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qualification

Latest comment: 11 years ago6 comments6 people in discussion

what if a player won the stanley cup and the olyimpic as a player then as a coach wins the world championships does that make them a member? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.32.141.183 (talk) 17:01, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

That's an interesting question actually. I don't know if there's any official stance on that. Until there is, the only way we could know would be if someone completed a triple like that without getting recognition.Lejman (talk) 13:40, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
I think, there is a category of players and category of coaches. Victories gained as player aren´t worth to be counted in the coaches category. The same dilemma as the player/coach could be the player after sex change surgery:-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.177.130.40 (talk) 17:50, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
I was just brainstorming the issue of players from the early 1920s who won both the stanley cup and gold medal at the games. I think the club has alot of ambuigity anyway. Paticularlily the case of Hooley Smith (maybe others havent checked), would he not be the first member of this club (maybe someone else) as technically he won a gold medal in the olympics (which was considered the world championship at the time in 1924) and a stanley cup (1927)? Im not aware of any source about this recongnizing this(IIHF, or NHL) nor do i advocate including this in the article, but tehnicality speaking he does meet the requirements of this club. interesting the ambuigity i think. Ottawa4ever (talk) 18:57, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

In the main TGC page, Jiří Šlégr should be designated as active player. He is on the HC Litvínov roster and sometimes he scores.89.177.131.99 (talk) 20:48, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

I have changed the row to indicate he is active again. Alaney2k (talk) 22:27, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Possible future members

Latest comment: 14 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

I'm wondering if we should include a list of possible future inductees; players who already have two and need one more. The list would obviously be limited to players currently active. It seems like it would be beneficial to include though there is the concern of original research if another source hasn't already done this. 216.208.235.30 (talk) 16:16, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

User:Gpetit89 has done some impressive research, it seems, although unsourced. The question is: should this stay in the article, or should we keep it in the talk page, for future reference? HandsomeFella (talk) 14:31, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Upcoming member additions

Latest comment: 9 years ago5 comments4 people in discussion

With the Conference Finals set, we can now guarantee that regardless of which team wins the cup, one or two new members will join the club in June. Just to keep everyone informed, here's the list of potential new members from each of the remaining teams:

Player Membership
gained		 Olympic Gold World Championship Stanley Cup
San Jose Sharks
Canada Dany Heatley Canada 2010 Canada 2003, 2004
Canada Patrick Marleau Canada 2010 Canada 2003
Tampa Bay Lightning
Canada Eric Brewer Canada 2002 Canada 2003, 2004, 2007
Sweden Mattias Öhlund Sweden 2006 Sweden 1998
Vancouver Canucks
Canada Roberto Luongo Canada 2010,2014 Canada 2003, 2004

Cheers! – Nurmsook! talk... 13:48, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Is there anyone on Team Sweden at the World Championships that could join the club this year? -- Scorpion0422 18:03, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
Missing Boston Bruins and Patrice Bergeron, the only player on the four Conference Final teams that did achieve Triple Gold in 2011. Jmg38 (talk) 02:09, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
@Jmg38: Nothing is missing. We remove the player from here once he joins the TGC and add him to the actual article. – Sabbatino (talk) 04:47, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, Sabbatino - makes sense! Jmg38 (talk) 07:29, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Potential 2012 additions

Latest comment: 14 years ago5 comments4 people in discussion

If the above list is indeed accurate, then we could have some new additions this year.

Player Membership
gained		 Olympic Gold World Championship Stanley Cup
Nashville Predators
Canada Shea Weber Canada 2010 Canada 2007
Canada
Canada Ryan Getzlaf Canada 2010 Anaheim Ducks 2007
Canada Duncan Keith Canada 2010 Chicago Blackhawks 2010
Canada Corey Perry Canada 2010 Anaheim Ducks 2007


I don't think Duncan Keith is playing for team Canada this year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.56.163.122 (talk) 05:11, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Potential Members 2013

Latest comment: 12 years ago4 comments4 people in discussion

With the playoffs coming soon, here are the players who still have a chance at joining this year.

Nat. Player Olympic Gold World Championship Stanley Cup Current team
Canada Dany Heatley Canada 2010 Canada 2003, 2004 Minnesota Wild
Canada Jarome Iginla Canada 2002, 2010 Canada 1997 Pittsburgh Penguins
Canada Brenden Morrow Canada 2010 Canada 2004 Pittsburgh Penguins
Canada Roberto Luongo Canada 2010 Canada 2003, 2004 Vancouver Canucks
Canada Patrick Marleau Canada 2010 Canada 2003 San Jose Sharks
Canada Rick Nash Canada 2010 Canada 2007 New York Rangers

Of the four semi-final nations at the Worlds (Sweden, Finland, Switzerland, USA) only Sweden has won Olympic gold recently. And there are no potential members on Team Sweden. There are some potential potential members.

No potential members left in the Stanley Cup playoffs this year, but there are three potential potential members in Chicago Blackhawks.

Nat. Player Olympic Gold World Championship Stanley Cup Current team
Slovakia Michal Handzuš Slovakia 2002 Chicago Blackhawks
Canada Jamal Mayers Canada 2007 Chicago Blackhawks
Czech Republic Michal Rozsíval Czech Republic 2010 Chicago Blackhawks
  • Thanks for refreshing the list. Should be Jamal Mayers listed above? I think he didn´t play enough games in the season and he also didn´t appear in the playoffs. And I think, that Alexei Kovalev should return to the list, he signed somewhere in minor Swiss league. And it is possible, that some of the players inconspicuously retired, e.g. Rob Niedermeyer, Jeff Friesen... I don´t know, where to prove it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.177.130.89 (talk) 20:07, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
    • Mayers did only play 19 games during the regular season, but since the season was shortened, I'd assume the minimum requirement was as well. Kovalev could be returned to the list, although it is highly unlikely he'll make Russia's Olympic team (though you never know). I'd have no problem with Niedermayer and Friesen being removed since they have no chance of making Canada's Olympic Team. In fact, of all of the Canadian players in need of an Olympic gold medal, only two (Ward and Jordan Staal) have a chance of making the team (and in both cases they aren't favourites). -- Scorpion0422 20:53, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
      • I think, that the list is full of players, who have minimal chance to enter the TGC, but they are still active and should be listed. For example these five, who need SC and play in Europe, some older players, who need OG and refused to play for their countries (Kubina) etc. I think that such players make most of the list, but it is interesting to see it complete, what if...? Kovalev needs WC gold, but I think he will not get it, because he hasn´t good relationships with Russian ice hockey federation and he is also old. Brodeur won´t get it too, when he didn´t play in WCh in Quebec, he won´t play in any other championship. On eliteprospects.com is stated, that R. Niedermayer and Friesen are retired, but these pages are unofficial and nobody knows, if someone of them (or any other "retirees") won't appear. Dominik Hašek came back for several times. And if NHL won´t let players go to Sochi, Canada will need experienced players to make a team... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.177.130.60 (talk) 18:27, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

2014: The Potential Members

Latest comment: 12 years ago9 comments6 people in discussion

With all three championships up for grabs this year, it's likely we'll see a new addition.

Olympics

The Olympic line-ups announced, here are the potential members. Nobody from Canada, which should be surprising, but isn't, considering that most of the guys who need an Olympic gold had almost no chance of making the team (only Cam Ward, and his odds weren't great).

Nat. Player Olympic Gold World Championship Stanley Cup Current NHL team
Czech Republic Tomáš Kaberle Czech Republic 2005 Boston Bruins 2011 Free Agent
Czech Republic Michal Rozsíval Czech Republic 2010 Chicago Blackhawks 2013 Chicago Blackhawks
Russia Pavel Datsyuk Russia 2012 Detroit Red Wings 2002, 2008 Detroit Red Wings
Russia Evgeni Malkin Russia 2012 Pittsburgh Penguins 2009 Pittsburgh Penguins
Slovakia Michal Handzuš Slovakia 2002 Chicago Blackhawks 2013 Chicago Blackhawks
Sweden Johan Franzén Sweden 2006 Detroit Red Wings 2008 Detroit Red Wings

There are, of course, a great many potential potential members. They might be added later. -- Scorpion0422 03:02, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

So the gold medal game is set. There are no potential members because Johan Franzen was injured before the Games began. These are the potential potentials:

Nat. Player Olympic Gold World Championship Stanley Cup Current NHL team
Canada Jay Bouwmeester Canada 2003, 2004 St. Louis Blues
Canada Jeff Carter Los Angeles Kings 2012 Los Angeles Kings
Canada Dan Hamhuis Canada 2007 Vancouver Canucks
Canada Chris Kunitz Pittsburgh Penguins 2009 Pittsburgh Penguins
Canada Patrick Sharp Chicago Blackhawks 2010, 2013 Chicago Blackhawks
Canada Martin St. Louis Tampa Bay Lightning 2004 Tampa Bay Lightning
Sweden Nicklas Bäckström Sweden 2006 Washington Capitals
Sweden Alexander Edler Sweden 2013 Vancouver Canucks
Sweden Jhonas Enroth Sweden 2013 Buffalo Sabres
Sweden Jimmie Ericsson Sweden 2013 Not in NHL
Sweden Loui Eriksson Sweden 2013 Boston Bruins
Sweden Niklas Hjalmarsson Chicago Blackhawks 2010, 2013 Chicago Blackhawks
Sweden Marcus Krüger Chicago Blackhawks 2013 Chicago Blackhawks
Sweden Gabriel Landeskog Sweden 2013 Colorado Avalanche
Sweden Johnny Oduya Chicago Blackhawks 2013 Chicago Blackhawks
Sweden Henrik Tallinder Sweden 2013 Buffalo Sabres

After the "rookies" were added to the potential members table I dared to remove Jeff Friesen, Jamal Mayers, Pavel Kubina, Milan Hejduk and Oleg Tverdovsky. They all recently retired, as it was announced on the internet. There are no actual information about Friesen, but I think he won´t play anymore, even at olympics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.177.130.40 (talk) 17:22, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Nope, not a problem at all. I didn't even realize that Hejduk had retired. -- Scorpion0422 00:04, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Petr Sýkora announced retirement. I think, that in the "Potentials" table there will be only Canadians soon. Among the non-Canadians, only Evgeni Malkin is under 30!--89.177.131.155 (talk) 19:46, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Also Martin Straka recently announced retirement. The engine of Czech first line in Nagano olympics and Jágr´s linemate in Penguins.--89.177.128.198 (talk) 18:29, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

World Championships

As far as I can tell, there are no potential members in the Worlds this year. Its not surprising since players usually give this one a miss during Olympic years.

Stanley Cup

Nat. Player Olympic Gold World Championship Stanley Cup Current NHL team
Canada Jarome Iginla Canada 2002, 2010 Canada 1997 Boston Bruins
Canada Dany Heatley Canada 2010 Canada 2003, 2004 Minnesota Wild
Canada Rick Nash Canada 2010, 2014 Canada 2007 New York Rangers
  • So the SC play offs are finished, I see some quick as a flash updatings in the main table, great. And I have carper comments to the table content: As I can say, Miroslav Šatan announced retirement after World Championship. I also noticed adding of Andrei Loktionov to the main table. Sure he won worlds gold in Minsk, but as it is to find on the web (e.g. here: [1]), in my opinion, he is not able to be enlisted here, he didn´t play enough matches in the season and he is probaly not written on the cup. And I have one suggestion, related to those four guys under the main table: it would be honest for them to be enlisted in the main table as same as the others. They all are great players, especially Patera and Ručínský. There´s no reason for keeping them out. They have zero chance to join the club? As same as the large majority of the table. Thanks for consideration of my thoughts. And one questin more - do you understand, that Justin Williams wasn´t even put in the Canadian pre-olympic roster? He wouldnn´t be worse than many of the Canadian team in Sochi.89.177.130.180 (talk) 09:13, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
Looks like the each year there are new tables created for potential players. I would agree with you on Loktionov he did not qualify and was not added by petition so I removed him from the list. As for the others if they sign with an NHL team they can be re-added to the list. I also removed Miroslav Šatan since he did retire. --Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 23:30, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
    • Thanks for the comments. Regarding Satan, I usually update current teams and remove names shortly before the beginning of the next NHL season, so I was in no hurry to remove him. With Loktionov, I added him because he dressed for two playoff games during the Kings Stanley Cup run and the minimum to get your name on the cup is one. But, I did a search and according to this, he was left off the cup for whatever reason. The four guys below the table are there for a simple reason: They need a Cup and are not in the NHL. Great players? Sure. But since they aren't in the NHL (and are unlikely to return), I didn't think their inclusion was necessary. Thanks again for the help with the list. -- Scorpion0422 16:05, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
For Loktionov I'm guessing the two games weren't in the finals which is whats required for automatic inclusion. I didn't look into it so I could be wrong.--Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 16:13, 18 June 2014 (UTC)


Crosby

Latest comment: 12 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Potential members 2015

Latest comment: 10 years ago8 comments6 people in discussion

Stanley Cup

Nat. Player Olympic Gold World Championship Stanley Cup Current NHL team
Canada Shea Weber Canada 2010, 2014 Canada 2007 Nashville Predators
Canada Rick Nash Canada 2010, 2014 Canada 2007 New York Rangers
Canada Jay Bouwmeester Canada 2014 Canada 2003, 2004 St. Louis Blues
Canada Brenden Morrow Canada 2010 Canada 2004 Tampa Bay Lightning
Sweden Mattias Öhlund Sweden 2006 Sweden 1998 Tampa Bay Lightning
Canada Dan Hamhuis Canada 2014 Canada 2007 Vancouver Canucks
Sweden Daniel Sedin Sweden 2006 Sweden 2013 Vancouver Canucks
Sweden Henrik Sedin Sweden 2006 Sweden 2013 Vancouver Canucks

All Canadians and Swedes this year. Hopefully the drought of not getting new members ends this year. -- Scorpion0422 18:19, 10 April 2015 (UTC)


You can remove Mattias Ohlund. He hasn't played since 2011; only reason he's still under contract is salary cap management. Crispy385 (talk) 05:59, 16 April 2015 (UTC)


Let's wait for the rosters for Prague (IIHF World Championship)! May be no such a table will be needed:-) 89.177.131.218 (talk) 19:59, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Potential potentials. There aren't many this time around, but Toews' entry and a number in the main table would need an update if the Blackhawks win, and Morrow and Steve Yzerman (GM) would become members if the Lightning win. -- Scorpion0422 16:37, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Nat. Player Olympic gold World Championship Stanley Cup Current NHL team
Russia Andrei Vasilevskiy Russia 2014 Tampa Bay Lightning

Worlds

Nat. Player Olympic gold World Championship Stanley Cup Current NHL team
Canada Sidney Crosby Canada 2010, 2014 Pittsburgh Penguins 2009 Pittsburgh Penguins

As always, there are a bunch of potential potential members. These are them. There aren't any from Russia, but it is worth noting that Anton Khudobin was part of the Boston Bruins when they won the cup, he didn't get his name on it, and I think that's a requirement. -- Scorpion0422 20:52, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Nat. Player Olympic gold World Championship Stanley Cup Current NHL team
Canada Matt Duchene Canada 2014 Colorado Avalanche
Canada Martin Jones Los Angeles Kings 2014 Los Angeles Kings
Canada Jake Muzzin Los Angeles Kings 2014 Los Angeles Kings
Canada Mike Smith Canada 2014 Arizona Coyotes
Canada Tyler Toffoli Los Angeles Kings 2014 Los Angeles Kings

And what about Tyler Seguin? He won the cup with Bruins, didn´t he? 89.177.131.105 (talk) 17:33, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

No Olympic gold there. HandsomeFella (talk) 18:23, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

I removed Libor Procházka and Pavel Patera from the main table. Procházka retired secretly, Patera´s retirement was announced even at the iihf.com 89.177.131.24 (talk) 18:34, 30 June 2015 (UTC).

2016 Potential Members

Latest comment: 9 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Stanley Cup

Nat. Player Olympic gold World Championship Stanley Cup Current NHL team
 Canada Jay Bouwmeester Canada 2014 Canada 2003, 2004 St. Louis Blues
 Canada Patrick Marleau Canada 2010, 2014 Canada 2003 San Jose Sharks

Worlds

Nat. Player Olympic gold World Championship Stanley Cup
 Canada Corey Perry Canada 2010, 2014 Anaheim Ducks 2007

The above three players are currently still eligible to win their way to the Triple Gold Club this season. – Nurmsook! talk... 00:29, 22 May 2016 (UTC)


—Let´s update it! Some players from the main table have retired - most recently Tomáš Kaberle, then also Eric Brewer, Mike Commodore, Matt Cooke and Mika Hannula. Erasing Hannula from degrading exile under the main table will make all players equal - in my opinion all potential members should be listed in one table, regardless their real chances for membership89.176.223.82 (talk) 19:48, 23 September 2016 (UTC).

2017 potential members

Latest comment: 9 years ago10 comments3 people in discussion

Canada's recent double win in the olympics means they've got most potential members a non-Olympic year like this. The remaining non-Canadians were also eliminated from the Stanley Cup playoffs.

Players

Nat. Player Olympic Gold World Championship Stanley Cup Current NHL team
Canada Jeff Carter Canada 2014 Los Angeles Kings 2012, 2014 Los Angeles Kings
Canada Drew Doughty Canada 2010, 2014 Los Angeles Kings 2012, 2014 Los Angeles Kings
Canada Marc-André Fleury Canada 2010 Pittsburgh Penguins 2009, 2016 Pittsburgh Penguins
Canada Ryan Getzlaf Canada 2010, 2014 Anaheim Ducks 2007 Anaheim Ducks
Canada Duncan Keith Canada 2010, 2014 Chicago Blackhawks 2010, 2013, 2015 Chicago Blackhawks
Canada Chris Kunitz Canada 2014 Anaheim Ducks 2007
Pittsburgh Penguins 2009, 2016		 Pittsburgh Penguins
Canada Mike Richards Canada 2010 Los Angeles Kings 2012, 2014 Free Agent
Canada Brent Seabrook Canada 2010 Chicago Blackhawks 2010, 2013, 2015 Chicago Blackhawks
Canada Patrick Sharp Canada 2014 Chicago Blackhawks 2010, 2013, 2015 Dallas Stars
Canada Jay Bouwmeester Canada 2014 Canada 2003, 2004 St. Louis Blues
Canada Patrick Marleau Canada 2010, 2014 Canada 2003 San Jose Sharks
Canada Rick Nash Canada 2010, 2014 Canada 2007 New York Rangers
Canada Shea Weber Canada 2010, 2014 Canada 2007 Montreal Canadiens

Again. None of the players can make the triple gold club. The ones needing the cup are gone. The ones needing the WC are evidently not on the roster of Team Canada according to the wiki page. What's the point of this short list? LordAtlas (talk) 05:29, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

To keep track of players who could enter this club? If you look at the history, you will notice that this list was added at the end of the regular season. – Sabbatino (talk) 09:43, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
And none of these players can join this year. LordAtlas (talk) 22:43, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
They could not, but that is not the reason to remove them. – Sabbatino (talk) 06:20, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
It says "2017 potential members". They no longer have potential. No one saw a problem with removing the non-Canadian, nonplayoff players. LordAtlas (talk) 06:25, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
What are you talking about? This and similar edits? Those players ARE retired so they most certainly can not qualify for the TGC. – Sabbatino (talk) 06:45, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
"The remaining non-Canadians were also eliminated from the Stanley Cup playoffs." So where'd they go then? LordAtlas (talk) 06:50, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
I will repeat again – what are you talking about? Specify the diffs or names of the players. – Sabbatino (talk) 09:10, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
"Remaining non Canadians" referred to the Sedin twins, who were eliminated from winning NHL when Vancouver was eliminated, before the end of the regular season. After that I just crossed the names on the list out when players' teams were eliminated. I was waiting for a finalized Canadian roster, which explains why I didnt early on cross out the rest of the names.

Right now we should focus on figuring out which players from Sweden join the "potential members" list with their WC golds. Henrik Lundquist should be one... there are probably others out there. If no one else wants to do it Ill do that myself when I return home and have access to a computer again. -- Lejman (talk) 12:44, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

@Lejman: The Sedin twins, Henrik Lundqvist, Marcus Krüger and Joakim Nordström are the only potential members from the 2017 Swedish team.
@Sabbatino: Thanks, added them now! -- Lejman (talk) 12:21, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
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2018 Winter Olympics

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Based on the rosters for the 2018 Olympics, I can only see one potential new Triple Gold Club member and three "potential potential" members:

  • Pavel Datsyuk - If 'Olympic Athletes from Russia' wins, he looks like the only one who can join the club this time around, having won Stanley Cups with the Detroit Red Wings (2002 and 2008) and the World Championships with Russia (2012)
  • Ilya Kovalchuk - If 'Olympic Athletes from Russia' wins, he would only be missing a Stanley Cup, having won the World Championships twice with Russia (2008 and 2009)
  • Slava Voynov - If 'Olympic Athletes from Russia' wins, he would only be missing a World Championship, having won Stanley Cups with the Los Angeles Kings (2012 and 2014)
  • Brian Gionta - If the United States win, he would only be missing a World Championship, having won a Stanley Cup with the New Jersey Devils (2003)

There are a lot of young players in this tournament, so this could be the first step for many who will eventually compete in the other tournaments. Dafoeberezin3494 (talk) 19:11, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Yes, there is only one potential TGC member on the rosters, but you have found only three "potential potentials"? There are many many more, listed on rosters of Russia, Sweden, Finland, Czech Republic, Canada and even Slovakia! No need to make a list until the final game, I think. 78.45.138.34 (talk) 20:42, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

2018 Stanley Cup potential potential members

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This year 3 or 4 members will get their second title of three needed for the Triple Gold Club:

Players

Nat. Player Olympic Gold World Championship Stanley Cup Current NHL team
Canada Cody Eakin Canada 2015 Vegas Golden Knights
Sweden William Karlsson Sweden 2017 Vegas Golden Knights
Sweden Oscar Lindberg Sweden 2013, 2017 Vegas Golden Knights
Sweden Nicklas Bäckström Sweden 2006, 2017 Washington Capitals
Russia Evgeny Kuznetsov Russia 2012, 2014 Washington Capitals
Russia Dmitry Orlov Russia 2014 Washington Capitals
Russia Alexander Ovechkin Russia 2008, 2012, 2014 Washington Capitals

Marc-André_Fleury, already a potential member, can add another cup to his resumé. -- Lejman (talk) 10:01, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Potential members

Latest comment: 4 years ago4 comments4 people in discussion

Inclusions in this list should be limited to active players and coaches. This is a table to see who might join the Triple Gold Club someday (which can't happen after a player is retired), and the very large number of retired players who have won two out of three would make the table size otherwise impractically large. Entries can be removed from this list if they definitively announce their retirement from professional/international hockey, or if there is general consensus that a player is beyond the end of their career but without a formal retirement announcement. Edits for the latter case are encouraged to ask for feedback before submitting updates.--Irregulargalaxies (talk) 20:45, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Players

Nat. Player Olympic gold World Championship Stanley Cup Current NHL team
Canada Samuel Blais Canada 2023 St. Louis Blues 2019 St. Louis Blues
Canada Drew Doughty Canada 2010, 2014 Los Angeles Kings 2012, 2014 Los Angeles Kings
Canada Matt Duchene Canada 2014 Canada 2015, 2016 Dallas Stars
Canada Aaron Ekblad Canada 2015 Florida Panthers 2024, 2025 Florida Panthers
Canada Marc-André Fleury Canada 2010 Pittsburgh Penguins 2009, 2016, 2017 Minnesota Wild
Canada Adin Hill Canada 2021 Vegas Golden Knights 2023 Vegas Golden Knights
Canada Ben Hutton Canada 2016 Vegas Golden Knights 2023 Vegas Golden Knights
Canada Martin Jones Canada 2015 Los Angeles Kings 2014 Toronto Maple Leafs
Canada Darcy Kuemper Canada 2021 Colorado Avalanche 2022 Los Angeles Kings
Canada Milan Lucic Canada 2023 Boston Bruins 2011 Free Agent
Canada Nathan MacKinnon Canada 2015 Colorado Avalanche 2022 Colorado Avalanche
Canada Brad Marchand Canada 2016 Boston Bruins 2011, Florida Panthers 2025 Florida Panthers
Canada Ryan Murray Canada 2016 Colorado Avalanche 2022 Free Agent
Canada Jake Muzzin Canada 2015 Los Angeles Kings 2014 Toronto Maple Leafs
Canada Ryan O'Reilly Canada 2015, 2016 St. Louis Blues 2019 Nashville Predators
Canada Alex Pietrangelo Canada 2014 St. Louis Blues 2019, Vegas Golden Knights 2023 Vegas Golden Knights
Canada Sam Reinhart Canada 2016 Florida Panthers 2024, 2025 Florida Panthers
Canada Brayden Schenn Canada 2015 St. Louis Blues 2019 St. Louis Blues
Canada Tyler Seguin Canada 2015 Boston Bruins 2011 Dallas Stars
Canada Mike Smith Canada 2014 Canada 2015 Free Agent
Canada Jordan Staal Canada 2007 Pittsburgh Penguins 2009 Carolina Hurricanes
Canada Mark Stone Canada 2016 Vegas Golden Knights 2023 Vegas Golden Knights
Canada Tyler Toffoli Canada 2015, 2023 Los Angeles Kings 2014 San Jose Sharks
Canada Shea Weber Canada 2010, 2014 Canada 2007 Chicago Blackhawks
Czech Republic Michal Kempný Czechia 2024 Washington Capitals 2018 Not in NHL
Czech Republic Ondřej Palát Czechia 2024 Tampa Bay Lightning 2020, 2021 New Jersey Devils
Czech Republic Jan Rutta Czechia 2024 Tampa Bay Lightning 2020, 2021 San Jose Sharks
Finland Marko Anttila Finland 2022 Finland 2019, 2022 Not in NHL
Finland Hannes Björninen Finland 2022 Finland 2022 Not in NHL
Finland Niklas Friman Finland 2022 Finland 2022 Not in NHL
Finland Teemu Hartikainen Finland 2022 Finland 2022 Not in NHL
Finland Juuso Hietanen Finland 2022 Finland 2022 Not in NHL
Finland Leo Komarov Finland 2022 Finland 2011 Not in NHL
Finland Mikko Lehtonen Finland 2022 Finland 2019, 2022 Not in NHL
Finland Petteri Lindbohm Finland 2022 Finland 2019 Not in NHL
Finland Eetu Luostarinen Finland 2019 Florida Panthers 2024, 2025 Florida Panthers
Finland Saku Mäenalanen Finland 2022 Finland 2022 Not in NHL
Finland Sakari Manninen Finland 2022 Finland 2019, 2022 Not in NHL
Finland Niko Mikkola Finland 2019 Florida Panthers 2024, 2025 Florida Panthers
Finland Atte Ohtamaa Finland 2022 Finland 2019, 2022 Not in NHL
Finland Niko Ojamäki Finland 2022 Finland 2019 Not in NHL
Finland Juho Olkinuora Finland 2022 Finland 2019, 2022 Not in NHL
Finland Harri Pesonen Finland 2022 Finland 2019, 2022 Not in NHL
Finland Ville Pokka Finland 2022 Finland 2022 Not in NHL
Finland Toni Rajala Finland 2022 Finland 2019, 2022 Not in NHL
Finland Harri Säteri Finland 2022 Finland 2022 Not in NHL
Finland Frans Tuohimaa Finland 2022 Finland 2022 Not in NHL
Finland Sami Vatanen Finland 2022 Finland 2022 Not in NHL
Russia Sergei Bobrovsky Russia 2014 Florida Panthers 2024, 2025 Florida Panthers
Russia Sergey Kalinin OAR 2018 Russia 2014 Not in NHL
Russia Vasily Koshechkin OAR 2018 Russia 2009 Not in NHL
Russia Evgeny Kuznetsov Russia 2012, 2014 Washington Capitals 2018 Carolina Hurricanes
Russia Evgeni Malkin Russia 2012, 2014 Pittsburgh Penguins 2009, 2016, 2017 Pittsburgh Penguins
Russia Dmitry Orlov Russia 2014 Washington Capitals 2018 Carolina Hurricanes
Russia Alexander Ovechkin Russia 2008, 2012, 2014 Washington Capitals 2018 Washington Capitals
Russia Vadim Shipachyov OAR 2018 Russia 2014 Not in NHL
Russia Sergei Shirokov OAR 2018 Russia 2012, 2014 Not in NHL
Russia Andrei Vasilevskiy Russia 2014 Tampa Bay Lightning 2020, 2021 Tampa Bay Lightning
Russia Slava Voynov OAR 2018 Los Angeles Kings 2012, 2014 Not in NHL
Russia Egor Yakovlev OAR 2018 Russia 2014 Not in NHL
Russia Andrei Zubarev OAR 2018 Russia 2014 Not in NHL
Sweden Nicklas Bäckström Sweden 2006, 2017 Washington Capitals 2018 Washington Capitals
Sweden Oliver Ekman-Larsson Sweden 2017, 2018 Florida Panthers 2024 Toronto Maple Leafs
Sweden Victor Hedman Sweden 2017 Tampa Bay Lightning 2020, 2021 Tampa Bay Lightning
Sweden William Karlsson Sweden 2017 Vegas Golden Knights 2023 Vegas Golden Knights
Sweden Marcus Krüger Sweden 2017 Chicago Blackhawks 2013, 2015 Not in NHL
Sweden Gabriel Landeskog Sweden 2013, 2017 Colorado Avalanche 2022 Colorado Avalanche
Sweden Joakim Nordström Sweden 2017 Chicago Blackhawks 2015 Not in NHL

Coaches

First, let me point out that I have no idea what the IIHF's rules are when it comes to coaches. Since Babcock's role at the 2004 World Championships was as an assistant, I think it's safe to assume that roles as both head and assistant coach are included. There are a few odd cases out there of players winning the Olympics as a player, then the Worlds as a coach. Or, in the case of Vyacheslav Bykov, both as a player, then the worlds as a coach. There's also the strange case of Vladimír Růžička. He was a part of the 1990 Stanley Cup winning Edmonton Oilers, but didn't play enough games to get his name on the cup. He did, however, get a ring and was in the team picture. He then won a gold with the Czechs in 1998 as a player. As a coach, he led the Czechs to a World Championship in 2010.

This isn't a definitive list, but here are some coaches that have won 2 of the 3 as either a head coach or assistant coach.

  • Bengt-Åke Gustafsson (Sweden) won Olympic gold in 2006 and IIHF World Championship in 2006
  • Ken Hitchcock (Canada): won Stanley Cup in 1999 (Dallas Stars) and Olympic gold in 2002 and 2010 (assistant coach)
  • Jacques Lemaire (Canada): won Stanley Cup in 1995 (New Jersey Devils) and won Olympic gold in 2010 (assistant coach)
  • Per Mårts (Sweden): won Olympic gold (assistant coach) in 1994. Won World Championship in 1992 (assistant coach) and 2013.
  • Jukka Jalonen (Finland): won IIHF World Championship in 2011, 2019, 2022 and Olympic gold in 2022

As I remember (the source article is probably buried in the depths of iihf.com), Mike Babcock was not an assistant at the 2004 World Championships. Joel Quenneville was announced to lead the team, but he suddenly became ill and Babcock replaced him as the coach. So I think to be an assistant is not enough to enter the TGC eventually. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.177.130.40 (talk) 17:30, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

THE LIST OF COACHES: I think, that only active head coaches should be listed. So Bengt-Åke Gustafsson and Oleg Znarok just now. But this is nearly an academic debate, the chance of European chach to be the head coach of an NHL team is very small... 78.45.138.34 (talk) 16:14, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

And, of course Jukka Jalonen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.102.34.102 (talk) 20:06, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Hall of Fame

Latest comment: 16 years ago15 comments4 people in discussion

Two of these players have been inducted into the Hall of Fame. For the purpose of this list though, wouldn't IIHF's Hall of Fame be more relevant than NHL's Hall of Fame? The NHL list seems quite Canada-focused with 222 of 244 players being from Canada. They surely are a great hockey nation, but the IIHF's membership base is a lot more evenly spread and would probably be a fairer assessment of skill for the Soviet/Russian and European players. Lejman (talk) 22:47, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

The IIHF Hall of Fame tends to lean more towards play in international competitions like the Olympics and world championships. You have to remember that a key component in this club is the Stanley Cup, the NHL's championship. Even if it does tend to lean more towards Canada, it does still induct international players (it doesn't help your argument when the only two club members inducted are from Russia). -- Scorpion0422 23:11, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
I have had the thought myself, but adding an IIHF key instead of replacing seems to make more sense. Since there are no NHL-HHOF-only members on the list (both Russians are IIHF-HHOF members too), only two colours are needed in the end. For now. --Bamsefar75 (talk) 03:26, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
That the two inducted are Soviets rather than Canadians is probably more related to the fact that they quit earlier. 3 of the 5 Canadians are still active, the other two retired in 2009. Though I agree that the Stanley Cup is an important part of the award, and that a lot of skillful players have missed the other medals because of peculiar rules regarding amateurism, a group with 91% Canadians is very unlikely to have assembled the best players in the world irrespective of nationality. I like Bamsefar's solution though, and approve implementing his notion.Lejman (talk) 15:52, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
For a Hall of Fame to be included here, it should be open to players from the NHL and international competitions. The IIHF Hall of Fame generally doesn't induct players from just the NHL. Check out the inductees , only a few of the Canadian players (Gretzky, Lemieux and Harry Sinden) are known mostly for NHL careers (and only a handful of the international players spent any significant time in the NHL). Now, considering that 1/3 of the required championships is the Stanley Cup, does it really seem right to include a Hall of Fame that largely ignores the accomplishments of players from the league? It's true that the Hockey Hall of Fame does generally go for the NHL (it's not surprising), but it is open to international players as well. If you want, I suppose the HHOF could be removed, though I'd rather leave it in there. -- Scorpion0422 01:15, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
I see how the NHL Hall of Fame is more relevant as far as NHL experience goes. Based on who they have inducted, IIHF Hall of Fame seems more relevant as far as World Championship and Olympic experience goes. They do both to some extent overlook accomplishments made elsewhere. Some players have been mostly successful in the NHL, some have been mostly successful in international play (and some actually have been mostly successful in other leagues). Being successful in both the NHL and in international play is required to join the Triple Gold Club. I don't think either Hall of Fame needs to be included in the article, but would prefer the inclusion of both to give a view of both aspects of the players' accomplishments.Lejman (talk) 05:03, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
Inducting solely on NHL experience may is relevant to Hall of Fames in general, but to achieve Triple Gold Club, international experience is important too. (It's, for logical reasons, impossible to obtain Triple Gold Club without playing important international competitions.) Stanley Cup is indeed important, which is a limitation of IIHF's hall of Fame, as it mainly covers 2/3 of the Club's championships. On the other hand, Stanley Cup only covers 1/3 and is highly lopsided towards NHL players. (The Hockey Hall of Fame page mentions this.) I would prefer including both Hall of Fames as they sort of complement each other, but it is true neither covers all three aspects well, so we can go with suggestion instead.Lejman (talk) 23:09, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
There is a difference though. The Hockey Hall of Fame (the fact that you never tried to get their name right shows you're biased against it) is open to both NHL & international players (well, in theory). However, the IIHF Hall of Fame is specifically for international play. I've never been a big fan of the "if I can't get my way let's just remove everything" line of thinking. -- Scorpion0422 03:49, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
How about just removing it all together? —Krm500 (Communicate!) 01:53, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
Removing it altogether is an option that works. I think I've been clear that I think the Hockey Hall of Fame and IIHF Hall of Fame together complement each other, but that neither in itself is open enough for other players. Lisiting only one of them makes it lopsided. I'd prefer including both, but neither is necessarily needed, so including neither makes sense too. This doesn't have to become a discussion on 'bias' or 'my way' etc. It's more than clear that I've been trying to discuss this.Lejman (talk) 11:22, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
We should only include HoFs open to everyone. Otherwise, why not also include the Canadian Sports Hall of Fame, which would highlight the Canadian players, and also complement the Hockey Hall of Fame? -- Scorpion0422 18:45, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
To accomplish the triple gold feat, competing at the top level internationally is required. Players whose accomplishments are solely within the NHL and who are overlooked by the IIHF Hall of Fame are not eligible for the Triple Gold Club anyway. There's limited information about the IIHF Hall of Fame, so I haven't been able to find sources supporting its overlooking of league accomplishments, but regardless its short existance and limited memberlist means it's still likely to be missing big players. As far as the Hockey Hall of Fame goes, there's several sources stating it's more of a NHL Hall of Fame and that there are few players who have never played there who have been inducted. Trusting your statement that the IIHF is biased towards international competition, neither Hall of Fame is focusing equally on the three championships. The name of The Hockey Hall of Fame proudly implies it's "The" Hockey Hall of Fame (which I don't mind, I think it's cool), but may be a cause for confusion for those who do not know the HoF's origin. (I'm not sure that's a problem among Canadians or Americans, but possibly among Europeans.) After IIHF formalized the Triple Gold Club - which led to us awaiting their approval of Babcock's inclusion as the first TGC Coach - they are now technically the 'official source' behind the club, which means people can mistake "The Hockey Hall of Fame" to refer to their hall of fame. With IIHF becoming the official source I originally thought it would be better to replace the Hockey Hall of Fame with IIHF's Hall of Fame. As I trust the notion that the IIHF Hall of Fame leans more toward Olympic and WC competitions, both HoF's come across as limited in scope. Despite The Hockey Hall of Fame's occasional induction of players who never played in the NHL, they certainly have a bigger focus on accomplishments within the NHL than international accomplishments. It's fair, it's their thing, it also means they aren't focusing equally on the three aspects of the TGC. I can appreciate the point of including the Hockey Hall of Fame in the article to balance IIHF Hall of Fame, but on their own the focus on accomplishments within the NHL strongly outweights the focus on accomplishments within the world championships and olympics when the focus should be split 1:1:1 among the three competitions. - Lejman (talk) 23:06, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
Your first statement isn't true though. There are lots of NHL players who have accomplished a lot in international play who aren't in the IIHF Hall of Fame. And the same is true of the HHOF as well (but it doesn't help your argmument when the only two club members who have been inducted are both Russians who accomplished more internationally than they did in the NHL). Besides, I don't see why including the one Hall of Fame is so horrible. Right now there are only two, but as more club members become eligible, it will help show how exclusive the club is (looking through, there are 8 members that are pretty much locks for induction, and a few others who have a strong chance). Looking through your arguments, I see more of a bias against the HHOF than anything. Yes, there are a lot of NHLers in there, but can you really blame a North American-based Hall of Fame for predominantly inducting players from the largest & most prestigious hockey league in the world? Is it a coincidence that the only three club members inducted into the IIHFHOF are Swedish players, and you happen to be from Sweden? -- Scorpion0422 18:33, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
To be honest I had to double check. You're right, discounting the two Russians who are in NAHOF as well, all 3 IIHFHOF so far are Swedes. I don't blame the NAHOF for being NA focused. I simply don't see that their bias toward NHL is smaller than IIHFHOF's bias toward international play. To me it seems illogical to list a Hall of Fame when there is an official Hall of Fame, belonging to the entity in charge of the club, that is being excluded. That is why I bother.Lejman (talk) 06:15, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

There you go with that "NAHOF" nonsense again. The fact that you aren't even bothering to try to get the name right shows you're against it. Okay, let's look at this in terms of future inductees. The eight players I see as virtual locks for the Hockey Hall of Fame are: Forsberg, Blake, Sakic, Shanahan, Niedermayer, Pronger, Jagr and Lidstrom. Mogilny also has a good shot. For the IIHFHOF, you can cross out pretty much everyone but Forsberg, Jagr and Mogilny, and add Fetisov and Larionov to the list. So, keeping that in mind, the Hockey Hall of Fame is open to more members. Because, like I've been saying, it's open (in theory) to NHL & international players whereas the IIHFHoF pretty much ignores NHL careers. -- Scorpion0422 01:33, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Hall of Fame RFC

Latest comment: 13 years ago4 comments4 people in discussion

Should membership of Hockey Hall of Fame and/or of IIHF Hall of Fame be presented on the Triple Gold Club page? -- Lejman (talk) 17:38, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

  • I won't advocate removal, but for the most part I think such highlighting is often done for decorative purposes rather than informative. There isn't really a close tie between this topic and either hall of fame. But there's no harm in leaving it as is. Resolute 23:59, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
  • I'd remove the Hockey Hall of Fame before I would add the IIHF. But I agree with what Resolute also says. -DJSasso (talk) 14:16, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
  • I'm happy with the status quo. Hall of fame membership is nice to know about, and the current format leaves no doubt that everyone on the list is in the Triple Gold Cup. Hall of fame membership is just icing on the cake. --BDD (talk) 15:12, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

References


"Forgotten Firsts"

Latest comment: 12 years ago6 comments5 people in discussion

There seems to be a fair bit of edit-warring about whether Frank Fredrickson, Haldor Halderson, Dunc Munro, Hooley Smith and Dave Trottier should be included in the Triple Gold Club and therefore in this article. The debate could use a resolution, but I'm not entirely sure how to stop it, aside from asking the IIHF about it straight up. Is that too far to go? Is there someting I'm missing here? I feel a discussion is in order. 24.87.39.23 (talk) 21:09, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

There's been a long and tedious discussion on the IPs user page. Nobody is saying those five shouldn't be mentioned. In fact, the version we keep reverting to includes them. He insists on speaking in absolutes, so full-out calling them Triple Gold Club members despite a lack of sources. He's also been making a few POVish edits here and there (ie. Saying "three decades" which sounds more impressive than 6 of 7 tournaments or saying that all of Canada's top players during the 70s were in the NHL). -- Scorpion0422 23:01, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

I think, that those five could be introduced in similar table as the regular TGC members, but, with all respect, their membership isn´t the same as the contemporary TGC´s. NHL in their times = just six teams and only two series to win SC, Olympic games announced as World Championship (no need to win two different tournaments)... I think this is not the same TGC. Let´s keep it separated, like Ottawa Senators then and now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.177.130.40 (talk) 16:58, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

I've been discussing it with others and we'd prefer to keep them as text. Putting them in a table calls more attention to it and gives it undue weight. It's the same reason why the list of potential members is here on the talk page and not in the article. It's interesting, but in the end a very minor part of the topic. -- Scorpion0422 00:04, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Well, the debate will inevitably end when the lone person advocating such undue coverage is inevitably blocked long term. Their attitude seems to be that they will war as long as it takes to get what they want, and that won't fly here. And I agree with scorpion0422. I say no to any sort of table, until and unless that person can show a reliable source that states these five are members of the club. Resolute 15:24, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

The paragraph should make it clear that the IIHF doesn't recognise these five as members.--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 18:24, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

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