Talk:Orient

"Use in British English": inaccurate (or confusingly worded)

"In British English, the term Oriental refers to people from East and Southeast Asia. On the other hand, the word "Asian" refers to people from Indian Subcontinent. Therefore, Orientals is the only term which can refer to people of East Asian origin."

• I would say that Oriental usually refers to people from East and Southeast Asia, especially in "modern" use, but it is also sometimes used to mean "Asian" more generally (especially in older but extant excamples).
• "Asian" when used to refer to people (as in "Asians") is most often used to refer to people from the Subcontinent for the simple reason that most Asian-origin people in the UK are from there. But that doesn't mean that people from other parts of Asia can't be described as Asian or Asians (anecdotally, I know several people of Chinese origin who refer to themselves as such). (Just to make things even more inconsistent, an "Asian restaurant" generally means on serving food from East/Southeast countries. One serving food from the Subcontinent would normally be refered to as "Indian" - even if it was Pakistani or Bangladeshi).
• The last sentance is ambiguous (and wrong in all interpretations I can see). As written, its wrong, because "Asian" can refer to East Asians. I think it is trying to say that "Oriental" is the only term than can unambiguously be used for East Asians, but that is still not true as a) "East Asian"/"East Asians" can also be used, and "Oriental" isn't necessarily unambiguous.

Iapetus (talk) 15:57, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

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Central Asia....

...is clearly Orient. It's even more orientalic than some countries of Far East, especially the culture of Uzbekistan is like a totally synonym for Orient, than there is Iran...but also Kazakhstan and other countries. This article needs much more perspectives --92.196.44.182 (talk) 16:44, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

A question for German speakers

I studied German in college and one thing I learned is that the German word for "Austria" is "Österreich". I think this would literally translate as "Eastern Kingdom." Similarly, "Öst" means "East," so it seems to me that there is a likely connection in German due to Austria's easterly(ish) position from (southern) Germany. Finally, the German word for "Easter" is "Öster." Since Easter is a holiday highlighting a kind of rising, not of the sun, but of a person, the fact that "East" is part of the word for "Easter" in German and also a part of the German word for "Austria" leads me to think there is likely a connection between the three terms for "East," "Eastern Kingdom," and "East ... er." (I don't know what the "er" suffix, used in both German and English, indicates. I doubt that it is there because the German word for "he" is "er.")

Since I'm just a database programmer who got a minor in German, I don't have the fluency needed to sort this out, not even with automated translation tools because of the errors and lost nuance that they can cause.

So, native and other fluent German speakers, what do you think about this idea? Should it be considered for inclusion in the etymology section or am I wrong about these ideas? Thanks.

A country's name IN Europe is IRRELEVANT in this context of a region outside and east of Europe. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 09:22, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Max

Mma 120.29.117.198 (talk) 05:08, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Oriental is a slur in English

I tried to change this multiple times but oriental is highly derogatory in all forms of English especially in British English.

Yes it is used by small businesses who are unaware of the context but it is also used by the wider population in a unpolitically correct and racist way. A lot of East Asians have been called this in a derogatory way so it is a shame that this page has a pro-oriental sentiment and kinda fuels racism and misinformation.

Many people use Wikipedia to educate themselves on racism and when something like this is incorrect it has real world consequences.

Please could this be changed, the Asian community would really appreciate it.

https://newseu.cgtn.com/news/2023-03-22/-Oriental-Is-it-racist--1imahiJ8u0U/index.html Bigbotnot2 (talk) 15:51, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

In case that one link isn’t sufficient I have attached extra:

https://www.weareresonate.com/2016/07/oriental-racist-term/

https://www.jstor.org/stable/26749972

Reality star Dorothy Wang: Don't call me oriental https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-40714775 Bigbotnot2 (talk) 16:36, 14 June 2024 (UTC)