Talk:Tropical Storm Raymond (2025)

Attribute Mexico Fatalities?

@Hurricanehink I'm about to GAN this one too. In the Raymond TCR: , it would appear that the NHC wasn't able to conclusively link the Mexico fatalities to Raymond. Would it still be okay to include these fatalities in Raymond's death counter? Jpuxfrd (talk) 20:31, 9 May 2026 (UTC)

The NHC is not the definitive authority on fatalities, so it depends on the other sources, and how they are linked to Raymond. I notice you citing AON for two deaths in Oaxaca. It took me a minute to find it because it referred to TD 17-E, but the met history never mentions the number. Can you point out in the other sources the exact wording that connects it to Raymond? Specifically the third Mexican death, and the El Salvador death. I still never understood why an article for Raymond was made, when there is also October 2025 Mexican floods and landslides. I know you were planning on GAN'ing this article, but have you given thought about the overlap between the articles? There isn't very much about Raymond specifically in this article, compared to what's in the season article and the Mexico flood article, and it seems that the Mexico flood article is about both Raymond and Priscilla. Combining the articles would be a good start toward fleshing out the impacts state-by-state. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:56, 9 May 2026 (UTC)

I don't speak Spanish and mostly use google translate. One of the sources I found linking the third Mexico fatality here: claims that "it was the effects of Tropical Storm Raymond that caused havoc in the Banderas Bay region, where flooded avenues, streets and houses were reported, with one person dead." The wording of that links El Salvador fatality to proto-Raymond here: "This landslide, in addition to claiming a life, caused significant material damage to the affected structure. Authorities link this and other incidents to the heavy rains that have impacted the country due to a low-pressure system located southwest of Guatemala." Now that I'm thinking about it, it may be more of a stretch to include the El Salvador fatality in the death counter given that "low-pressure system located southwest of Guatemala" doesn't entirely confirm that it is proto-Raymond. Jpuxfrd (talk) 00:55, 10 May 2026 (UTC)

The Banderas Bay (Bahía de Banderas by the way) death sounds pretty definitively linked. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 00:59, 10 May 2026 (UTC)

Also, I'm not too sure why I helped create the Raymond article opposed to expanding October 2025 Mexican floods and landslides, but I think it may have been that I found more sources linking the floods in central and eastern Mexico to an Atlantic tropical wave than Raymond (and/or Priscilla) itself at that time. Regarding the existence of the Raymond article, its probably not a good idea to merge this into the season article right now given that it is nearing 8,000 words. The floods and landslides article is currently thin on content, but I feel like that's more of an issue with how little content there is in the current Hidalgo, Puebla, Querétaro, San Luis Potosí and Veracruz sections. I'll shift my current focus away from GAN'ing the Raymond article itself to expanding the floods and landslides article with the impacts from the aforementioned states above. If most of the sources I find link the flooding to Raymond (and Priscilla), I may issue a merge discussion for Raymond, but as it appears now, there may be enough info about Raymond/proto-Raymond (40 out of 44 sources refer to the system) itself to keep the article. Jpuxfrd (talk) 02:30, 10 May 2026 (UTC)

That makes sense. I was under the understanding that Raymond/Priscilla were the primary causes of the October 2025 Mexican floods and landslides. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:57, 10 May 2026 (UTC)

Update - I did further digging and expanded both the floods article as well as the Raymond article.

The majority of the sources I found (cited in the floods article) do not make mentions to Raymond (or any meteorological cause), so I'd say that the floods article now appears to be less about Raymond than before I expanded it. While these may link the flooding to proto-Raymond (90E was the proto-Raymond designation), this (which appears to refer to this tropical wave) seems to imply that the wave was more of the primary cause of the flooding.

Raymond also passes NEVENT (~27K bytes, 1,200 words) per DEPTH and DIVERSE. Sources 1-15, 20-24, 26-30, 32-50 (44/50 of the sources), make direct mentions to Raymond itself, while sources 16-19 (4/50 of the sources) allude to proto-Raymond (I'm more inclined to believe this is proto-Raymond as the sources reference "low pressure area with cyclonic development.") Readers may actually want to know about Raymond itself since notable means "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention" (as Raymond seems to have caused its own significant flooding event on the Pacific coast). It is also neither an RFORK nor a POVFORK.

I also found multiple sources that treat the flooding in central/east Mexico (Veracruz, Puebla, Hidalgo, SLP, Queretaro) as its own separate event from any flooding in west Mexico, so most readers may commonly refer to "October 2025 Mexican floods and landslides" as the flooding just in the five states I mentioned above.

Readers may treat both of these as separate events and thus may want to know about the flooding and Raymond separately, so I fear merging the two would cause potential navigation issues and it may make the flood article difficult to navigate and read. I'm also not really sure where all of this information about Raymond's preparations and impacts would be put in the flood article. TheGreatestNumber (talk) 05:12, 13 June 2026 (UTC)