Talk:Russian attacks on civilians in the Russo-Ukrainian war (2022–present)

Edit extended-protected request on 19 June 2025

At the end of subsection #Kyiv Oblast remove 'at list 17'
add 'at least 28' 78.81.123.235 (talk) 10:29, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

 Done TylerBurden (talk) 19:21, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

@TylerBurden Thank you 78.81.123.235 (talk) 22:36, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 June 2025

Two redundancy fixes:

Change "afternoon hours" to "afternoon".

Change "drone bombardment on the city in the early hours of 17 June" to "drone bombardment on the city early on 17 June". Mepperelf (talk) 20:27, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

 Done Thepharoah17 (talk) 23:24, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

Requested move 26 October 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jeffrey34555 (talk) 00:14, 4 November 2025 (UTC)

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Russian attacks on civilians in the Russo-Ukrainian war (2022–present) → Russian attacks on civilians in the Russo-Ukrainian warRussian attacks on civilians in the Russo-Ukrainian war – I am unsure of where the "Russian attacks on civilians in the Russo-Ukrainian war" redirect should be targeted. As far as I am aware, no other Wikipedia article exists that is specifically about this topic. The simplest solution to this issue would be to broaden the scope of this article. Because the status quo creates a WP:MISPLACED situation that violates WP:ATDIS, those who oppose this move should propose an alternative fate for the "Russian attacks on civilians in the Russo-Ukrainian war" title. –Gluonz ^{talk contribs} 17:08, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose – The parenthetical is not disambiguation, it is an integral part of the article title. This article is a subpage of Russo-Ukrainian war (2022–present), and therefore must follow the parent article per WP:CONSISTENT. The 'base title' did not exist until you created it. Russo-Ukrainian war is a completely separate article. Yours, &c. RGloucester — ☎ 22:06, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

Reply can be seen at Talk:Violations of non-combatant airspaces during the Russo-Ukrainian war (2022–present)#Requested move 26 October 2025. –Gluonz ^{talk contribs} 01:13, 27 October 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose per RGloucester and consistency with parent article. CNC (talk) 20:44, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

New

You can add some new information, maybe of Human safari on Kherson.

On March 29, 2026, around 11:00 AM, Russian troops launched a drone attack on a civilian vehicle in the Korabelnyi district of Kherson. According to Oleksandr Prokudin, Head of the Kherson Regional Military Administration, a 43-year-old woman was killed on the spot as a result of a direct hit. Additionally, a 74-year-old man sustained moderate injuries. The victim was hospitalized with a concussion, explosive and closed craniocerebral injuries, as well as shrapnel wounds to his arm.

Every day, there is a hunt for people and vehicles in the city; people are frequently killed or injured.

Information about the Zaporizhzhia region and the city of Zaporizhzhia can also be added, as it is a frontline territory. Every day, we endure terror and the loss of civilians, particularly elderly residents in rural areas. The military goes as far as shelling evacuation vehicles, firefighters, and rescue workers.

Thank you.

Валерія Матвєєва (talk) 12:26, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

Deliberate

A user is deleting adequately sourced statements because they think everything on this page must be a “deliberate” strike. I don’t see that in the title, would that be a valid reason to delete an edit? Wouldn’t that mean that any denial by Russian military of a deliberate attack would mean a wiki editor could delete an attack on civilians from this page? Lacanic (talk) 09:18, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

In the lead: "During the Russo-Ukrainian war (2022–present), the Russian military have continuously carried out deliberate attacks against civilian targets and indiscriminate attacks in densely populated areas".

This article also describes incidents that took place on Ukrainian territory, and including Romania is a clear departure from the topic. Moreover, the President of Romania stated that the attack was unintentional: "When they were passing through Ukrainian territory, some of them were shot down. One of them was probably hit over the city of Reni, and it changed its trajectory and headed toward Galați." AlexeyKhrulev (talk) 09:54, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

None of this really answers the question -

To your point about Ukrainian territory - the article is not titled or limited to Ukrainian territory - just because other attacks took place in one specific area. Are you proposing a separate page for Russian attacks on civilians in Romania?

It also is states a series of facts with sources in the lead, but that does not mean that all subsequent facts must follow under one of those sub-categories.

This also opens up a huge conundrum that if the Russian military denies deliberate nature of any attack, you, or some other editor can come in and delete it from this page, is that what you are suggesting? How does this relate to glide bombs, or cluster munitions, or any other complex attack that, for whatever reason ends up with a civilian being injured or killed? Lacanic (talk) 11:07, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

My objection was not that every incident in this article must be proven to be a deliberate strike in the narrow sense, nor that a Russian denial would be enough to remove content. The issue is scope and characterization. This article concerns Russian attacks on civilians in the Russo-Ukrainian war, and its existing content is about attacks on civilians in Ukraine, including deliberate or indiscriminate attacks in populated areas. The Galați incident, as described by Romania’s own president, appears to have been a drone that was diverted after being shot down over Ukrainian territory and then changed trajectory toward Romania. That is a different type of incident: a spillover/cross-border airspace incident, not an attack on Romanian civilians.

Including it here under a new "Romania" section would imply that Russia attacked civilians in Romania, which is not supported by the source. A better venue, if the incident is notable enough, would be an article dealing with drone incursions, airspace violations, or spillover incidents during the war (like this). WP:SYNTH and WP:UNDUE does not require placing every civilian injury connected in some way to a Russian drone into this article when the reliable sources do not characterize it as an attack on civilians. AlexeyKhrulev (talk) 12:21, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

That is a different type of incident: a spillover/cross-border airspace incident, not an attack on Romanian civilians. Russia has consistently and deliberately violated Romanian airspace and sovereignty (that was the 28th fallen drone, or 46th counting drone fragments and debris, most having been unequivocally Russian), it has already shown little interest in shielding the war from third countries by deliberately and intentionally attacking a NATO member state, and it has been striking civilian targets with no strategic value on Ukrainian towns across the border for 4 years. Intentionally poking the possibility of inciting spillover incidents in a way that makes you maintain plausible deniability is still a deliberate way of putting civilians at risk. The Romanian president is clear in the source you've linked: Russia bears full responsability, as (I'm now citing a separate source ) "Russia's behavior disregards international law and the safety of the citizens of a NATO member state".

The attack seems not to have been intentional, so that should be mentioned, but it is very serious that civilian casualties have been inflicted on NATO member state territory, and Russia is responsible, in a way beyond an abstract "because Russia started the war" (which would still be enough to blame it by the way). Fully oppose removing mention of the incident, restore it with appropriate context: accidental individual incident in the context of continuous actions consistently disregarding civilian safety in third countries, this having preceded dozens of Russian drone and drone fragments falling into Romania. Regarding the section header, maybe it could be changed to "Incident in Galați, Romania" or something like that. Super Ψ Dro 09:34, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

I've incorporated your note and added NYT source. Lacanic (talk) 21:53, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

You write that "The attack seems not to have been intentional". That is not my impression. I find it unlikely that Russia should be sending off such attacks by accident.

But I find it extremely plausible that Russia in many cases causes damage other places than at some specifically intended target. That is maybe in line with your thoughts? Joreberg (talk) 11:47, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

Russia has destroyed most of many cities, towns and villages in Ukraine, like Toretsk, Marinka, Vuhledar, Rubizhne, Bakhmut, Mariupol, Avddivka, Chasiv Yar and Soledar.

Russia has attacked more than 3000 health care targets.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2026/05/1167468

Russia has attacked more than 4000 schools and universities.

https://saveschools.in.ua/en/

Russia has attacked more than 2.5 million housing units.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/11/1166360

Russia has attacked more than 700 churches.

https://persecution.org/2026/03/06/hundreds-of-churches-destroyed-by-russian-forces-in-ukraine/

Arguing about whether each of these attacks was "deliberate" or not, will require mind reading. When a school is demolished by Russian artillery, drone or missile attacks, it is very difficult to know exactly what the person firing the cannon or sending off the drone or missile was thinking of.

If the Russians destroy a school instead of a church one day, and a church instead of a school another day, it doesn't really make much difference. The school and the church are destroyed, no matter if it was "deliberate" or not.

Wikipedia should focus on proven facts, and limit the number of attempts on mind reading. Joreberg (talk) 11:41, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

It's quite rare to have smoking-gun evidence of deliberate attacks on civilians. The article is called "Russian attacks on civilians", so attacks can be included even if the civilians weren't the target.

Of course Ukrainian attacks also lead to civilian casualties from time to time and per WP:NPOV we should mention it too.

Btw the sourcing for the statement "Russian military have continuously carried out deliberate attacks against civilian targets and indiscriminate attacks in densely populated areas" is quite thin. None of the three source says it explicitly. Alaexis_¿question? 12:18, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

Agree but the title actually does say Russian attacks on civilians, so that’s explicitly what this page is about. Lacanic (talk) 12:22, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

"quite thin"? Are you suggesting Wikipedia just assume every time Russia drops a bomb on Ukraine that their pilots just accidentally flew in Ukrainian airspace and accidentally released their payload? Or are you saying Russia is unaware that civilians live inside major Ukrainian cities?--CitationAuditor (talk) 22:33, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

Either way, one of the contributors to this thread, AlexeyKhrulev, has been topic banned for their pro-Russian WP:BATTLEGROUND behaviour. A Russian drone striking a civilian building is an attack, simple as that. TylerBurden (talk) 05:25, 10 June 2026 (UTC)