Talk:Naharayim

Merge from Tel Or

In common usage the terms "Naharayim" and "Tel Or" describe the same area, presumably because the definitions proposed by the PEC were just too subtle. This can been seen from multiple sources, most notably the official Survey of Palestine where the map states "Naharayim (Tel Or)". Other maps and documents mix the names up in various different combinations. And our article Tel Or is currently primarily describing the labour camp, which per the PEC was actually named Naharayim. Onceinawhile (talk) 10:48, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

I support such a merge for the stated reasons. Zero^talk 10:54, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Support --Shrike (talk) 11:07, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

I have implemented this. Onceinawhile (talk) 07:49, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Baqoura maps

"Barbura"

"Bargura"

See two 100-year-old German maps here showing Baqoura. Onceinawhile (talk) 21:08, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 August 2021

Please change "6,000 dunams" and "820 dunams" to "6,000 dunams (600 ha)" and "820 dunams (82 ha)" Arado Ar 196 (talk) 16:52, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

 Done —Sirdog9002 (talk) 20:23, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Russian-born or Ukrainian-born?

Pinhas Rutenberg was born in Ukrainian part of Russian Empire, not in Russian part of Russian Empire. In same way as Mahatma Gandhi is mentioned in Wikipedia as Indian, not as British. Eliezer050 (talk) 11:05, 26 April 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eliezer050 (talk • contribs) 18:28, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Wrong comparison. Ghandi was ethnically Indian, and culturally, socially and politically attached to the Indian independence cause. Rutenberg was ethnically Jewish and saw himself as part of the Russian nation, as he joined Kerensky in Petrograd in July 1917 and later moved to Moskow, never participating in any Ukrainian attempt at independence.

This is yet another case of wrongly retroprojecting today's concepts, in other words an anachronism. We see such misunderstandings in every case of "national struggle", be it Zionist, Palestinian, Ukrainian, Russian or whichever cause you wish to pick, with no exception anywhere. Arminden (talk) 09:15, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

Location

"... the plant ... stretched from the northern canal near Kibbutz Ashdot Ya'akov..."

Meaning where? The plant was built between 1927–33, while Ashdot Ya'akov was "originally founded in 1924 ... on the land which is today Gesher, [and] moved to its current location between 1933 and 1935". Relating 1927–33 events to a "moving target" is confusing and probably a piece if OR which contains an anachronism. If my assumption is correct, then this can be fixed by adding a few words: "... the plant ... stretched from the northern canal near what would soon become Kibbutz Ashdot Ya'akov..." or " what is today Kibbutz Ashdot Ya'akov Ihud...". Arminden (talk) 08:54, 15 January 2025 (UTC)