Talk:Ottoman capture of Zeila

Original Research

This article is incorrect and it was still under Adalite and later Awsa Imamate rule. Replayerr (talk) 16:50, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

Why are you always on this specific persons post always trying to delete their articles despite them showing proof? Your a djiboutian who all you do is just upgrade issa history and downgrades somaliland history. I’m honestly starting to wonder if you have hidden sentiments agaisnt somaliland.. 2A00:23C6:3816:A901:716A:8ADD:A58C:9D7C (talk) 20:02, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

Please refer to Wikipedia:Assume good faith when in discussion with fellow Wikipedia editors instead of slandering them using 'hidden sentiments' against a foreign entity as an excuse. This article is poorly cited and factually wrong.

Zeila was under the Imamate of Awsa according to manuscripts found in Harar by Enrico Cerulli during that period. Garad Muhammed ibn Garad 'Isa was coronated as the Imam of Awsa in Zaila' in 1626 and it was known as a place were usurpers would rebel against the authority of the Imam.

Garad Lado', the governor of Zeila for the Adal Sultan Muhammed ibn Nasir, literally built the walls surrounding the town to prevent raids in 1572-1577. Replayerr (talk) 08:55, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

Yes Mohamed bin Nasir ruled Zeila until he’s death in the battle of the webi river by then the ottomans captured zeila 62.92.10.25 (talk) 03:57, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Garad Lado ruled it in 1577 which is way after 1557. Replayerr (talk) 11:24, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

your here too you have a serious issue I might have to report you Sha19999 (talk) 12:24, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Stop threatening fellow editors, I have spoke on this article since earlier this year and the accusation that I have a serious issue is offensive. Replayerr (talk) 23:18, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

then stop asking for deletion of somali related articles we never do it on Ethiopian articles Sha19999 (talk) 04:50, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

It's not a Somali-related article and I am not from Ethiopia. Replayerr (talk) 19:02, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

The Imamate of aussa was a Somali state, as is found in numerous contemporary records, that “it was among the territories of Abyssinia, and it’s people were called the Somal.” Samyatilius (talk) 08:10, 14 October 2025 (UTC)

What does that have to do in-regards to their rule of Zeila? Replayerr (talk) 23:44, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

I was responding to your point claiming that aussa and zeila “were not a somali related article”. Samyatilius (talk) 10:19, 16 October 2025 (UTC)

Anyways take a look at my other points Samyatilius (talk) 10:19, 16 October 2025 (UTC)

The imamate of aussa itself was under the authority of the ottomans, a notable instance is when the Qasimid ruler of yemen expelled the jews from his land to the “coasts of Abyssinia”, where he asked the ruler of aussa to take them in and extract jizya from them, the ruler answered that he could not because “the land belonged to the ottoman sultan”.

الاوضاع سياسية في اليمن في نصف ثاني من قرن الحادي عشر الهجري مع تحقيق بهجة الزمن في تاريخ اليمن للمؤرخ يحيى بن القاسم Samyatilius (talk) 08:08, 14 October 2025 (UTC)

Garad Muhammed ibn Garad 'Isa was not Issa, just to clarify to everyone and I agree with @Samyatilius previous statements HararAwal (talk) 10:42, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

Agreed, i believe this page should be reinstated Samyatilius (talk) 17:00, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

Consensus has been reached on a merger. It won’t be reinstated. Replayerr (talk) 00:19, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

‘Isa is a name in this instance. I don’t know how this relates to the article? Replayerr (talk) 00:19, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

The Ottoman Empire and the Imamate of Awsa recognised it as the Islamic caliphate. The Ottomans did not have direct influence over Awsa.

Using primary sources to forge a biased narrative is against guidelines. I’m not against the source being added to the Ottoman Zeila article though. Replayerr (talk) 00:18, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

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Zeila was under the Imamate of Awsa according to manuscripts found in Harar by Enrico Cerulli during that period. Garad Muhammed ibn Garad 'Isa was coronated as the Imam of Awsa in Zaila' in 1626 and it was known as a place were usurpers would rebel against the authority of the Imam. Garad Lado', the governor of Zeila for the Adal Sultan Muhammed ibn Nasir, built the walls surrounding the town to prevent raids in 1572-1577.

Replayerr (talk) 17:39, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

He died in webi river and ottomns ziela is well written article no delete keep Sha19999 (talk) 20:56, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

I will have it rewritten but the article states the capture happened in 1557 when this predates Garad Lado's rule. Replayerr (talk) 23:19, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Then rewrite this but dont delete Sha19999 (talk) 04:46, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

constantly asking to delete articles isn't the way to go infect I might have to report on the basis of your constant deletion just rewrite what you want and its alll good Sha19999 (talk) 05:23, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

the imamamate of awsa probably did take zeila for a short period but make a page on that instead of deleting this but its good that you rewrote it to ottoman capture am good with that Sha19999 (talk) 05:47, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Nominate this article for deletion. I would vote in favor of it. Socialwave597 (talk) 02:15, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

ethiopian man asking for deletions of a somali related article can not happen Sha19999 (talk) 04:53, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

As I said before, assume good faith of other Wikipedia editors. Replayerr (talk) 12:31, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

You can nominate it for deletion if you think it's considered appropriate now. I have things to deal with right now. Replayerr (talk) 14:13, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

You cant assume good faith and encourage deletion of historical sources with a biased editor i will file a report Sha19999 (talk) 17:31, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Insulting us is not the Wikipedian way, my friend. You need to refrain doing this. Replayerr (talk) 19:01, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

@Replayerr lets be reasonable i dont want history deleted when did the Ottomans capture ziela maybe they did but the imamate of awsa took controll later write a pge for it but dont delete I don't push povs am a east african historical editor Sha19999 (talk) 17:35, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

There is no need to make a page specifically on Awsa rule. There is clear conflict with sources regarding who ruled what. As @Socialwave597 has mentioned, nominating this article deleting this article. Replayerr (talk) 19:00, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

It shouldnt be deleted cause its history you can just say awsa slowley captured it becouse thats what happend am a historian deleting history isnt the way to go Sha19999 (talk) 19:11, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Make the awsa capture of zeila i would love reading it Sha19999 (talk) 19:12, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Sorry i mean create a page for it and then combine or continue the story with awsa and ziela history Sha19999 (talk) 19:13, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

The page will need to be moved/deleted and the infobox removed with both combined. Replayerr (talk) 00:32, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

How about combine like i did with qasimi Yemeni sultanate in ottoman zeila

Or just add imamate of awsa on to this page but dont delete however way you go about it Sha19999 (talk) 02:13, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Imamate of awsa started in 1577 so it comes after this event i suggest you add it to this page Sha19999 (talk) 02:24, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Does that refute the fact Garad Lado' ruled it between 1572-1577 after 1557? Replayerr (talk) 10:53, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

No it doesnt just write it in the article or write a page on Garad Lado

Besides this is 1559 Ottoman capture Garad ladu is 1577 brother Sha19999 (talk) 10:56, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Just rewrite the page and help out in the history section i need your help with something as well qasimid awsa connection Sha19999 (talk) 10:57, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

I will be supporting the deletion of the article Replayerr (talk) 10:33, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Good for you

You seem unreasonable as ive tried to reason with you you have the dates wrong and reject ottoman habesh which is a historicaly accurate i agree zeila at times changed hands but was mostly ottoman for a long time Sha19999 (talk) 12:03, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

I have shared sources from different accounts, you shared a single fringe source. Replayerr (talk) 22:29, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

No don't delete. Bigblrdd666 (talk) 13:13, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Using sockpuppets and organising such responses outside of Wikipedia is not only disingenuous but against the rules. Replayerr (talk) 22:28, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Did you forget what you said to me assume good faith of other Wikipedia editors.

Making false accusations is against the rules

Am not here to argue with grown men you asked for sources i gave you them and then you callled them fringe what do you want from me

Goodbye Sha19999 (talk) 05:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

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