Talk:Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Mutant Mayhem/Archive 1

Archive 1

Page Title

The films title has yet to be formally revealed. The most we have is the title Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: The Next Chapter that has been mentioned by a ton of reliable sources. That logo which was used by Paramount + was used to encompass the whole franchise (it has not been clarified whether the villain spin-offs are a part of this films universe). I think it's for the best if we just rename the page to The untitled Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles film for now. Averyfunkydude23 (talk) 08:14, 02 May 2022 (UTC)

Edit war

Administrator note (here in response to an AIV report I declined): @ZX2006XZ, Averyfunkydude23, NoobMiester96, CreecregofLife, and Maxbmogs: Well this is rather disappointing to see from multiple experienced editors. All these reverts, back and forth, and not a single comment on talk about the page's content. Stop reverting. Start discussing. I don't believe in punishing other editors for the short tempers of a few, so, rather than full protection, whoever reverts next is getting partially blocked from this page. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 21:36, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

I’ve been off most of the day due to two very frustrating simultaneous discussions elsewhere. Of course I’ve been confused as to why Funkydude is removing such a huge chunk. Maybe I was too naive to think a revert from a second person would deter them from reverting again. I wasn’t expecting to see it still waged. Then I was tagged here. CreecregofLife (talk) 21:53, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

I've been adding a lot of the sourced stuff on the page, but Funkydude refuses to accepts them and the changes that were added. NoobMiester96 (talk) 02:24, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

I've tried discussing with you on here and on your talk page. I ask for reputable sources but you fail to bring one everytime, or even simply respond. I don't know where you get stuff like Paramount Animation or Nickelodeon Movies being production companies on the film (the latter hasn't even been hinted in any articles for this film). But I guess I shouldn't even be surprised, since one glance at your talk page shows you have a history of adding unsourced information to other pages. Disappointed that this situation didn't get looked into deeper. Averyfunkydude23 (talk) 10:26, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

The page has been protected, and I have blocked Dude for 24 hours for a clear 3RR violation. Daniel Case (talk) 04:57, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much. NoobMiester96 (talk) 18:12, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Production nationality

There's been an edit war over the past few days over whether this is solely an American film, or an American, Latvian, Lithuanian, Estonian and Turkish coproduction. IMDb, for the record, says it's the latter and not the former — and while it's true that IMDb can be incorrect sometimes, you must show reliable sources which explicitly verify that IMDb is wrong before you can remove those statements from the article. What's especially important here is that the removal of those categories is causing me to get repeated notifications that Category:Lithuanian animated films is being repeatedly emptied by this edit war — I had to create that category because this had to be moved out of the base Category:Lithuanian films category, but if this edit war continues it will just keep going back into that category again and have to be moved out of it again, causing the animated films subcategory to get repeatedly created and deleted and recreated and redeleted.
Accordingly, I've applied one week of semi to the article because the editwarriors are all IP numbers, and have posted to WP:FILM to request additional input, as I have no responsibility to put up with even one more second of this crap getting rubbed in my face. Figure out what's right and what's wrong, and then leave it the hell alone. If there's consensus that it is a Baltic coproduction, then leave the damn Baltic categories alone, and if there's a consensus that it isn't a Baltic coproduction, then don't readd Baltic categories. One way or the other, just figure it the hell out and make damn sure that I never see another notification about Category:Lithuanian animated films again in my lifetime. Bearcat (talk) 22:04, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

The film definitely isn't any of those latter things. That was just added by an anonymous vandal. For all we know the movie is either American or Canadian-American since the only two production companies involved with it are Point Grey Pictures and Nickelodeon Animation (with Paramount Pictures distributing) according to all these sources. There is no mention of any Latvian, Lithuanian, Estonian and Turkish production companies. Averyfunkydude23 (talk) 7:27, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

There has been debate on whether it's just American or Canadian-american. Since Point Grey Pictures is owned by Canadians, but it is actually located in the Los Angeles California. I think it's the former Averyfunkydude23 (talk) 05:42, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

References

Paramount Animation

Thought I'd address the elephant in the room, or turtle for that matter: Is there even a source that Paramount Animation is co-producing the film? I mean Nickelodeon Movies has released two computer-animated films (PAW Patrol: The Movie and Paws of Fury: The Legend of Hank) that weren't produced by Paramount Animation. Just curious. XSMan2016 (talk) 15:51, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

I've found these mentions of Paramount Animation and Nickelodeon Animation Studios here: "We are beyond thrilled by this world-class cast we’ve assembled to bring these iconic, beloved characters to life in a new chapter of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles universe. This really sets a new bar for this globally celebrated franchise, and we can’t wait to show audiences this film,” said Nickelodeon Animation and Paramount Animation Ramsey Naito in a statement I would leave them out until there is confirmation from a trailer, poster or reliable source. After all, if it's not in reliable third party sources, it doesn't belong in Wikipedia. No matter how true it may be. Mike Allen 15:28, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Edit warring again

There is the edit warriors with Foothand and Zingo156, who keeps reverting everytime. LancedSoul (talk) 19:30, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Trying to resolve edit war

As I said, my lead fits the leads of every other superhero film page from the MCU and DCEU films. Zingo156, however, keeps reverting, citing that it makes the page "worse", despite, again, being the standard in superhero film pages. If it makes the page worse, then it wouldn't be used anywhere. Foothand (talk) 20:04, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

And it's not used in any other TMNT pages. It's not part of the MCU or DCU, so we don't need consistency with those.

More importantly, your edits keep removing significant coverage of the voice cast. It's careless to keep reverting. oknazevad (talk) 23:03, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

The fact that your edits are similar to Lemaroto makes it looks like you are abusing multiple accounts. I was referring to Foothand, BTW. LancedSoul (talk) 23:23, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

If that's a problem, just change the other pages so all TMNT pages have this lead. This lead not only appear in pages of the MCU or DCEU, but previous films that are not part of those universes, like Spider-Man (2002). And I'm not removing anything of the cast, just changing that lead. Foothand (talk) 15:45, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

But they are not DCU or MCU films, and there is no need to be consistent with those. The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are not associated with any particular publisher, so you can't open the article up with "based on the DC/Marvel Comic character." '' Based on the superhero team the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles'' doesn't say anything about who created or owns them or where they originated (in this case, comic books). Besides, the Wikipedia pages for The Dark Knight trilogy, The Lego Batman Movie, and Big Hero 6, all open up in a similar fashion, so it is not mandatory. Zingo156 (talk) 12:41, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Poster with billing

Link: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0057/3728/3618/files/scan002_b2a5c1bd-c077-4b46-aa7b-089b2ad6c006.jpg 179.228.223.101 (talk) 02:10, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

That's a poor quality and low resolution. LancedSoul (talk) 02:13, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

I honestly think we should put the billing version. It's going to be shrunk anyway so the block will inevitably be unreadable, and it actually has more image as seen here. IAmNMFlores (talk) 02:04, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

See this discussion about posters with billing blocks here. Yes, a poster with a billing block is generally preferred over one without. But a big reason as to why is because they act as an additional way to verify information to put in an infobox, like the order of casting. If there is no high-quality version with a readable billing block, it is not needed. Especially if the quality is as low as the image you keep proposing. You keep arguing that there is more image, but also that the color is much worse compared to the current file. Doesn't help that unlike IMP Awards that source, Movie Posters, isn't as reliable. Zingo156 (talk) 06:49, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Well with that discussion, the billing block was not availible on the website like this one has AND was used to mainly determine the cast ordering, which this billing block doesn't have; so we have a readable block easy to access so it doesn't matter if this one is readable. Altered coloring is something common I've seen with billing block posters, mainly from Universal Pictures ones tho. I know Movie Posters isn't AS reliable as IMP, but it's not unreliable. Scroll through the site and you'll see they only deal in official posters. IAmNMFlores (talk) 14:51, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Well, it isn't really ''altered colouring, but more that the poster you are suggesting is of poor quality. Universal Pictures has an image press site, which is where the posters with billing blocks for The Super Mario Bros. Movie and Oppenheimer have been found. Both those posters are in good quality, just as are the versions without billing blocks on IMP Awards. Also, Movie Poster pages are more likely to be deleted. It happened with Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom, which is why I replaced the poster with the one on the IMP Awards. There isn't any good reason to put the poster you are suggesting, and having a poster with a billing block is preferred, but not mandatory. Zingo156 (talk) 17:44, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

The Universal ones with billing blocks AND release dates usually have a bit of alteration, like with Jurassic World: Dominion and Oblivion. Only reasons these 2 are not used on the Wiki is because 1. People didn't care for the alteration and preferred a standard one even if it meant not having a release date for Dominion, and 2. I didn't change the Oblivion one because it had less image than the non-alteted one. Since you brought up Movie Posters can delete their posters, I will allow the non-block one to remain. If I somehow find another source with a block, I will return. IAmNMFlores (talk) 18:25, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Once again not ''alteration'', just loss of quality in the color specifically. Same with the poster you uploaded to The Last Voyage of the Demeter. The images taken directly from that Universal press site don't have that issue. Just the ones from random sites, particularly Movie Posters. Zingo156 (talk) 05:35, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

MrBeast cameo

Can this link be added for details of a voice acting related cameo of MrBeast? 141.239.235.96 (talk) 17:51, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

April O'Neil

Thread started by a banned editor-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 16:00, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Why can't I write that this is the second African American iteration of April O'Neil by Nickelodeon? What's the big problem? Dr. House Was Always Right (talk) 09:59, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Those sources you linked were written by someone that supports Comicsgate, a hate group. 141.239.235.96 (talk) 07:00, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Do you have any evidence of that or it's just a random accusation based on a guess or a speculation? And it wasn't just one source? Dr. House Was Always Right (talk) 20:40, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Some thoughts

Zingo156, sorry for the long-ass wait! As requested I'm going to give a few of my thoughts into this. I believe it is overall ready to get the green circle, it just needs some tweaks, from which a GA reviewer will season the article. I'll continue with the rest later. GeraldWL 05:11, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

LEAD:

• What is the general consensus on referring to the turtles? I see some mentions of Turtles but also ones that aren't capitalized. Then there's also turtle brothers in the plot.
• Nickelodeonm, or Nickelodeon Movies? Or Animation Studio? Lead, infobox, and development sec.s contradict each other
• Considering you have a Themes section (which is always nice to read!), you might wanna include a summary on that in the lead, after the movie's logline.
• Since you already cite its BO gross in the reception, you don't need that citation in the lead anymore. The budget can be put in the BO section too, in layouts like "The film grossed .... against a budget of ... for a worldwide total of ..."

PLOT:

• Link mutagen, unlink housefly and whale, italicize ninjutsu
• NYC is a COMMONNAME and thus excessive linking.
• All the characters are referred to by their first names, which is the standard, but why "Stockman"?
• "adoptive rat father, Splinter after"-- redundant comma
• "past an embarrassing viral incident of vomiting on camera"-- it should be clear that April finds this embarassing, it is not objectively embarassing
• "Utrom painfully "milks" the turtles for their mutagen"-- again, whether or not its painful, it's subjective to the turtles; I think this can be omitted. Could change this to "Utrom extracts the turtles' mutagen"
• The overall plot is engaging, and it stays at the safe zone of 500ish words, although I feel like if you could merge them into 4-5 paragraphs that would make it easier to navigate. Also for the mid-credits scene, if it's possible try and merge it into the plot without having to mention it being mid credits.

CAST:

• Remove the full stops in the cast bullet lists as they're not full sentences
• The descriptions of the turtles are not so neutral. "geek", "tech guru", "goofball", "most mature", "sarcastic", "brash". Plus I don't think it is essential in this article, considering the other characters' attitudes are not described too, rightfully so.
• You can just add a sentence above the bullets "Credits adapted from multiple references:[5][6][7]" instead of having to duplicate-cite it all
• "Scumbug is a mutant cockroach and member of Superfly's gang. The character uses a blend of different voices, but is credited to Alex Hirsch." --> "Scumbug, a mutant cockroach and member of Superfly's gang, uses a blend of different voices, but is credited to Alex Hirsch."

PRODUCTION:

• "from a screenplay from Brendan O'Brien" --> "from a screenplay by Brendan O'Brien"
• Link Twitter, Billing (performing arts)
• If Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: The Next Chapter redirects here, it'd be a good idea to bold it too