Talk:Umm Kulthum

censorship regarding documented info

Here en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Umm_Kulthum&diff=1080802070&oldid=1080229300 user Higaz kar who disappeared meanwhile and only operated on that page, censored well documented information according wikipedia rules as "urban legend". Since the page is protected I submit this topic to others to intervene and correct the situation. 2A02:A03F:6AF5:1D00:5D0A:A828:A9:A058 (talk) 22:59, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello,

I'm Higaz Kar. First of all, I did not disappeared, I intervene in other wikipedia pages, and even initiated some of them. Second point, my humble little person should not be the center of interest here.

Third point, there was no censored informations of any kind, I asked for evidences of the existence of this song before allowing such a serious and defamatory statement. The source you are refering to does not provide any proof of the existence of such a song and just asserts it. On the other hand, the term "urban legend" used to qualify the nature of this assertion is not not mine but it comes from a source that I quoted. It's an article titled "A propos d'Oum Kalsoum"/ "About Umm Kulthum", published in Libération on 09/27/2001, by Professor Frédéric Lagrange from the department of Arabic and Hebraic studies of the Sorbonne University in Paris, he's also known for his researches, studies and books about arabic music.

Each and every registered song from Umm Kulthum are rigorously referenced (no one can invent one of her song, precise reference of edition and record are required) and I have published the referenced list on the french wikipedia page. I invite you to read the sources published on the french wikipedia page.

Kind regards,

Higaz Kar Higaz kar (talk) 21:28, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

song in 1967

to Fragrant_Peony: Why do you pretend there is no song as that, despite several correct documentary sources? Even the source who pretends it could be false, gives a correct witness! Your actions doesn't look at all neutral. That is not acceptable, according wikipedia rules 2A02:A03F:6AFB:B000:8933:C174:2D51:2AD2 (talk) 22:18, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

What magazine?

The article says "news of her death was reported by the American Times magazine". Is it supposed to say "news of her death was reported by the American Time magazine"? Pete unseth (talk) 16:11, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

Re invisible comment (Corrected translation of honorific title)

Hi,

So I am new to WP. I have just now corrected the inaccurate translation of her honorific title. What is convention on removing the invisible comments. Can I delete that invisible comment, or would someone else. Would appreciate a bit of guidance. Initw (talk) 10:47, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

Error in infobox

Hello, There seems to be an error in the infobox that I'm not sure how to fix. Maybe someone can take a look.

Expression error: Unrecognized punctuation character "{

Chris9086 (talk) 17:46, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:

• Oum Kalthoum (Fatimah).jpg

You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. —Community Tech bot (talk) 09:37, 22 January 2026 (UTC)

I downloaded the photo from imdb actually. Thanks إبراهيم جبر 1996 (talk) 18:01, 24 January 2026 (UTC)

AI upscaled images

Current infobox image

The infobox image seems to be a modified one. It looks to be derived from a specific old newsprint photo of Kulthum, with the AI mistaking a dent in the paper for an extension of her eyebrow, and a black dot next to her head (there's a similar dot elsewhere in the background) as part of her hairstyle.

Some other images in the article have similar issues. They've been taken from Pinterest rather than original press sources, so whoever uploaded them to Pinterest presumably thought that they looked better put through an AI first.

Per MOS:AIUPSCALE, these should be replaced with the original historical photos where available. Belbury (talk) 11:55, 24 January 2026 (UTC)

Thanks for replacing this, User:إبراهيم جبر 1996, but sadly it looks like File:Oum Kulthoum.jpg has the same issue. The photo at https://www.instagram.com/p/CrdT-SdNmNQ/ seems to be the original: the AI upscale has smoothed and lightened her skin and the fabric of her dress, and turned the shadow of her hands into more of a stain.

I've uploaded the original to File:Umm Kulthum in 1939.jpg and replaced the upscale with a crop of it.

The Instagram source also says the photo is from 1939 rather than 1933. Do we know if that's right? Belbury (talk) 14:57, 24 January 2026 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, and thanks for your edits. However, honestly, the lead image you downloaded is really a poor and bad image. And the current Infobox image was downloaded primarily from the Red Sea Film Festival website and wasn’t AI generated at least not by me. Thanks إبراهيم جبر 1996 (talk) 18:00, 24 January 2026 (UTC)

I took File:Umm Kulthum in 1939 (cropped).jpg from the American University in Cairo's Instagram account, I don't know if they have a higher resolution version available elsewhere.

It may simply be the case that we can't find any high quality photos of Kulthum from the 1930s. We should use the best ones we can find, though, rather than asking an AI to generate altered versions.

Did you edit the image at https://www.pinterest.com/pin/637259416071088846/ in some way before uploading it as File:Oum Kulthoum.jpg? --Belbury (talk) 18:54, 24 January 2026 (UTC)

No problem at all. I changed the image with the original one before I downloaded mine. Thanks إبراهيم جبر 1996 (talk) 20:44, 24 January 2026 (UTC)

These two images are also AI upscales and should be replaced with copies of the actual 1929/1946 photos. They aren't genuine photographs of the subject. --Belbury (talk) 17:15, 1 February 2026 (UTC)