Talk:Predominant chord
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Sonata Pathétique
editThe first part of the sonata Pathetique is in C-minor and the so called predominant-chord from 169-199 is G... which is actually the dominant chord! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.97.199.166 (talk) 03:01, 30 April 2010
vi
editSorry, but a VI (vi) chord does not have a predominant function in tonal harmony. It is actually used as tonic expansion or as a tonic substitute. It precedes the dominant chords the same way that tonic chords often precede dominant chords. VI (vi) chords are usually found as voice-leading phenomenon anyway - hardly a predominant. Idlewaves (talk) 19:54, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
I64
editThe submediant is uncited, what is the problem with second inversion tonic (I64)? Hyacinth (talk) 02:24, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
Origin of the term
editI am trying to discover the origin of the term "Predominant" (and, of course, of the expressions "Predominant chord," or "Predominant function"). Tymoczko, in "Root Motion, Function, Scale-Degree" (p. 20), apparently attributes it to Robert Levin, but gives no reference. Many thanks to anyone able to provide the information (which, in addition, probably should be included in the article). — Hucbald.SaintAmand (talk) 21:50, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
- Tymoczko's paper is undated, but must be from 2002 or 2003. It gives no date for Robert Levin's usage of the term, which might be about 20 years before. A possibly early usage of "Predominant" can be found in Michael R. Rogers, Teaching Approaches in Music Theory An Overview of Pedagogical Philosophies, Southern Illinois University Press, 1984, pp. 45-48, etc. The way in which Rogers uses the term ("These functions are conventionally described as predominant (or dominant-preparation), dominant, and tonic," p. 45) seems to imply that the word existed earlier.
- The WP article refers to Forte's Tonal Harmony in Concept and Practice (1979), describing VI as "dominant preparation," but the term "Predominant" does not appear to be used there. All this points to a date around 1980 but, once again, if anyone had more precise information, I'd be grateful. — Hucbald.SaintAmand (talk) 12:57, 15 May 2025 (UTC)