Talk:Rogan josh

GA review

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Nominator: Chiswick Chap (talk · contribs) 19:17, 8 February 2026 (UTC)

Reviewer: A.Cython (talk · contribs) 01:34, 9 February 2026 (UTC)

I will review this now. A.Cython(talk) 01:34, 9 February 2026 (UTC)

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Comments

While I enjoyed reading the article about a dish that has international appeal, I am afraid, I have to quick fail this one based on WP:GAFAIL#2.

• There are strong similarities and/or close paraphrasing, which are detected by Earwig's Copyvio Detector, two websites in particular:

• I provide and an example, where the similarities are too strong to ignore:
  • From the current article Rogan josh consists of pieces of lamb or mutton braised with a gravy flavoured with garlic, ginger and aromatic spices (clove, bay leaves, cardamom, and cinnamon), and in some versions incorporating onions or yoghurt. After initial braising, the dish may be finished using the dampokhtak slow-cooking technique. Its characteristic deep red colour traditionally comes from herbs such as the dried flowers or root of Alkanna tinctoria (ratan jot, dyer's alkanet) or from Kashmiri red chilli (lal mirch).
  • From Rogan josh consists of pieces of lamb or mutton braised with a gravy flavoured with garlic, ginger and aromatic spices (cloves, bay leaves, cardamom, and cinnamon), and in some versions incorporating onions or yogurt. After initial braising, the dish may be finished using the dampokhtak slow cooking technique. Its characteristic deep red colour traditionally comes from dried flowers or root of Alkanna tinctoria (ratan jot) and from liberal amounts of dried, deseeded Kashmiri chilies (lal mirch).

Please address these concerns and once this is done, you can resubmit for GAN. A.Cython(talk) 02:39, 9 February 2026 (UTC)

Reply

A.Cython, this QF is a mistake. Their websites contain descriptions of the dish that resemble ours because they copied Wikipedia. Here is the evidence:

is dated 2024 (and comes from St Kitts), but in 2023 we already had that text. They copied us.

is dated February 3, 2015. In January 2015 we already had that text. They copied us.

I would be grateful if you could undo the QF and resume the GAN review. Many thanks, Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:04, 9 February 2026 (UTC)

@A.Cython:..? Vestrian24Bio 11:59, 9 February 2026 (UTC)

Ok, then my mistake how do I undo this? A.Cython(talk) 13:57, 9 February 2026 (UTC)

I reverted myself. I will continue with the review. A.Cython(talk) 14:00, 9 February 2026 (UTC)

Many thanks! Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:52, 9 February 2026 (UTC)

Review

Overall, I enjoyed reading the article about a dish that has international appeal but also multi-continental roots. However, it has some rough edges that need to be addressed before reaching GA status.

Various

• Figures are ok-ish with appropriate figure captions, see my source of concern:
  • The figure depicting the origin of the dish includes the "Ancient spice trade" from Indonesia to India, this is not discussed in the main text. Please either remove it from the figure or add a brief statement related to this accompanied by a WP:RS.
    • Done.

• Copyright issues (editors provided evidence that the text in the main text is the original, as discussed above)
  • Noted.

• No edit wars
  • Noted.

• Appears to be written in a neutral way, except the following:
  • Rogan Josh has evolved from a mildly-spiced Persian I feel a bit uncomfortable with the use of word "evolved", it may imply superiority of one dish over the other. I do not see this as evolved but rather a different variation of the same dish.
    • Edited. As a biologist, I see nothing progressive about evolving, however.
      • I agree with you, but we want to avoid potential misreading/reactions from non-biologists. A.Cython(talk) 04:02, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

Prose

• Please reduce the use of WP:WEASEL words. In this ~600 words article there are six "may"s, at least use some variety, i.e., presumably, etc.
  • Another example, Many western interpretations remove "Many", it is clear (upto the point that I have read) that in the West tomatoes are used.
    • Done.

• (Madhur Jaffrey suggests anything from 4 to 16 times as much paprika as cayenne.[12]) remove brackets
  • Done.

• (available in Indian stores) or a mixture of paprika (predominantly) replace brackets with commas or remove the brackets with its contents as I do not see the added value. It is an Indian dish so of course its ingredients can be found in Indian stores.
  • Done.

• In British usage, tomatoes may be used, along with a commercial spice paste;[18] British Indian restaurants may combine tomatoes and red peppers to obtain the desired red colour. I do not understand the existence of this single sentence paragraph, because to some degree this is cover by the previous paragraph, specifically: Many western interpretations of the dish add tomatoes to the sauce. This is especially common with ready-made pour-over cooking sauces to the point where the dish may be considered tomato-based. I think it is better to merge these two parts together. There is no need to lose information, but merging is better than having two paragraphs where the second simply repeats the previous with a little more details.
  • Done.

• Consider rewriting the paragraph under the "Origin" section by being more clear when the food potentially was created, leaving this information at the end of the paragraph is not helping. Also adding range of the Mughal empire would help pinpoint the when as well, since India has a very long history. Another point to clarify is whether the dish existed prior to the arrival of red chilli. As written the text implies that it happened afterwards, but the reading from Collingham's book is that it is undetermined providing in Kashmir the dish is flavored with regional spices. Was the original dish without (imported) red chillis? Is this correct? Please be a little more clear on this point as I got confused, actually I am still am.
  • Edited, with date. Kashmir did not have the dish before the Mughals brought it in the 16th century, soon after the Portuguese brought chili peppers to India.

• Consider adding language template (langx) for words like: gošt, jōšīdan etc.
  • Done.

• Merge the two paragraphs at the lead or try to expand. If you include the info in Collingham p. 227 (see below) then you say something along the lines that in British-Indian restaurants the dish gained international recognition.
  • Done.

Sources

• Singh, Dharamjit (1973) move it to "Sources" section, it is awkward when the reader has to Ctr-F to find where the book details are located. Apologies but I am not a big fan of mix reference style. My first reaction was that the book information was missing.
  • All refs are now inline.

• I checked the claims based on the book by Collingham, Lizzie (2006) and some of the web references. They checked out.
  • Noted.

• [optional] Collingham p. 227 It was in British restaurants such as these that many Americans first discovered Indian food. In 1967 Cliff Earle, a visiting mathematician, and his wife, Liza, used to go down to London from Warwick University. They would eat spaghetti at Italian trattorias or rogan josh at Indian restaurants, preferring the tasty and inexpensive food at these establishments to the bland British food served in ordinary restaurants. Consider writing something relevant to this, as this shows how the dish obtained an international recognition.
  • Added.

A.Cython(talk) 00:51, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

Final comments

Thank you for making the changes so quickly. I believe the article has reached GA status. Congratulations to Chiswick Chap for bringing us a (tasty) article 😋! A.Cython(talk) 21:34, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

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