Talk:Ted O'Brien

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Factional alignment

The article (at the time of writing) claims that O'Brien is aligned with the moderates. But both of the articles cited show that he is factionally unaligned. Meowxr (talk) 03:08, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

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Requested move 15 August 2025

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jeffrey34555 (talk) 00:32, 22 August 2025 (UTC)

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Ted O'Brien (Australian politician) → Ted O'Brien – The article this is disambiguated with is an American politician who is inherently less notable because he is not currently sitting in the legislature, per the article's content. The Australian politician is currently sitting in parliament and has been a shadow minister so he has contributed significantly to the Coalition's policies. Not to mention that this is the more detailed article. In all modes you can change the page views detail to, the Australian politician is the one that is most likely to be searched for. Qwerty123M (talk) 04:25, 15 August 2025 (UTC)

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Qwerty123M (talk) 04:25, 15 August 2025 (UTC)

Support, agree with the reasons above. GraziePrego (talk) 04:39, 15 August 2025 (UTC)

• Support, primary per pageviews. 162 etc. (talk) 05:25, 15 August 2025 (UTC)
• Support, but I disagree with the nominating statement. This article is the primary topic. The American politician was only in the New York Senate for 2 years, whereas the Australian politician has been a member of the Australian House of Representatives since 2016, and is the deputy leader of the opposition and deputy leader of the liberal party. I don't think we should be basing this move on which article is more detailed or whether one person is currently sitting in a legislature though. Steelkamp (talk) 16:08, 15 August 2025 (UTC)

Minor correction. He is the deputy leader of the Liberal Party, but NOT the deputy leader of the Opposition. That is David Littleproud, leader of the National Party. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 18:28, 15 August 2025 (UTC)

As per his Australian Parliament biography, O'Brien is in fact the deputy leader of the opposition. I guess this discrepancy between the senior party hosting the deputy leader in opposition and the junior party providing the deputy prime minister is because of terms of the coalition agreement, but it's a secret document so we can't know. 00:07, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

Qwerty123M (talk) 23:04, 15 August 2025 (UTC)

Ah, my bad. Sorry. Liberal–National Coalition says: "The leader of the National Party becomes the deputy prime minister during periods of Coalition government." (my bolding) That implies: ... but not deputy leader of the opposition during periods of opposition. Which means the reward for the Ted O'Briens for the coalition winning government is that they get demoted, from deputy leader of the entire Coalition to merely deputy leader of the majority party, which they were before anyway. What a weird arrangement. No wonder I was confused. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]}

• Support as primary topic. However, I completely disagree with the nom's comment that the American "is inherently less notable because he is not currently sitting in the legislature". This is simply rubbish. We do not favour currently active people over non currently active people. But generally we do favour members of national legislatures over members of sub-national legislatures (unless the latter are very notable and/or the former are very non-notable). -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:05, 21 August 2025 (UTC)

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