Talk:The Tramp

Latest comment: 1 year ago by Viriditas in topic Odd quote

References need improvement

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The references for this article say things like, "Article 20, p. 215." This does not provide enough information about the source to verify the claims made in the article. I know nothing about the subject and so cannot improve these myself. RJC TalkContribs 19:05, 9 October 2010 (UTC)Reply

check I have found the source (Maland) and improved the citation details. Andrew D. (talk) 18:06, 7 March 2015 (UTC)Reply

I can verify that the citation attributing things to Chaplin's Autobiography are all misquoted. There is a similar passage in the book on p144, but this is clearly a bad paraphrase. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.53.245.55 (talk) 22:45, 10 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

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Who owns the modern-day rights to the character/his likeness? Chaplin's estate? Paul Benjamin Austin (talk) 08:10, 18 November 2019 (UTC)Reply

Limelight

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Isn't it worth mentioning that Chaplin's character in Limelight, Calvero, is renowned for playing a tramp clown — regardless of whether this is "The Tramp" or not? —DIV (1.145.27.253 (talk) 14:08, 15 October 2023 (UTC))Reply

Odd quote

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In Modern Times, Chaplin creates a "portrayal consistent with popular leftist stereotypes of wealthy business leaders and oppressed workers in the 1930s."

I don't have time to look up the entire quote in its original context, but this doesn't read right. The film was made in 1936 during the Great Depression. This was not a "stereotype", nor was it something on the "popular left" as a POV. This was reality. Most ironically, this idea that business leaders were not wealthy and did not oppress workers is a right wing fantasy, not a stereotype. I'm leaning heavily towards removing it and replacing it. Viriditas (talk) 22:51, 31 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

The edit history indicates that the quote might not be the original quote at all. I have to look at the original source material now, but my spider-sense might be on to something. Viriditas (talk) 22:56, 31 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
Yes, the source indicates that the quote was altered. I will temporarily restore it before deciding what to do with it. Viriditas (talk) 22:58, 31 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
I removed it. It had been changed in whole or in part by two different editors. The context was specifically written about the role of Electro Steel Company. Also, prior to this passage, the author notes the ambiguity, which means that this passage was intended as a contrast, again the entire meaning in context is lost. The word "business leaders" isn't used by the author, they use "wealthy capitalists", which was changed by another user. The notion of a "leftist stereotype" is also lost, because the author is describing the stereotypical boss and his treatment of workers which is explained in the source text. Viriditas (talk) 23:11, 31 May 2025 (UTC)Reply