Talk:Patient-Centered Outcomes Research Institute

Article revision

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The PCORI article was tagged over two years ago with requests for revision (1. This article needs to be updated. (March 2017); 2. The neutrality of this article is disputed. (March 2017); 3. This article includes a list of references, related reading or external links, but its sources remain unclear because it lacks inline citations. (March 2017)), with little evidence that sufficient edits were made to remove the multiple issue tags. Amongst other contributions I make across Wikimedia projects, I work with PCORI as a Wikipedian-in-Residence, and while I mainly serve as a liaison and within an educational capacity, I want to avoid any potential conflict of interest in making these edits directly so am raising this issue in this article revision request.

As some of the current information in the article is incorrect and while a number of the claims are unsourced, I worked in my Sandbox on what I here submit to our community for review as a better-sourced, accurate, and neutral article. All the sources I used in my sandbox revision are high-quality peer-reviewed articles and government documents. I avoided organizational self-references outside financial data, which is otherwise confirmed from third party government oversight sources. I posted this the Talk: page a couple days ago and have not gotten a response, so am adding a {{edit COI}} tag to try to get feedback and other community editors involved in this review.

I request community review of my draft, minus the explanatory information at the top of the page and I welcome feedback and discussion on it. I hope that together our community can revise this article in a way that brings value to our encyclopedia. --- --- FULBERT (talk) 18:58, 6 September 2019 (UTC)Reply

Feedback 06-SEP-2019

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The draft looks great! Just a few items of feedback:

  1. Ref tag No. 1 is missing completely.
  2. Under Funded research the quotation which begins with "lay and technical abstracts of the report; the complete, approved final report and study protocol; and a summary of the peer review critiques and the authors’ responses to those critiques. does not contain the closed-quotation mark of the set.
  3. The law governing PCORI prohibits it from developing or employing "a dollars-per-quality adjusted life year (or similar measure that discounts the value of a life because of an individual's disability) as a threshold to establish what type of health care is cost effective or recommended". This means that PCORI funds research studies that focus on patient-centered outcomes, rather than only on comparative effectiveness research (CER) alone. Since the quote at the beginning of this section of text is later paraphrased (after "this means"), the quote itself may be omitted in favor of supplying just the paraphrased text.
  4. The quote in the Purpose section may be only one sentence, but it is quite long and verbose, and would benefit from either being paraphrased or placed in a block quotation.
  5. Ref tag No. 2's citation template is missing the ‹See TfM›|page= parameter.
  6. Ref tag No. 12 is a listing of reports, and as such, is not very specific to where the information is located.
  7. Ref tag No. 3 (and to a lesser extent, ref tags 4, 5, and 6) give broad page ranges rather than a single page (or two, if that be the case).
  8. The claim referenced by ref tag No. 17 is WP:SYNTH.
  9. The Criticism section is unreferenced. Any critical information ought to be integrated into the main section, per WP:CSECTION.
Thank you for your help on this! Regards,  Spintendo  21:15, 6 September 2019 (UTC)Reply
Spintendo, Thanks for your careful review of this and helpful feedback. Can I make the edits in my linked sandbox here and re ping you for your feedback and guidance? FULBERT (talk) 03:33, 7 September 2019 (UTC)Reply
Once the feedback changes have been implemented and the request is ready for final review, you may either leave the draft in your sandbox or place the draft here on the talk page in-between {{collapsed top}} and {{collapsed bottom}} templates — just as long as all of the items are in one central location. Whichever way you choose, be sure to change the talk page's {{request edit}} template answer parameter to read from ‹See TfM›|ans=yes to ‹See TfM›|ans=no, to indicate that you're ready to proceed. Thank you! Regards,  Spintendo  19:44, 9 September 2019 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for the feedback and guidance as to next steps Spintendo. I believe I fixed the issues you raised and in the process included more specific and external citations throughout. I also attempted to move this draft here to make it easier to review within the tags you suggested I use for this purpose. I look forward to your review. --- FULBERT (talk) 03:19, 12 September 2019 (UTC)Reply
If I damaged some overall Talk: page formatting in the process of moving the draft here Spintendo, I can remove it again as it is the same as in my Sandbox if that helps this page be more clearly readable. Sorry for any confusion this may have caused. --- FULBERT (talk) 03:23, 12 September 2019 (UTC)Reply

Feedback 12-SEP-2019

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  1. Ref tag No. 1 is missing the pdf page number.
  2. Ref tag No. 2 is a page range of 8 pages, while the quote that this source is referencing is only 8 words in length. This would mean each word was published on its own page, which is not likely.
  3. Ref tag No. 18 points to a list of reports and does not indicate which one is to be used.
  4. Ref tag No. 4 is missing the date.
  5. Ref tag No. 13 uses the {{cite journal}} template, but is missing the ‹See TfM›|journal= parameter.
  6. Ref tag No. 20 uses a page range of 5 pages. Please confirm.
  7. Ref tag No. 21 is missing the ‹See TfM›|page= parameter.
  8. Ref tag No. 22 uses a page range of 7 pages. Please confirm.

Thank you! Regards,  Spintendo  07:43, 12 September 2019 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for your feedback Spintendo. I made all the changes you requested except Ref tag No. 4, as the date was included already and unsure what if any other changes with it were needed. --- FULBERT (talk) 19:28, 12 September 2019 (UTC)Reply
@FULBERT: Thank you for the updates. Ref tag No. 4 was showing an error because you entered two dates, one under the ‹See TfM›|date= parameter and one under a ‹See TfM›|year= parameter, when the parser will only accept one or the other. I deleted the year parameter. Additionally, the references which contain ‹See TfM›|PMC= parameters are showing errors because you've included the prefix "PMC" with the number, when only the number is required. I will continue reviewing the text shortly. Thank you for your help! Regards,  Spintendo  21:02, 12 September 2019 (UTC)Reply
I really hope you can show me how you found some of those citation errors, as I did not see them or have any color-change or the like Spintendo. Whatever tool you use is one I really need to learn! Also, I realized as one would do on a regular article, the fixes I made above were done in place of the initial ones. It did not occur to me it may be helpful to have otherwise added those as an entire second set of clean copy. That would have made this Talk page very long, but it did not even occur to me at the time. Hope that was not a problem, though everything is certainly viewable in the history. Thanks again for your ongoing review. --- FULBERT (talk) 00:02, 13 September 2019 (UTC)Reply
What is the next part of the process for moving this into mainspace Spintendo, as I believe I made all the edits you suggested and have not received any other feedback or change requests? Thanks. --- FULBERT (talk) 06:42, 19 September 2019 (UTC)Reply
I'll make the approved changes and list anything which still requires clarification by the end of the day. Thank you for your patience, it's most appreciated! Regards,  Spintendo  21:00, 19 September 2019 (UTC)Reply

Proposal review and implementation 21-SEP-2019

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Below you will see where proposals from your request have been quoted with reviewer decisions and feedback inserted underneath, either accepting, declining or otherwise commenting upon your proposal(s). Please read the enclosed notes within the proposal review section below for information on each request.

Additional changes made:

  1. The {{Update}} maintenance template dated March 2017 was deleted.
  2. The {{NPOV}} template dated March 2017 was deleted.
  3. The {{Citations}} template dated March 2017 was deleted.
  4. The Criticism section was omitted, as its arguments where ephemeral[a] and not properly elaborated upon.
  5. The credentials listed after executive director Selby's name in the infobox were omitted, per MOS:DOCTOR.
  6. Grayson Norquist was added to the infobox as Chair of the Board of Governors.
  7. The amounts given out as funding were delineated in the infobox under the ‹See TfM›|disbursements= parameter, with totals both from 2018 and cumulative from 2010.
  8. The amount of revenue for 2018 was added to the infobox under the ‹See TfM›|revenue= parameter.

Regards,  Spintendo  23:53, 21 September 2019 (UTC)Reply

Spintendo, I appreciate the process you followed with this review and article edit and revision. I also find the extended notes and discussion about this that will remain here on the Talk page of great use for any future reference. Many thanks. FULBERT (talk) 05:19, 22 September 2019 (UTC)Reply

Notes

  1. The criticisms listed in this section were about PCORI when it was first initiated, and involved concerns about logistics of the funding of the organization and whether or not funds would be spent responsibly. Those concerns may have been due to a misunderstanding of the function of PCORI as an aggregator of information for the government, the insurance industry, and for health care workers and researchers who use that information to make informed decisions based on health care outcomes and health care costs, as well as its function as conduit for research funds based on analyses of data received from that intersection of health care outcomes and health care costs. Those initial concerns grew quieter over time when their fears didn't materialize. On top of that, the Criticisms section itself was not worded very well, and seemed argumentative in tone.

Request edit on 30 November 2022 Suggestion Comment Copyedit (minor) Reply

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  • What I think should be changed: The Chairperson of the Board of Governors has changed, and this should be updated in the Infobox. The current person in this role is Russell M. Howerton.
  • Why it should be changed: To keep the information current.
  • References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button): [1]

FULBERT (talk) 18:27, 30 November 2022 (UTC)Reply

References

  1. U. S. Government Accountability Office. "GAO Makes Appointments to PCORI Governing Board, New Chair and Vice Chair Named". www.gao.gov. U. S. Government Accountability Office. Retrieved 30 November 2022.
Thank you for updating this. --FULBERT (talk) 08:46, 26 January 2023 (UTC)Reply