

This page is biased

Please make edits to this page so that it is inline with other racially based interest groups. Neutral terms should be used, and biased sources should not be quoted. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fmou2HuaUAEIOEh?format=jpg&name=medium Nickgold81 (talk) 02:03, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Read the FAQ at the top of this page. Acroterion (talk) 02:23, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Preach Diehl2044 (talk) 22:11, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 January 2023

Why is white pride condemned while black pride and gay pride is celebrated. Wikipedia is a leftist group and are anti white propaganda. Most likely ran by jews. 104.251.79.14 (talk) 09:26, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. EnIRtpf09b^{chat with me} 09:39, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Pride pages

Why are all the "of color" pages considered positive while this page is not? 204.9.26.77 (talk) 00:33, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

The FAQ at the top of this page covers that. Acroterion (talk) 01:06, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

This article is quite peculiar for Wikipedia

Judging by the large amount of users that are perplexed at the difference between this article and other the pride articles, it would appear there is something fundamentally wrong with the content. The need for an FAQ if anything highlights this fact, even if it doesn't contain any satisfactory answers. It seems like the narrow determination of what is a reliable source (predominately a certain portion of US-based media) has lead to this issue - any ideas on how to fix the article? 60.234.208.246 (talk) 03:58, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

The FAQ is because countless editors have already attempted this exact tactic of superficially polite POV-pushing on this talk page. Reliable sources are the same here as they are everywhere else, so nothing needs to be "fixed". Grayfell (talk) 04:25, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

I agree that more consideration needs to be made for how this article is worded and which sources are included, given that the specifics of this article are a hot topic in how wikipedia's balance and bias is viewed, the lede is especially pushy of a certain frame of reference. Most of the sources specifically investigate the term in a slim context of racial abuse whereas I would find benefit in contextualizing the term as a response to the dilapidation and displacement of classical western identity in the setting of multiculturalism, if any such texts exist, and I would be happy to see a viewpoint that analyzes the term without explicitly custodializing it to the Neo-Nazi movement or other fascist movements.

The current state of the article likely reflects an institutional bias in publishing, it would be prudent to seek those contradicting opinions so as to give a more equitable account of the term. Insect.eate (talk) 23:04, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Then you should be able to provide references that back up what you think the article should say. This has never been addressed by any of the visitors to this talkpage that think it is somehow about something else, presumably innocuous Acroterion (talk) 23:14, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

White pride vs black pride

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It seems that the authors have a certain bias that they try to hide here Its not fair to mention the radicals on one side in the first paragraphs of the page while the other page has barely if ANY mention at all i don't say that radicalism does not exist but the fact that on ONE side the radicalism is plastered in the first few lines of text seems totally unfair on a technical sense 37.128.224.42 (talk) 16:59, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Read the FAQ at the top of the page. We go where the sources go, and for this topic, they lead to a pervasive tendency for "white pride" tp be a cover for bigotry. Acroterion (talk) 17:02, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Again, it's not the credibility of the info but the way it's presented

The order of things to be specific

White pride is first above all pride of the skin one has

The movement was and is used with racist intent but the problem is how DIFFERENT the articles are compared to white vs black vs Asian pride

You should give the simplest definition THEN add a topic where this movement is used by racists

In my opinion for it to be as unbiased as possible it should be like this:

WHITE PRIDE

Definition

Insert the definition like all the others

History

How it started theories rethoric

Different interpretations around the globe, Europe usa and other places

THEN list the controversies

Like how nazi germany used it the confederacy and what not

Because right now this current format hurts the credibility of Wikipedia as an unbiased political source that takes sides while claiming objectivity 78.96.206.170 (talk) 11:48, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

"White pride is first above all pride of the skin one has" - cite this please. All you've done is list your own preferred definition. Reliable sources overwhelmingly don't define the article subject in that way, and how other topics are handled in other articles is irrelevant. They are not the same things.

"THEN list the controversies" - Controversy sections are discouraged, precisely because they can present an unbalanced view of the article subject with undue emphasis on the negative. It is always preferable that any "controversy" is discussed within the article with everything else, where it can be discussed as part of the bigger picture. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 12:07, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

source for that definition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_pride

wikipedia

TO QUOTE from the official wikipedia page;"Black pride in the United States is a movement which encourages black people to celebrate African-American culture and embrace their African heritage"

definition given by wikipedia itself

now lets show the double standard of wikipedia and lets make a quote comparrison

white pride quote;"White pride and white power are expressions primarily used by white separatist, white nationalist, fascist, neo-Nazi, and white supremacist organizations in order to signal racist or racialist viewpoints."

COMPARISON

Black pride quote

"Black pride in the United States is a movement which encourages black people to celebrate African-American culture and embrace their African heritage"

lets compare it with Asian pride

source :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_pride

quote from wikipedia

"Asian pride is a term that encourages celebration of Asian ethnicity and culture, with various interpretations and origins."

given the pages mentioned above it stands to reason that white pride would follow the same logic

Despite the fact that its claimed that ,and i quote " Controversy sections are discouraged, precisely because they can present an unbalanced view of the article subject with undue emphasis on the negative." the white pride wikipedia page ONLY STATES controversial topics and fails to give a similar definition that both black and asian pride pages includes

Closing statement

I DO NOT say that it isnt used by people with racist tendencies but this glaring difference between wikipedia pages hurts the credibility of the site 78.96.206.170 (talk) 13:25, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Sources treat the terms/concepts differently so we must do the same. Please read the FAQ. EvergreenFir (talk) 13:28, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Controversial movements should be mentioned but the definition should be the same

I did not ask to remove the controversial information or reduce its importance in any way i asked to follow the same logic of definition that it was used in the previously mentioned pages i will make the suggestion to add this definition of white pride to maintain professional credibility.

First to quote asian pride ;

"Asian pride is a term that encourages celebration of Asian ethnicity and culture, with various interpretations and origins."

Given this wikipedia definition ,following logic white pride should be defined as this ;

"White pride is a term that encourages celebration of European ethnicity and culture, with various interpretations and origins."

The glaring difference between pages only gives the people who are racist more credibility and allows them to point fingers at wikipedia and use this difference as ammunition. 78.96.206.170 (talk) 13:45, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

"source for that definition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_pride" - Nope. That is a definition for Black Pride, not White Pride, (and Wikipedia cannot act as a source for itself anyway). Your argument is essentially The Mexico City article should look the same as the Manchester City article, because they both mention places and end in "City", despite reliable sources saying they are not the same things. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 16:20, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

except that mancester city DOES NOT end in mancester city but the full definition is Manchester City FC(footbal club)

your example is a False equivalance

source

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence

https://effectiviology.com/false-equivalence/

white in the context white pride reffers at the collor of the skin

source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_people

i will say now

the wiki definition starts with a politically influenced definition and not its simplest definition

to quote te wiki article

"White pride and white power are expressions primarily used by white separatist, white nationalist, fascist, neo-Nazi, and white supremacist organizations in order to signal racist or racialist viewpoints."

the problem isnt that this paragraph exists but that the barebones definition is ignored and there is a GLARING DOUBLE STANDARD compared to asian and black pride

also some sources used to define white pride are either news articles some that no longer exist or are personal opinions

to end this argument once and for all

White pride IS USED BY RACISTS it is BUT its simply INCORRECT to not add the definition used on other pages

This INTENTIONAL oversight will only serve as amunition for those who are racist

And worst of all it hurts the credibility of the site as politically neutral

Best regards 78.96.206.170 (talk) 21:00, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2024

Replace the first line of White pride to read similarly with a positive tone as Black pride does “Black pride is a movement which encourages black people to celebrate their respective cultures and embrace their African heritage.” “White pride is a movement which encourages white people to celebrate their respective cultures and embrace their European heritage. Why can’t this be a positive tone?????? Jsonbourne123 (talk) 09:27, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Because it's used in society primarily by white supremacists, as a means of bigotry. Read the FAQ at the top of this page. Acroterion (talk) 10:21, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

do you have any sources to back up your opinion? this is just your biased opinion it is not fact. there is no way to accurately verify you baseless claims. 73.37.153.78 (talk) 23:55, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

There's an entire, sourced encyclopedia article that's been written for you. And read the FAQ. Acroterion (talk) 00:23, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Such a stark contrast between other 'Pride' articles and White Pride just really upsets me.

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This article shows a very clear bias against the White race and is simply very 'Anti-White' by its wording. I do not ask for making it sound positive, but at least neutral. Eg: “White Pride” refers to an expression of pride in being white or of European descent. In principle, it parallels other “pride” movements (e.g., Black Pride, Gay Pride, Asian Pride) in affirming one’s racial or cultural background. It acknowledges European ancestry, linguistic heritage, and shared traditions.

And just because the word has been used in the past along side 'White Power' by white supremacist groups does not mean an average White person is racist, this article literally stigmatizes the word 'White Pride'.

Wikipedia is known for its unbiased and reliable source of info, and right now pages like this are an agent to promote hate against White people and raise Anti-White ideology not just among people from other races against Whites but among Whites themselves. Many white people are 'ashamed' of being White and believe it or not face racism by not just their own race but other races too. There has also been several chants for 'White Genocide' and 'erase white race'.

Whites are being oppressed for what a small group of people are doing and because of their history and this page only serves to promote the 'White Guilt'. If you want to talk about White Supremacy and 'White Power' Slogan (which is the slogan that is actually more commonly used by white supremacists) make a different page, but please keep this page about explaining and describing the feeling of pride in being white and celebrating white heritage and white culture, and showing what the white culture has to offer, the origins of European decedents and so on. NanoByte9 (talk) 06:10, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Provide me a example of white people being oppresss in a systemic way 73.43.43.206 (talk) 05:51, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

See Talk:White pride/FAQ. Please do not encourage a general discussion about the topic. This is talk page specifically for discussing how to improve this article based on published, reliable sources. Grayfell (talk) 06:17, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

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We should probably have a different article on "White Power"

This phrase, despite the similarity, has a completely different history and manifestation from white pride. everything here covers white pride so it would basically amount to writing a whole new article but this is quite misleading. PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:01, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

I take the silence as a lack of objection. I will at some point write another article. As is, we say this article is about both but outside the lead sentence the entire article is only about one. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:07, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Neutrality of this post

My latest edit was cancelled because, in my reasoning I mentioned social media. I don't believe that's a good reason. I believe this article is racist in a term that it discriminates over colour. Especially considering black and Asian pride are friendly. While here white pride is directly linked towards extreme right. As a white man who isn't neonazi, who isn't even racist. I was shocked this page exists like this. The edits I made weren't based off an social media post. The reason I saw this article is social media. I believe it should be edited to represent a more friendly approach. Because I am white, and I'm proud that I'm white. But I don't glorify any racism nor fascism. I suggest my old edit will be returned as it's a neutral approach. Dingspil Drenter (talk) 11:12, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Read the FAQ at the top of this page. The term is used by white supremacists, not as a neutral expression of ethnic pride. A close analogy is the appropriation by the Nazis of the swastika, a Hindu good-luck symbol, turning it into a symbol of hate. We document what is, not what should be. If you can find sources in reliable media that use the term in a positive sense, please present them here. Acroterion (talk) 12:21, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Yes you are right but many people don’t think this way anymore. I am sure to agree that many neo-nazi’s/xenophobes abused and are using this word, but on the other hand there are many people, like me who also feel pride in their own ‘white’ culture. The fact that feeling or sharing this pride is “racist” or “being a nazi” is not really acceptable. Same with BLM for example, many people mean it but you also have an ultra side that are… well yeah racist to white people. Mdweetje (talk) 22:33, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

In addition to that, this article is only playing into the hands of those white supremacists. Why? Because it's the only "race pride"-page on Wikipedia that speaks hate or negativity the moment one gives a look at it. Just look at Black Pride and Asian Pride and you'll see a total different approach to the term, despite the fact that Black or African Pride is also being misused to justify horrible things. Dingspil Drenter (talk) 12:39, 3 September 2025 (UTC)

I agree in that most information here is extremely outdated. Wikipedia may show this fact on certain pages at the beginning. I previously was able to edit content, but have not been on in a very long time. I am a financial contributor when I use this site. That all aside, the content of this article is heavily sited by University sources which as we know lean left. I am most aggrieved that it has not been updated by any new sources in many years and should be removed or updated with reliable sources. 2600:4040:F12D:6200:5080:2043:3F18:4FA6 (talk) 20:29, 7 September 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 November 2025

Stating that 'White Pride'is right wing is divisive and denies white Brits the RIGHT to be proud of their culture and heritage. Why should WE have our identity erased yet Jews, Muslims, Africans are allowed their pride? ~2025-36740-84 (talk) 09:06, 27 November 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. NotJamestack (✉️|📝) 09:44, 27 November 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 November 2025

They need to change the definition of white pride. This is highly racist and offensive to white people. Whoever wrote this article is a racist. White people being proud of their heritage does not mean they are white supremacist. ~2025-37384-09 (talk) 23:16, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

 Not done. Please see the FAQ. NotJamestack (✉️|📝) 23:20, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 December 2025

Its racist AntiWhite hatred towards whites full of lies, misinformation, and disinformation. ~2025-41453-20 (talk) 03:14, 18 December 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want made. Please detail the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. - Umby 🌕🐶 (talk) 03:34, 18 December 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 December 2025

everything it says about white pride is racist against whites and innaccurate. The whole thing needs to be removed

 people are pissed and talking about it on X. ~2025-41875-08 (talk) 22:33, 19 December 2025 (UTC)

Whiny racists on a Nazi's hate platform don't matter and neither do their opinions. AcademicallyPerfect (talk) 23:10, 19 December 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want made. Please detail the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. LizardJr8 (talk) 04:03, 20 December 2025 (UTC)

So true, this Wikipedia has to be removed. ~2025-41522-13 (talk) 04:20, 20 December 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 December 2025

Your call in white pride a racist saying butt any other ethnicity can have pride is very racists. ~2025-42032-67 (talk) 21:53, 20 December 2025 (UTC)

 Not done. Boring. FDW777 (talk) 21:55, 20 December 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 October 2025

quit being biased and actually do equality for once. 66.222.129.217 (talk) 14:11, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Besides this, I think you should take note of WP:civility. Happy editing, Slomo666 (talk) 14:51, 15 October 2025 (UTC)