Talk:Philosemitism

Philosephardism

There are more specific sections of philosemitism. Article expansion? --Houdinipeter ^talk 22:31, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Jewish response

There's one reference in the "Jewish response" section, and it goes to theforward.com and says "editorial" without linking to the actual editorial, so it's very unclear what the actual Jewish response is. Likely needs a whole rewrite! --Prince Ludwig (talk) 19:23, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Philosemitism is anti-semitic?

First line of the article, uhm, that seems rather contradictory. 2001:818:E970:4100:5190:C869:C05E:23B9 (talk) 11:18, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Totally agree. I don’t like the “let’s lead with nonsense” approach 72.83.103.199 (talk) 02:45, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Due to this strange recent edit, which completely changes the meaning of the paragraph. Should it be reverted? 96.246.240.43 (talk) 22:16, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Not a strange edit, sources for this article *already* supported that wording. Making the connection more explicit was intentional since I've seen plenty of people misunderstand what philosemitism is in recent weeks. Liz-wiki-en (talk) 23:13, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Liz-wiki-en, could you please point to the sources that support this claim? Several of the cited authors suggest that philosemitism may share tropes with antisemitism (G. Daniel Cohen, Martin Wein, Bennet Kravitz, and Liron Nagler-Cohen), but none describe philosemitism as a form of antisemitism as far as I can see. These are two distinct claims, and do not necessarily follow from each other. Thanks, Swadge2 (talk) 09:37, 4 January 2024 (UTC).

I'm aware of this argument, and am aware that there is a lot of informal discourse around it, but we do need reliable sources to include it in this article. There needs to be enough to add a whole section on it. As for the lead, at best, there's going to be a line saying something like "philosemitism is regarded by some as a benevolent form of antisemitism", but outright defining philosemitism as a form of antisemitism is going to fail NPOV. Ibadibam (talk) 06:05, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

fair enough. will scrounge up adequate sources when i have the spoons for it if no one beats me to it. Liz-wiki-en (talk) 01:03, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Japan

Shouldn't parts from the Jewish settlement in the Japanese Empire article be included in the Asia section? The Japanese acceptance of the Protocols as genuine followed by the odd conclusion that they should ally with the supposedly rich and well-connected jews certainly follows the philosemitic characteristics of otherizing and stereotyping mentioned here. — jonas (talk) 23:01, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Nietzsche

"The concept of philosemitism is not new, and it was arguably avowed by such thinkers as the 19th-century philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche, who described himself as an "anti-anti-Semite."" --- This statement in the article seems a little weird since, both etymologically and (more importantly, because sometimes etymology is misleading) according to the linked article, "anti-anti-Semite" simply means an opponent of anti-Semitism, and it's absurd to say that that's the same thing as philosemitism. Therefore, even if Nietzsche described himself that way, it seems irrelevant to the rest of the sentence, so the relative clause would need to be deleted, or perhaps "who" should be replaced with "even though he" to show that the two assertions are in tension with one another. 89.160.9.7 (talk) 08:03, 13 October 2024 (UTC)