Talk:Revolutionary Girl Utena

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The result was: promoted by Cielquiparle (talk) 13:12, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that director Kunihiko Ikuhara created the anime series Revolutionary Girl Utena after becoming frustrated by his lack of creative control as a director of the anime series Sailor Moon? Source: "The Power to Revolutionize the World, or Absolute Gender Apocalypse?: Queering the New Fairy-Tale Feminine in Revolutionary Girl Utena"
  • ALT1: ... that Tomoko Kawakami, who voiced the title role in the anime series Revolutionary Girl Utena, secured the role in part because she did not read the character description before auditioning? Source: "ウテナ白書" [Utena Dossier]
  • ALT2: ... that director Kunihiko Ikuhara developed the cast of his anime series Revolutionary Girl Utena using the self-described principle of "never give a character only one personality"? Source: Revolutionary Girl Utena: 20th Anniversary Ultra Edition
  • Reviewed: Lee Chih-kai

Improved to Good Article status by Morgan695 (talk). Self-nominated at 18:16, 26 February 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Revolutionary Girl Utena; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: - Not done
Overall: @Morgan695: Good article. AGF on sources I can't access. waiting on QPQ. Onegreatjoke (talk) 22:14, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

@Onegreatjoke: Hi, QPQ has been completed. Morgan695 (talk) 00:50, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Approve. Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:01, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Stage Musical Actress was in AKB48?

Under the Related Media, Stage Musical section the article says that "Revolutionary Girl Utena: Choros Imaginary Living Body in 2000, which starred AKB48 member Mayu Watari as Utena." There is an citation for that clause and the cited article does contain the information presented.

There are two problems with this: AKB48 didn't form until 2005 and there hasn't been a member of the group by that name. There was a member named Watanabe Mayu, however she would have been 6 in the year 2000 and I don't believe there is any information that she was in a Utena musical. There doesn't seem to be very much out there on some of the stage musicals (at least in English), but I did find a Utena fan forum post from 2024 that translated the poster for the musical that also contains the "Watari Mayu" name in the cast listing .

So this leads me to believe that the original citation is correct in the name but not in attributing the actress as an AKB48 member. Nahainudec (talk) 19:00, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for flagging this. My knowledge of idols is fairly limited but my guess is that the CBR article has some crossed wires and is getting confused with the 2018 version of the musical, which does indeed star a former AKB48 member as Utena. For now I've removed this information from the relevant section about Choros Imaginary Living Body. Morgan695 (talk) 21:51, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

Template discussion

According to Template:Infobox animanga: if an article's primary topic is not an anime or manga series, and such series do not receive more than an incidental mention, the article should use the infobox designed for the media type of its focus (e.g. articles on novels and novel series should use {{Infobox Book}}, articles on films should use {{Infobox film}}, etc.) In this case, since this originated as an animated TV series, I think we can use {{Infobox television}}. See also this relevant discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga/Archive 77#Template question on Spy × Family (TV series).

As it will likely be a major change to an FA, I'm opening up a discussion on this here. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 00:08, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

The Spy × Family example you've cited appears to be a case where the television adaptation of the manga got large enough to be split into its own article, which isn't the case for this article. If sometime in the future this article were to be split into Revolutionary Girl Utena (manga) and Revolutionary Girl Utena (anime) we may want to use {{Infobox television}} for the latter, much like how Adolescence of Utena uses {{Infobox film}} rather than Animanga. But since this article is not exclusively about the TV series, I think the Animanga infobox is the best option here. Morgan695 (talk) 02:25, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

I tend to agree. The current article only has three paragraphs on the manga, three paragraphs about soundtrack and music, one paragraph about the Adolescence of Utena film (still haven't see it yet but I plan to watch it this year), three paragraphs on stage musicals, and one paragraph on other media. As such, this article isn't completely about the TV series, so the Animanga infobox is the right decision right now. As for Spy x Family, the television adaptation was surely large enough to merit its own article, while the manga section, at this point isn't large enough to be a stand-alone article. Historyday01 (talk) 14:08, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

So it seems from a guideline and process perspective we can't use the television infobox at the moment unless someone proposes a potential split in the future. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 18:46, 15 August 2025 (UTC)

I mean, that's my view at least. Utena is not exclusively a television series, and the infobox the article uses reflects that. Morgan695 (talk) 17:26, 16 August 2025 (UTC)