Talk:Theatre of Ukraine

Spelling

The article currently uses a mix of spellings. @Aleksandr Grigoryev: you started this article using the spelling "theater" rather than "theatre". Is there a reason to use that choice, please? Both spellings are used within the United States, and "theatre" is the more common spelling worldwide. – Fayenatic London 16:19, 22 November 2025 (UTC)

Fayenatic london, the spelling of theater is the more common in the United States. I am not sure what you mean by "worldwide". I think theatre is more of the British style. When I created the article, I was not aware that there was a certain way to write in English other than the American way. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 02:46, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

Sorry, by "worldwide" I meant in coverage of other countries here in English Wikipedia. – Fayenatic London 21:20, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

Fayenatic london, I think it should be moved to "theatre" to maintain uniformity. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 02:49, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for this consent. I think there are now sufficient grounds to go ahead with renaming. – Fayenatic London 21:20, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

Nope, there are no sufficient grounds for a renaming. What do you even mean with a mix of spellings? This article pretty much mostly uses American English. The only instance where the other spelling is used is for Coryphaei. Per MOS:RETAIN, we should keep the variety for consistency. We should judge articles on a case-to-case basis. This is really unnecessary nitpicking. StephenMacky1 (talk) 21:34, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

StephenMacky1 please desist from reinstating deadlinks, nowiki tags and undoing other copy edits. If you can't be bothered to distinguish controversial from uncontroversial edits, leave it to me and I will reinstate the "theater" spellings for further discussion. – Fayenatic London 22:04, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

I have now reinstated the spelling "theater" where it was used. – Fayenatic London 22:12, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

As for what's unnecessary, You could have just reverted my edit "change spelling to theatre, as agreed on talk page", but chose to also revert my updates to external links and nav templates. Your reinstatement of dead external links on the grounds of "No consensus" fails every test of constructive editing. You also chose to revert the nav template from 57 links under Theatre of the World to a mere 26 links under the redlinked title Theater in the World, and you changed 11 links from blue to red within the Europe template. Do you not check your work at all?

As for mix of spellings: There were 20 instances of "theatre" on the page last week. On closer examination I see that they were mostly in the citations rather than in the article text, but if anything I would argue that that strengthens the case for using "theatre", provided that the citations are from English-language sources. The short section "Modern" was also consistently using the spelling "theatre" (although I see that I have now changed some of those to "theater").

As for "keeping the variety", it appears that you may have misunderstood the policy. I don't believe that it means articles should carry on presenting a mixture of ENGVARs, which is what you reverted to. It means that one ENGVAR should be used consistently within the wiki text. This excludes quotations, and of course citations. I suppose it does mean, however, that if there is consensus for "theater", then internal links such as Theatre of Coryphaei & Les Kurbas Theatre should be piped to the other spelling.

But since the original article creator Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk · contribs) has conceded that a change in spelling would be a positive move, MOS:RETAIN is not binding. The fallback rule in that guide is explicitly only to be used "in the absence of consensus". – Fayenatic London 23:10, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

I was reverting a controversial edit made by another editor as well, which caused further inconsistency. Do not make controversial edits and then blame me for the mess made by others. You are the one who unilaterally makes changes on articles. You need to know that Wikipedia is a collaborative project and you cannot just go around making unilateral changes. The article was created with American English and expanded with the American English spelling. Per MOS:RETAIN: When no English variety has been established and discussion does not resolve the issue, use the variety found in the first post-stub revision that introduced an identifiable variety. From what I can see, this is the American English spelling. Two editors do not make a consensus and that is actually your personal interpretation of MOS, for which there is no support. Article creators are not owners of articles, nor can they make unilateral decisions about articles. This article was edited by around 50 editors and their opinions matter as well. Now find a better way to contribute to the project and do not bother editors with such petty stuff. StephenMacky1 (talk) 00:45, 24 November 2025 (UTC)

Fayenatic london, my apologies for any offense. You can make the desired spelling changes and move if no one else objects. StephenMacky1 (talk) 13:29, 27 November 2025 (UTC)

Thanks very much, StephenMacky1, that is helpful. I arrived here (looking at the page names) from the categories, which do all use the spelling "theatre" even for the US, but inconsistently use "of" or "in" following their lead article page names. See Category talk:Theatre by country. I'm hoping to harmonise category names, even if variations persist among article names. – Fayenatic London 15:06, 27 November 2025 (UTC)

Requested move 28 November 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jeffrey34555 (talk) 06:20, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

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Theater in Ukraine → Theatre of Ukraine – The spelling change to "theatre" is currently unopposed, see section #Spelling above. Using "of" rather than "in" would fit with the article content and be consistent with a larger number of other countries, see Category_talk:Theatre_by_country#Naming_subcats_using_"in"_or_"of". However, "Ukrainian theatre" would also be acceptable. – Fayenatic London 16:04, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

• Support especially if its a consistent spelling across other countries

Agnieszka653 (talk) 17:44, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

I'd say wait until an established ENGVAR is decided by a consensus. Support, why not. Thanks, 1isall (he/him) (talk | contribs) 02:17, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.