Talk:Uvular ejective stop

Voiced??

The article currently says the uvular ejective is voiced (and has apparently said this ever since the article was created in 2004) — but AFAIK, this sound (like all ejectives) is voiceless. Comments? Richwales (talk) 05:52, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I believed the closest thing to voiced ejectives are implosives. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi]} 05:54, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Points of articulation?

I'm trying to figure out the Georgian uvular ejective (written ყ in the Georgian alphabet). To me, it sounds very similar to an ordinary (or slightly "choked") glottal stop. My best guess, right now, is that it's basically an uvular constriction with glottal closure. I'm doubtful that there are in fact two distinct, 100% total closures (uvular and glottal); even if this is physically possible, the volume of the trapped airspace would seem far too small to be useful, and whenever I've tried to do such a thing, the result always seems to sound too much like /k'/ (with a pop/snap/click sound that, as far as I'm aware, is totally absent in the Georgian uvular ejective). Any thoughts on this? Even better, any reliable sources on this which could be cited either in this article or the Georgian language article? Richwales (talk) 23:25, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

The table at Georgian language uses Shosted & Shikovani (2006) as a reference. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi]} 04:51, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Stop reverting k̠ʼ ḵʼ k̲ʼ

@Oklopfer Why are you removing the symbols k̠ʼ ḵʼ k̲ʼ? - BᴏᴅʜıHᴀᴙᴩ (talk, contributions) 04:17, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

Because none of those are considered IPA symbols for the uvular ejective, they are pure nonsense. Why are you adding them in the first place? ~ oklopfer (💬) 04:21, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

But why can't you move them out of the infobox? - BᴏᴅʜıHᴀᴙᴩ (talk, contributions) 04:25, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

Your question doesn't make sense to me; I am already (re)moving them out of the infobox. What do you mean? ~ oklopfer (💬) 04:32, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

I meant moving it out of the infobox and instead mentioning it in the sentence. - BᴏᴅʜıHᴀᴙᴩ (talk, contributions) 04:38, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

Again, why are they being added in the first place? I see no reason to include them in a sentence, they are not phonetic symbols for the sound. ~ oklopfer (💬) 05:15, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

But what about the fact that one of these is used in a transcription for a uvular? - BᴏᴅʜıHᴀᴙᴩ (talk, contributions) 05:20, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

If you are referring to the Tlingit example, that is their alphabet orthography, not a phonetic transcription. The phonetic transcription is in the IPA column. ~ oklopfer (💬) 05:34, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

One of these is from the Tlingit orthography, but the other one that does not use the IPA minus sign was used in that transcription that actually meant [ɬqʼɑm]. Still language orthography? - BᴏᴅʜıHᴀᴙᴩ (talk, contributions) 05:51, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

Correct, the referenced source explicitly says it is using the Yakima practical alphabet. ~ oklopfer (💬) 17:37, 23 October 2025 (UTC)