Talk:Synchronised swimming

Requested move 15 March 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. No prospect of consensus to move at this time. Andrewa (talk) 15:25, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

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Synchronised swimming → Artistic swimmingArtistic swimming – It is time to revisit moving this page, two years after the discussion above and three years after the name was changed (see https://swimswam.com/fina-renames-synchronized-swimming/). The name of this sport is currently artistic swimming as per the international governing body FINA (see http://www.fina.org/discipline/artistic-swimming) and the International Olympic Committee (see https://www.olympic.org/artistic-swimming). The new name was used at 2019 World Aquatics Championships (see https://www.fina-gwangju2019.com/) and the 2018 Asian Games (see https://en.asiangames2018.id/sport/artistic-swimming/). It will used at the 2020 Summer Olympics (see https://tokyo2020.org/en/sports/artistic-swimming/) and the 2020 European Aquatics Championships (see https://len-budapest2020.com/artistic/). Most national governing bodies have now followed suit, such as USA Artistic Swimming, whose CEO stated in 2020 that "19 of the top 25 countries in the world are either partially or fully using the name artistic swimming" (see https://www.sportstravelmagazine.com/usa-synchro-rebrands-to-usa-artistic-swimming/). Zyxw (talk) 07:58, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose - what an activity is called by one governing body is not authoritative to the activity as a whole. There is no evidence that the COMMONNAME of this has changed. The only acceptable change would be to move it to synchronized swimming (with a "z") as that is the most common spelling by far according to Google Ngrams English overall (and in British English), Scholar, and is in use by the Encyclopedia Brittanica itself. -- Netoholic @ 09:18, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment: It is no longer just one governing body. As of 2020, most regional and national governing bodies also use the name "artistic swimming". It is also used in reliable sources written after the name change, which should be given extra weight according to WP:NAMECHANGES. I realize that some might think it doesn't meet WP:COMMONNAME just yet. If this request to move the page to artistic swimming fails, I would agree that it should be moved back to synchronized swimming (the original title until a page move on 3 December 2015). -- Zyxw (talk) 11:59, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
    • WP:NAMECHANGES applies names (ie personal or official names) not everyday terms. -- Netoholic @ 04:57, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose for now. Synchronised swimming is a very well-established term, and it should require fairly strong evidence to change this. BD2412 T 02:31, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose (at least for now). Synchronised swimming is the WP:COMMONNAME. jamacfarlane (talk) 04:04, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
• Closing comment: I note that all the evidence supporting the move seems to be primary sources. There's a strong consensus not to move at this time, and I'd suggest that this is at least part of the reason. But my closing is just based on assessing clear consensus. Andrewa (talk) 15:25, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

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Cheerleading hyperlink

Why does "cheerleading" hyperlink to the article on competitive swimming? --FlailingMadness (talk) 01:21, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

• The connection to cheerleading seems dubious; I've simplified the opening sentence, which no longer includes this link. 162 etc. (talk) 23:02, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

"Upside down"?

Synchronised swimming demands advanced water skills, great strength, endurance, flexibility, grace, artistry and precise timing, as well as exceptional breath control when upside down underwater.

Is that last part literal? Granted, I'd find it quite challenging to control my breath—or much of anything—were I to have to hold myself upside down underwater (which, fortunately, hasn't happened yet). But I wonder if this actually means "…exceptional breath control when submerged." If so, I'd say that. (I haven't presumed it to change it myself, as my own synchronized swimming experience—as you may have guessed by now—is negligible.) – AndyFielding (talk) 10:11, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

• I've trimmed the paragraph containing this sentence, as it was rather unencyclopedic in tone. 162 etc. (talk) 23:16, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure what the confusion was. They swim upside-down (head facing the bottom, legs sticking up) and obviously have to hold their breath while doing it. Mclay1 (talk) 17:18, 13 June 2026 (UTC)