Talk:Neil Young/Archive 4

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Unplugged

Um, why is Unplugged not listed in the Discography? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thoughtcat (talk • contribs) 14:40, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

The discography is the article is only his main albums, and does not include live albums - see Neil_Young_discography_and_filmography#Live_albums -- Beardo (talk) 21:09, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Associated acts

This section seems to be out of control, for instance, how is Young associated with Elton John ? See Template:Infobox musical artist#associated acts - FlightTime (open channel) 03:38, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Fix formatting error at end of article

"Juno awards" section has awards and nominated song/person switched - a simple fix but I don't want to create a Wikipedia account just to fix it lol :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:601:9C00:3AD0:D29:6704:979E:171B (talk) 06:27, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Portal:Neil Young for deletion

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Harmonica

Harmonica is absent from the infobox. Not sure why a consensus needs to be reached. You can check this video for proof that he plays harmonica. For having to start a discussion on this because apparently that's what is supposed to happen, nobody will respond. So I am going to add it. Mr. C.C.^{Hey yo!}_{I didn't do it!} 05:34, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Waging Heavy Peace--

Had a copy land in my lap the other day and being a fan since the Springfield days I began to read. I couldn't help noticing that Mr Young had been having trouble writing new music since his new found sobriety. Neil go back and check out several paragraphs on pages 443-444-445. But what do I know I'm just an old hippie surfer — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.246.96.243 (talk) 14:42, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Can we get a more flattering lede picture?

I get that our goal isn't to make Neil Young look pretty, but you have to admit, that's not a flattering lede picture. Not only is it out of focus, he kind of looks like he's falling asleep. If there weren't any other pictures then obviously there is nothing we can do about it, but there are other pictures, like a lot. I'd change it, but I've never edited this article, and I don't want to change the lede picture without a discussion. Famous Hobo (talk) 22:21, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Go ahead and be bold. KitHutch (talk) 01:01, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Canadian-American unnecessary

Let’s do the same procedure wiki does with so many other Canadian dual citizens such as Alanis Morissette, Celine Dion, Michael Bublé, Drake, Justin Bieber, Ryan Gosling, Ryan Reynolds, Barry Pepper, and Paul Anka the country that they were born grew up in would be in the lead, This is also the reason why American dual citizens such as Scarlett Johanson and Kirsten Dunst just have American in their respective leads. If this was a case like Anna Paquin who grew up in two countries than you can put the two citizenship in the lead but it isn’t that. Neil Young was born and grew up in Canada so only Canadian belongs in his lead if American was put in this would be a double standard and cause confusion to readers why people like Drake has just Canadian in his lead when Drake was an American from birth through his farther but Neil Young who only recently became a American has American in his lead let’s at least try and bring some sort of consistency to wiki articles. Black roses124 (talk) 16:27, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

@Black roses124: I've started a Request for Comment (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Neil_Young#Request_for_comment)-- FMSky (talk) 16:44, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for starting the RfC. Young's citizenship has been the subject of quite a bit of misunderstanding at this article, which probably reflects misunderstanding in the real world. I think Canadian-American belongs in the lead as it's mentioned in the article. I don't think this would lead to any any " double standard" or necessarily cause any "confusion" to readers comparing this with other articles. I agree that consistency is a good idea, but there may be a similar case for one or more of the others to change. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:57, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Request for comment

The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Consensus was reached for "Canadian-American". FMSky (talk) 20:20, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

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Should the lead sentence say "Canadian" or "Canadian-American"? FMSky (talk) 16:43, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

• Canadian-American, as that's a simple fact and it's mentioned quite a few times in the article lead and main body. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:59, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
• Not simply Canadian, (Summoned by bot) either Canadian-American - which is simplest, but incomplete or Canadian-born, Canadian-American dual citizen, or some vartiation thereof, which is fairly complete. In Young's case, his Canadian heritage/upbringing is relevant, but his having adopted US citizenship (for practical reasons one presumes) is simply factually accurate. Can someone confirm that he still holds both citizenships as I understood this was not always possible? Pincrete (talk) 06:05, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
• Canadian-American is most appropriate, although I would also accept Canadian-American dual citizen, as that is what the most recent reliable sources seem to identify him as. The other names mentioned in the talk section above seem to be primarily known for being Canadian, and despite having acquired dual citizenship, are still mostly known as being Canadian. Neil Young was pretty outspoken about wanting to have dual citizenship and has multiple reliable sources about it. I do not feel that this is a double standard, but rather applying the rule of what the sources state. Fieari (talk) 00:41, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
• Canadian-American makes sense, or some variation of that. I don't know a lot about the guidelines, but it makes sense given that beyond having citizenship in America, he has devoted himself to living in America and associating himself with America for most of his life, so it makes sense noting the duality more than someone from Canada who got dual-citizenship but who still lives in Canada/abroad. SweetTaylorJames (talk) 00:48, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
• Canadian-American - Some older sources identify him simply as Canadian, but I'm willing to bet that in the light of his dual-citizenship announcement that is going to change and Canadian-American will become the default. PraiseVivec (talk) 13:59, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
• Canadian-American He has American and Canadian citizenship.Tepkunset (talk) 14:26, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

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Forbes article on Young's use of GMO insulin

I recently added the following content:

Forbes accused Young of hypocrisy because he uses insulin which is made with GMOs.

User:Dumuzid removed the content, and commented, "strikes me as a non-notable opinion, with the typical modern Forbes issues."

What do others here think?

And by the way, I'd also like to point out this article from the Guardian, which is called, "Block on GM rice ‘has cost millions of lives and led to child blindness’"

I think this makes Young's hypocrisy highly notable.

But I also want to see what others here think of whether or not this should be included in the article.

Baxter329 (talk) 17:04, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi Baxter329, and thanks for coming here instead of edit warring. When I say "not notable," I mean in the Wikipedia sense. Forbes, in its current incarnation, is a bit of a hodgepodge; things said in it are not automatically as notable as they might be in the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, etc. I think this sort of opinion IS getting some traction in more notable places, and I will of course bow to consensus whatever it may be! Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 17:36, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

It's a Forbes Contributor, not Forbes staff. Forbes Contributors are unreliable and generally should not be used per WP:FORBESCON. Hemiauchenia (talk) 02:54, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

What Hemiauchenia said - it's a contributor, we treat this more or less like a random blog. Trying to link the Guardian article to this issue would be WP:SYNTH. This is not how we compose BLPs. Girth Summit _(blether) 20:41, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Polio

Here is an explanation (by a doctor with polio herself) of how the song "Helpless" refers to Neil Young's polio http://nonprofits.accesscomm.ca/polio/Neil%20Young.html Also discussed on TWiV, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKruriG1qVQ?t=2842 --Nbauman (talk) 22:02, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

POV, political views...

Taking a look at this article, it looks like his political views are mostly covered in the "Activism, Philanthropy and as a Humanitarian" section, which only covers stuff he's said and done post-2000. Conspicuously absent is any coverage of the statements he made in the 1980s, which ranged from very right wing to blatantly homophobic. As detailed in the Guardian:

"Politically-speaking, its hard to exorcise the ghost of his 1980s pronouncements, when he swung hard-right behind the Reagan presidency and lashed out at gays ("you go to the supermarket and you see a f**got behind the f***ing cash register, you don't want him to handle your potatoes") and welfare spongers. "Stop being supported by the government and get out and work," Neil advised. "You have to make the weak stand up on one leg, or half a leg, whatever they've got."" (Note: The original guardian article didn't censor either of these F-words, but I had to put *** in the middle of them, for them not to be blocked by the filter.)

I'm not sure if there's been an intentional effort to santize his image here, but one could certainly get that impression based on these omissions.

I would recommend having a "Political Views" section, which would be more all-encompassing, and to keep this separate from "Philanthropy and as a Humanitarian" as to be more neutral in tone. -2003:A:502:E400:614B:80F6:BB4D:8DFE (talk) 12:36, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Those comments should definitely be included in the article. Popcornfud (talk) 13:27, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

 Done Now added. A "Political views" section would definitely be a good thing, BTW. Popcornfud (talk) 12:07, 8 February 2022 (UTC)