Talk:Valencia CF

Article length

A few days ago, an IP editor made two edits which removed content from the history and stadium sections with the indication that the removed content exists in exact the same wording at History of Valencia CF and Estadio Mestalla. He was harshly reverted by User:Fadiga09 with the edit summary of "Shut up."

I'd like to point out that the article in its current state is around 100 kB. According to the Wikipedia guideline on article sizes, articles should definitely be split up once they have reached this limit. Since this obviously happened a long time ago, keeping the outsourced content in this article is unnecessary and redundant.

Hence, I have removed the outsourced content from this article again in order to significantly reduce its size AND readability. However, I would propose that someone with better knowledge of the subject provides a very brief summary for the history of this club at this article since this section should not be left with just a link. Hockey-holic (talk) 17:09, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree. This info should be moved and replaced with a very brief summary. Fadiga needs to discuss this here instead of reverting. Valenciano (talk) 19:32, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I've restored the original content. I would rather content be there than none at all but it needs summarising and vastly shortening. Peanut4 (talk) 21:50, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

This is an outdated discussion but wanted to mention: The article is closer to 75k of readable prose. Weight may or may not be an issue in certain sections but overall length may be justified.Wikipedia:Splitting Cptnono (talk) 11:52, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

£465 million debt not even mentioned!

Valencia is in huge debt and is getting ripped apart and their current financial situaion is barely adressed except for a very faint and unclear sentence. Please put more info about this on the article as it is a defining moment for Valencia. --66.36.140.169 (talk) 04:59, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Page should be moved!

Can't somebody move this page to Valencia C.F.. This is the correct way to spell it, and it is hideous that a important page like Valencia C.F. is under a page name, that is incorrect! Can somebody move it?

I don't know who you are because you didn't sign your comment, so therefore I would normally ignore your comment. HOWEVER, this is just the way we have done all the clubs in Wikipedia. For sure, Valencia C.F. works also, but all the clubs in 2009-10 La Liga have as their default the name without the periods (full stops) between the club-related epithets, with the exception for some reason of Real Madrid.Tris2000 (talk) 10:06, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Home Shirt

The Home Shirt that appear in the article are a special shirt, only for "special" matches. Normally, they play with the shirt without the bat in the centre.--84.123.113.44 (talk) 12:23, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed

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Most points overall

The i.p. argues that: "It;s discovered that in the LFP's web the points counts is wrong! Let's collect: Valencia: 1157 wins * 3 = 3471 + 593 draws = 4064 (LFP 3273!)" The LFP article isn't "wrong." The difference between that and the transfermarkt calculation seems to be because transfermarkt have just allocated 3 points for a win, however, for most of its history, La Liga awarded 2 points for a win. In 1995, in common with a lot of football competitions around that era, they switched to 3 points for a win. So we can't retrospectively award phantom points to teams that they didn't earn in the actual competitions. To be honest, I think it would be better if that line was removed altogether, since it's not really the fairest comparison and the info can date very quickly. Valenciano (talk) 19:28, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Dear Valenciano, Firstly, we are here to present facts whatever teams we support. Actually I appreciate your removing for the all-time table information in Valencia profile. As even by 2 points system. The total counts of points will be more for Atletico because it has more wins than Valencia. So, I feel strange that the official source like LFP make wrong point counts as per their historical ranking here: www.lfp.es/estadisticas-historicas . Thank you 95.187.127.40 (talk) 11:59, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

No, sorry, but the LFP is not wrong. It says that overall Atletico have won more games than Valencia. Okay. But most of those wins were under the old 2 points for a win system. Since 1995, when 3 points for a win was introduced, Valencia have been a far more successful club than Atleti. Remember that Atletico even spent two seasons (2000-2002) in Segunda during that period.

3 points for a win era 1995/6 to 2013/4 seasons inclusive:

Valencia won 350 games (1050 points)

Atletico won 288 games (864 points)

2 points for a win i.e. up to 1994/5

Atletico won 879 games (1758 points)

Valencia won 791 games (1582 points)

TOTALS (from games won)

Valencia 1050+1582=2632 points

Atletico 864+1758=2622 points

So Valencia have more points, even though Atleti have won more games, since Valencia won more games at a time when more points were given for wins. Given how close it is, and given that the overall La Liga table doesn't tell the full story, I think we're best leaving it out. Valenciano (talk) 20:48, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Nice information. Thank you man. Good luck for both teams. 5.41.191.107 (talk) 21:16, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

You're welcome, good luck versus Leverkusen! Valenciano (talk) 21:20, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 April 2015

To remove this sentence: Valencia are the third most supported football club in Spain, behind heavyweights Real Madrid and FC Barcelona.[2]

Because the source [2] since 2007 which is too old. While there is a newer source 2013 with different results. http://www.insidespanishfootball.com/86229/real-madrid-named-most-popular-football-club-in-spain/

It can be: Valencia are the fourth most supported football club in Spain.

213.230.30.90 (talk) 06:33, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

I think the info should be removed from the lead altogether or changed to "Valencia are one of the most supported teams in Spain." Saying third or fourth is information which can date quickly. We should mention both the 2013 and 2007 sources in the body of the article. Valenciano (talk) 11:50, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Kharkiv07^Talk 11:52, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

"2023–24 Valencia CF season" listed at Redirects for discussion

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League Position is incorrect

The current LaLiga position shows as 9th whereas the current position is actually 19th. I am not able to edit it as it redirects to football index variable which honestly is tough to understand and find. 156.93.246.57 (talk) 21:15, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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