Talk:Sudanese civil war (2023–present)

Equipment loss list

below is a list of equipment lost in the war by both sides similar to Oryx or Warspotting

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18zPuB2oihA29WUUY2P_XBwKLvvpto6_771yeBwzb5WE/htmlview ~2026-20806-80 (talk) 16:30, 4 April 2026 (UTC)

Infobox

Hello all, i have made a couple of changes to the infobox, especially related to repeated sources being used there (ive moved most to the article body and removed those that were already in), i also added other countries mentioned as supporting either side (Kenya, Uganda, Qatar, South Sudan, etc) and added a small part about the alleged LNA attack on SAF positions.

The article still seems to have a lot of issues, so i would be glad if more editors please helped, some sources might also not be very reliable, though i havent removed any in case someone might disagree, if someone wants to change anything i did, feel free to do so.

MySalsa22 (talk) 23:42, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

@MySalsa22: Please do not add "Supported by" section to the combatants without any context. Template:Infobox military conflict explicitly says The practice of writing in a "Supported by" subheading is deprecated. Supporting a side is a vague statement and doesn't make a country a combatant. Provide sources of direct military involvement. -UtoD 18:26, 17 April 2026 (UTC)

Well, im not the one that added these foreign countries in at first, i did add Qatar on later, though the reason i added "supported by" was because they at first looked like belligerents, which isnt accurate considering that most of these countries did not participate directly.

As for some of these participants, like the LNA or CAR rebels, they did, allegedly at least, take part in hostilities (its written in the article body), so including them would make some sense.

A lot of what i did by the way was also move sources from infobox to the body, removing the UAE for an example, to me, doesnt make sense since it has been one of the biggest suppliers of RSF in this war, plus the only countries included which provided "vague statements" are Uganda and maybe South Sudan, all others have been accused of actually taking sides.

Either way, as said before, im not the one who added most of these countries, i just separated them so it wouldnt give the impression that they were active belligerents - Sources btw are in article body, many of them were also repeated in infobox, so i dont think its needed to have them in the infobox (it crowds way too much, especially for editing things in or out). MySalsa22 (talk) 22:43, 17 April 2026 (UTC)

Just saw that Wagner and others werent removed, sorry for the misunderstanding lol. MySalsa22 (talk) 22:47, 17 April 2026 (UTC)

South Sudan is occupying Sudanese land as they still control Heglic after RSF and SSPDF met there. Kiir has been somewhat neutral maybe more leaning towards SAF but its weird that they control land in sudan but aren't mentioned in the belligerents Brown caterpillar12 (talk) 22:52, 17 April 2026 (UTC)

I dont know a lot about this specific situation so i wont really give my opinion on it, but if any other editors support this idea i wont oppose it, considering that, from what ive seen, South Sudan has somewhat been involved in this more directly.

Also, i want to know whats your opinions on the Liberated Areas, if we keep them as a 3rd combatant or move them as a co-belligerant of the Sudanese Government, from what ive read they have so far been neutral, but have mostly fought against RSF in Darfur.

MySalsa22 (talk) 03:38, 18 April 2026 (UTC)

Split foreign involvement into a separate page

Hello everyone, i want to know your opinions on separating foreign involvement into a separate page, similar to what is done to the Russo-Ukrainian war article, mostly so we can make this article more concise/summarized (it currently is too legthy, especially when it comes to specific countries supporting each side, also good to note some countries are missing)

MySalsa22 (talk) 15:34, 19 April 2026 (UTC)

I support this as foreign involvement in Sudan civil war is a pretty big part of the current fighting going on. Not just UAE but also other countries like Turkey Saudi-Arabia and Ethiopia also play a big role. I think that foreign involvement will play an even bigger role in the future as the war continues to draw out so it could be good to start early on the article so it's easier for the future. What comes to writing the article there may be challenges tho. As the Ukrainian civil war is different in that western countries have funded the ukrainians a lot and the funding has been pretty central to the whole war. In the case of an Sudanese article I think that it would be a challenge to write but as long as i'm not doing it I support the idea. Brown caterpillar12 (talk) 16:57, 19 April 2026 (UTC)

I also support this for the reasons stated by everyone here. This is going to be a very long page as the conflict continues. More is being discovered about this topic as well. Fishestablishment (talk) 00:53, 26 April 2026 (UTC)

I also support this for the reasons stated by everyone here. This is going to be a very long page as the conflict continues. More is being discovered about this topic as well.

Fishestablishment (talk) 00:53, 26 April 2026 (UTC)

Support per nom. Lova Falk (talk) 09:04, 4 May 2026 (UTC)

I created the Draft:Foreign involvement in Sudanese civil war (2023–present) and copypasted the current foreign involvement to there. It should be changed a lot but its a start nonetheless. Brown caterpillar12 (talk) 16:54, 4 May 2026 (UTC)

Thanks! i was going to do something similar but didnt have enough time to do so. MySalsa22 (talk) 20:14, 4 May 2026 (UTC)

The foreign involvement page is up and hopefully doesn't get deleted :) In the meantime we should start summarizing this page. I'm wondering would it be a good idea to remove smaller countries like Saudi or Haftars LNA or should we just shorten the articles fully

Brown caterpillar12 (talk) 07:22, 8 May 2026 (UTC)

I think shortening might be better then removing, mainly because it might be a bit difficult figuring out how much weight is the involvement between all the countries. Alternatively, we could discuss the smaller countries involved in a shorter summary before the list of major countries and then direct more detailed descriptions of involvement in the new draft. Ideas?

Fishestablishment (talk) 23:19, 8 May 2026 (UTC)

Support this idea, removing isnt the best idea IMO, summarizing the smaller countries and focusing on the larger ones here is better, while still keeping all the current information in the relevant article. MySalsa22 (talk) 02:09, 9 May 2026 (UTC)

Belligerents

Hello all.

I think the current infobox is kind of too crowded, i suggest we remove the specific units/groups from the main part and maybe make a separate section inside (units involved?) for them.

For an example, i dont think we need to list every single SLM or SPLM group in the main part, maybe just keeping to the main ones (or a general thing like "SLM and SPLM splinter groups") would work better.

MySalsa22 (talk) 22:08, 21 May 2026 (UTC)

By the way, as for SAF, maybe also moving ibn malik to that section could work too, same for some groups in the Darfur force.

MySalsa22 (talk) 22:09, 21 May 2026 (UTC)

Just wondering what does the Janjaweed under RSF mean in the infobox. Janjaweed doesn't exist anymore as it was divided between Abu Tira, CRF and Border Intelligence around 2005 (Later RSF also). Maybe a source would point readers in to a right direction. Wikipedia as a whole seems to have a issue on the Janjaweed but then again Janjaweed is a bit of a vague term from the get go. Brown caterpillar12 (talk) 15:47, 27 May 2026 (UTC)

Janjaweed sometimes could refer to basically any militia, incorporated into a major organization or not, formed by the Rizeigat and other Sudanese Arab tribes, many of these militias from my understanding havent fully merged into RSF or these other organizations as of currently, so i thought id keep it in the infobox.

Also, as it appears, many non-aligned Arab militias have joined RSF in their fight, including in the Darfur massacres, so i thought a better term for them would be grouping under Janjaweed rather than "Non-aligned Arab tribal militias" (also pretty vague and too extensive for the infobox). MySalsa22 (talk) 16:36, 27 May 2026 (UTC)

Good point. I think the infobox is pretty good now. I first put Non-RSF Janjaweed on the SAF side because i have seen too many people think that the war is SAF versus Janjaweed which can be a bit misleading but its best removed to avoid any unecessary clutter. Brown caterpillar12 (talk) 17:32, 27 May 2026 (UTC)

Like i suggested before, i think its a good idea to keep the main belligerents part more concise, so maybe moving some of the units involved to its proper part is a good idea. MySalsa22 (talk) 17:35, 27 May 2026 (UTC)

I propose we make a separate article for the list of belligerents, like the List of armed factions during the Syrian civil war article RossoSPC (talk) 01:32, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

Created the page for Draft:List of belligerents during the Sudanese Civil War (2023–present) it can be built from there but then again we'll see if there is enough factions for the page to be created Brown caterpillar12 (talk) 09:52, 3 June 2026 (UTC)